Tennessee legislature passes permitless handgun carry bill

[Belk]

The site is hanging...server might need to be rebooted?

Must be the Microsoft Azure outage.

 

[BNR32FAN]

How many were there 5 years ago? 10 years ago?

I don’t know. I’m sure you could find something on the internet.

 

[Nithavela]

??? Who said only law abiding people owned guns??

If you can produce some type of magic wand and abbra caddabra only law abiding people would have guns, the death rate would drop exponentially. Not just in the US but anywhere.

Maybe for a week or two. Then the lawless would have reobtained their weapons.

 

[Kentonio]

Well, I have a crazy neighbor that once threatened me with a gun. I'm fairly sure he was banned from having firearms then, but I'm sure he is now, as he is now certified as crazy. Shortly after that incident, he was incarcerated for among other things, threatening others with a gun. I had a gun on my hip at the time, BTW and was totally calm, or things could have gone differently. Do I think he gives a flying fig about gun laws? Do I think he doesn't have guns stashed somewhere? No, I'm guessing he does... and I'm quite sure he doesn't care about gun laws, and if he threatens me, or one of my friends. I would prefer it to be when I have the option of protecting myself. Not because I ever want to have to harm anyone, but because some people just don't care about anything but themselves and are not always rational.

If hes crazy then he should be receiving psychiatric help. When I talk about gun controls I'm not suggesting its going to solve all your problems. If anything the devastation of your mental health services is a much more immediate problem, and one that could be fixed more easily.

 

[FenderTL5]

If I am hiding the fact I own a weapon, because it is illegal for me to possess it - how do you get it from me?

If this were the case, then you would not be a law abiding citizen.

 

[hislegacy]

If this were the case, then you would not be a law abiding citizen.

absolutely correct. How do you get it?

 

[hislegacy]

In real life it looks like A generational sea shift. It obviously can't happen overnight.

Social Morays and norms change over time... the tide is already headed that direction, changes implemented today would be designed to have far reaching effects, not overnight ones, though a gun buyback, trade your gun for an electric vehicle, could work rather quickly to get a lot of them off the street, we could do nothing , and simply the general growing public disgust with your ammo-sexual lifestyle will continue to have generational shaming effect, as it already plainly has..plenty of kids today have eschewed their parents disgusting ammosexual behavior in favor of a different, less frightened, less fretful, less “us vs them”, path, and have embraced a more inclusive, more Christ like path.
Of course this was all prophesied to happen.
The victory of the Peace of Christ and His gospel in the Christian age cannot be stopped. (Ephesians 3:21, Isaiah 9:7, Hebrews 11:6,32-33, Matthew 16:18-19, Revelation 14:6)

Guns are irrelevant and inconsequential to this prophesied victory.



I probably don't get it from you directly, but I first try with financial incentives, and if that doesn't work, I extend those incentives to your progeny and as a society I simply wait you out... you eventually tip over and your kid, grandkid or whatever eventually trades the gun in for an xbox or a Tesla...

All the while I'm waiting you out because I'm society thats gonna keep chugging along after you and your kids, and grandkids, and great grandkinds, and so on, are dead and buried, I'll implement socio/economic policies that reflect the peace and love of Christ, and the unbridled love God Has for this world (John 3:16), that lift up the impoverished, and directly benefit the poor. I'll legalize all drugs and work to eliminate the motivation for a baby born today to grow up in need or in fear so much that they are wanting to do harm to another human just to get something they don't already have or are addicted to... and with that motivation gone, the fear of needing "protection" from those people who now are as rare as a 3 sided penny, vanishes as well....
Time is no object.
That's How.

How do you, Guy who is desperately clinging to his gun today, Stop that societal sea change from happening in the next couple generations???

Why would you want to, even if you could? (BTW, You can't)

ah, wow, just wow. Good luck with that.

 

[Speedwell]

absolutely correct. How do you get it?

Sooner or later you're going to commit a crime with it. Otherwise, if you keep it so secret that nobody ever knows you have it, it's as good as confiscated anyway.

 

[hislegacy]

Sooner or later you're going to commit a crime with it. Otherwise, if you keep it so secret that nobody ever knows you have it, it's as good as confiscated anyway.

Disagree.

example: I have a weapon in my home, as millions of people do, and the Government does not have record of it.

One of my children gifted it to me, I got it from my dad, I legally purchased it at a gun show, etc etc. There are tens if not hundreds of millions of guns like that.

In the 60 some od years I have been living, I have never committed a crime and I have not used it other than self defense and target shooting. It is my right.

I’m not interested in selling it, I don’t want an electric car or anything else in exchange.

Beyond forcefully coming into my home and confiscating them after changing my rights.

What will you do the the millions of legal gun owners who do not want to surrender their guns?

 

[Speedwell]

Disagree.

example: I have a weapon in my home, as millions of people do, and the Government does not have record of it.

One of my children gifted it to me, I got it from my dad, I legally purchased it at a gun show, etc etc. There are tens if not hundreds of millions of guns like that.

In the 60 some od years I have been living, I have never committed a crime and I have not used it other than self defense and target shooting. It is my right.

I’m not interested in selling it, I don’t want an electric car or anything else in exchange.

Beyond forcefully coming into my home and confiscating them after changing my rights.

What will you do the the millions of legal gun owners who do not want to surrender their guns?

I have no idea. I have no idea of confiscating guns, except from those who are shown to own them illegally (whatever that turns out to be).

 

[FenderTL5]

absolutely correct.

Okay, in that scenario that makes possession illegal and you in violation of the law(s). That would have to be discovered or disclosed.
Just as it is with any criminal possessing a gun illegally right now, today, with no changes to any current law.

..I have not used it other than self defense and target shooting.. Beyond forcefully coming into my home and confiscating them..

Likely one of these public scenarios would have to take place, the illegal weapon discovered and confiscated in the public arena.
Whether or not someone would come to your home would likely depend on how big of a public scene was made in the discovery/disclosure of the illegal weapon.
Other than that, it would be as quoted below:

Otherwise, if you keep it so secret that nobody ever knows you have it, it's as good as confiscated anyway.

 

[hislegacy]

Okay, in that scenario that makes possession illegal and you in violation of the law(s). That would have to be discovered or disclosed.
Just as it is with any criminal possessing a gun illegally right now, today, with no changes to any current law.
Likely one of these public scenarios would have to take place, the illegal weapon discovered and confiscated in the public arena.
Whether or not someone would come to your home would likely depend on how big of a public scene was made in the discovery/disclosure of the illegal weapon.
Other than that, it would be as quoted below:

Interesting POV - we are polar opposites, but good to understand how you think. Thank you.

 

[FenderTL5]

Interesting POV - we are polar opposites, but good to understand how you think. Thank you.

I don't know what you mean by opposites.

I basically described the current scenario.
If you were (as you described), "hiding the fact I own a weapon, because it is illegal for me to possess it"
It would be no different than what happens today. (hypothetically) Suppose an ex-convict, who is prohibited from having a gun, were to obtain a fully automatic weapon (also illegal).
This individual would keep it indefinitely as long as they were discreet, that is unless it were to be disclosed to authorities or discovered by the authorities.

if on the other hand, you had a weapon that was illegal for you to posses and you took it out to the gun range every Saturday - the odds it would be discovered are increased. That would increase even more if it were used in the shooting of another person, under almost any circumstances.

 

[hislegacy]

I don't know what you mean by opposites.

I basically described the current scenario.
If you were (as you described), "hiding the fact I own a weapon, because it is illegal for me to possess it"
It would be no different than what happens today. (hypothetically) Suppose an ex-convict, who is prohibited from having a gun, were to obtain a fully automatic weapon (also illegal).
This individual would keep it indefinitely as long as they were discreet, that is unless it were to be disclosed to authorities or discovered by the authorities.

if on the other hand, you had a weapon that was illegal for you to posses and you took it out to the gun range every Saturday - the odds it would be discovered are increased. That would increase even more if it were used in the shooting of another person, under almost any circumstances.

Understood - thank you.

I don't feel there should be additional regulation because our current laws are not effective in the least. I am for mandatory sentencing and zero tolerance for breaking current laws.

Your stance with fully automatics is superfluous IMHO.

We just have different views. Thank you for sharing yours.

 

[parousia70]

Disagree.

example: I have a weapon in my home.....
I’m not interested in selling it, I don’t want an electric car or anything else in exchange.

But you kid, or grandkid or greatgrandkid might, even years after you are stone cold dead, and you won’t be around to stop them.

Like I said, We’ll just wait you out.
You can go to your grave clinging in fret to your gun. I have no problem with that.
It will eventually get turned into a Caribbean cruise by one of your more peaceful, entrepreneurial descendants.

 

[hislegacy]

But you kid, or grandkid or greatgrandkid might, even years after you are stone cold dead, and you won’t be around to stop them.

Like I said, We’ll just wait you out.
You can go to your grave clinging in fret to your gun. I have no problem with that.
It will eventually get turned into a Caribbean cruise by one of your more peaceful, entrepreneurial descendants.

Don't hold your breath too long - my sons have more weapons than I and one started his children in firearms training at 7 -

As for being stone cold dead - I'll wait for you in heaven and try to be one of the first to hug your neck and celebrate your salvation and entrance into our Fathers presence forever.

 

[parousia70]

Don't hold your breath too long - my sons have more weapons than I and one started his children in firearms training at 7

Yes, people who practice the ammosexual lifestyle tend to push it on their kids at a very young age, as they’re much easier to indoctrinate at 7 than they are at 17, or 27....

Though it remains as I said, If not your kids, or their kids, then it’ll be your great gand kids or the generation or two or three after that, that will make the conscious break from the grip that ammosexuality seems to have on your family presently... time is no object. Swords will continue to be beat into plowshares... 1000 years are but a day... The fulfillment of Prophesy can’t be prevented by the actions of us mere mortals over a 100 year blip. However, you DO have the opportunity to choose which side of that “swords into plowshares” prophetic transformation you wish to be counted as having lived your life on.

And You have made your choice to be counted on the “swords” side, perfectly clear.

Meanwhile, I will continue to celebrate the 100% inevitability that, at some point, some (or even all) of your descendants will choose to live their lives on the “plowshares” side, as such an outcome is unavoidable.

You do understand there is absolutely nothing you can do to prevent this, as it is a foregone conclusion, right?

As for being stone cold dead - I'll wait for you in heaven and try to be one of the first to hug your neck and celebrate your salvation and entrance into our Fathers presence forever.

Amen to that! I’ll take that hug and squeeze you back harder!

 

[renniks]

If hes crazy then he should be receiving psychiatric help. When I talk about gun controls I'm not suggesting its going to solve all your problems. If anything the devastation of your mental health services is a much more immediate problem, and one that could be fixed more easily.

Why would I want my guns taken? Is that gonna make me safer?
Maybe more unhealthy because I have to eat store-bought meat?

 

[renniks]

But you kid, or grandkid or greatgrandkid might, even years after you are stone cold dead, and you won’t be around to stop them.

Like I said, We’ll just wait you out.
You can go to your grave clinging in fret to your gun. I have no problem with that.
It will eventually get turned into a Caribbean cruise by one of your more peaceful, entrepreneurial descendants.

Peace isn't gonna happen until the new earth, unfortunately.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Iowa just did something similar.

Gov. Kim Reynolds signed a bill Friday that will make handgun carry permits and background checks on unlicensed sales optional in Iowa.

As of July 1, people can buy handguns from private non-licensed sources such as websites, gun shows and individuals without a permit or background check. People also will be able to carry a gun into public places such as grocery stores and malls without prior safety training or a permit.