Trump defends the storming of the Capitol: 'They were zero threat'

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Donald Trump has defended some of his supporters who rioted at the US Capitol on 6 January, saying they posed “zero threat” to the lawmakers who had assembled there to certify the electoral college vote that confirmed Joe Biden’s election victory.
That's probably correct. Some who were there apparently did nothing but instead left when told to do so by the guards.

The "who rioted at the US Capitol" part is taken from the Seattle Times' and/or the Associated Press, but was not part of Trump's own statement.

What he said was this:.
Some of them went in and they’re, they’re hugging and kissing the police and the guards. You know, they had great relationships. A lot of the people were waved in and then they walked in and they walked out.”
 
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The Guardian piece is well written and does not incorrectly portray Trump as defending the storming of the capitol. The OP Headline however is clearly incorrectly doing that . It does not represent what the article actually says.

Trump's claim is that the rioters in Washington are being targeted and treated differently by the authorities than other rioters have been and that they (or perhaps only some of them. This is unclear) posed no real threat the Legislators. He is not quoted as defending the riots. One may dispute his claim but proclaiming that he is saying something entirely different is not factual.

The following subhead below in the article is in direct contradiction of the idea that Trump is defending the "storming of the capitol. ".


"Former president says rioters ‘shouldn’t have done it’" .



I will include the definition of "some" for those that seem confused in thinking that it means the same as "all"

PRONOUN
  1. an unspecified number or amount of people or things.
    "here are some of our suggestions" ·
    [more]
  2. at least a small amount or number of people or things.

He whitewashed what they did and lied about the threat they posed. While he didn't say that it was all okay, his comments were still a defense of their actions.

At this point, it's pretty clear that the Trump wing of the Republican party is little more than an abusive, manipulative cult.
 
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He whitewashed what they did and lied about the threat they posed. While he didn't say that it was all okay, his comments were still a defense of their actions.

But of course...it wasn't. As has already been explained and proven.
 
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At least we’re now in agreement these were definitely Trump supporters that breached the Capitol. I consider that progress from 2 months ago. Now if only Trump would grow up and take some credit for the insurrection he caused we can all move on from this episode.
 
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Kevin Greeson - died of a heart attack outside the Capitol building during the riot. He had a history of high blood pressure. His wife said he was not there to participate in violence.
I think that's the guy who tasered his genitals while trying to steal a painting. His taser.

But sure, not to participate in violence. Just came with a taser in case he needed to....tase his genitals I guess. I've never stolen a painting from the Capitol and I don't know what procedures it entails.
 
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I think that's the guy who tasered his genitals while trying to steal a painting. His taser.

But sure, not to participate in violence. Just came with a taser in case he needed to....tase his genitals I guess. I've never stolen a painting from the Capitol and I don't know what procedures it entails.
That's hilarious. Sounds like a good candidate for the Darwin award; but Greeson died outside the building. Perhaps one could make the case that the general turmoil prevented his getting medical help fast enough.
 
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there were zero threats to the lawmaker
You should check on that. Regardless of what Trump said, there was threat in actual reality, and even though Trump didn't say to 'hang Mike Pence ' or such, some were chanting that, and some searched for Pence.
 
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How many of those 5 deaths were the lawmakers that Trump made clear were the ones not threatened?

I see we are still twisting Trumps words.
Sorry? To be clear, the death threats against law makers were NOT threats? And Trumps words are getting twisted in what way?

Of course it does, there were zero threats to the lawmakers, you know, the ones that were thrown out of the equation from the get go here in order to create an illusion.

And did you all verify those deaths and exactly what caused them?[/QUOTE]
 
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You should check on that. Regardless of what Trump said, there was threat in actual reality, and even though Trump didn't say to 'hang Mike Pence ' or such, some were chanting that, and some searched for Pence.
I tend to agree. Threat is in the perception of the person being threatened. So if AOC says she felt threatened even if she wasn't in the Capitol building at that time, I believe her. But I think the issue is that they were not threatened by Trump; but by the rioters. So you can only blame Trump if you can prove that he directly incited the riot. Most of the current investigation is about individuals who were there and threatening in actuality and trying to determine motive and coordination. I am not sure if there has been a serious attempt to show a direct line from Trump to any of the individual rioters. I don't count the impeachment as anything but political theater.
 
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At least we’re now in agreement these were definitely Trump supporters that breached the Capitol. I consider that progress from 2 months ago. Now if only Trump would grow up and take some credit for the insurrection he caused we can all move on from this episode.
Technically I tihnk you're twisting his words Goldenboy. Did he clearly indicate it was his supporters? I didn't get that impression....
 
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I tend to agree. Threat is in the perception of the person being threatened. So if AOC says she felt threatened even if she wasn't in the Capitol building at that time, I believe her. But I think the issue is that they were not threatened by Trump; but by the rioters. So you can only blame Trump if you can prove that he directly incited the riot. Most of the current investigation is about individuals who were there and threatening in actuality and trying to determine motive and coordination. I am not sure if there has been a serious attempt to show a direct line from Trump to any of the individual rioters. I don't count the impeachment as anything but political theater.
Yes, apparently many arrested rioters -- now to be defendants in court cases -- are specifically saying they were doing what they believed Trump wanted them to do, as a main part of their legal defense in court.
 
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Yes, apparently many arrested rioters -- now to be defendants in court cases -- are specifically saying they were doing what they believed Trump wanted them to do, as a main part of their legal defense in court.
Yeah, you might call that the "God told me to do this" defense. Unfortunately, you could pull stuff out of the Bible to try to prove this; but there is a lot more in there that tends to say you shouldn't commit acts of violence. Ultimately you either have to say the person is insane for believing this or show direct proof that God did actually speak to them and told them unequivocally to do this. Even then, that only lessens culpability.
 
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