Opinion poll: Is it acceptable behavior to mock Biden’s stutter?

Is it ok to mock Biden’s stutter

  • I am a Democrat: yes

  • I am a Democrat: no

  • I am a Republican: yes

  • I am a Republican: no

  • I am other than Republican/Democrat: Yes

  • I am other than Republican/Democrat: no


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Come to think of it, W. Bush was given a lot of grief for his clumsy speaking.
Yes, and Trump for his short ungrammatical sentences that show no evidence of education. Biden has always been gaffe-prone and will not stop now.

But only someone like Trump would make fun of a person's disability, in this case stutter, and even try to overturn the government.
 
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I hardly see how that makes a difference, and Biden does not have a speech impediment other than being senile, ...
Search you heart, brother.

My mom often said that those who point a finger ... have THREE fingers pointing back at them ...
 
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I don't remember any comedian making fun of someone's disability.
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Televison reality actor mocking a person with a physical disability.
 
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Why is it any different than mocking Trump for being the way he is? Unless we're to think we have the free will to control the way our neurons function, rather than the other way around.

One can chose what one says. And this cuts to something important. If Trump is competent in the sense of being able to handle his own affairs, then he's responsible for his behaviors. If, as some evidence indicates, he's becoming senile, maybe he's not responsible for some of his behaviors.
 
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IS this, in fact, a real issue? How often does someone make fun of Biden's alleged stutter? Not very often.

However, people who are forced to scramble in order to find a way to excuse Biden's gaffes, forgetfulness, mumbling, downright lies and misstatements, etc. are the ones mainly talking about his having had a stutter. It's about the only alibi that is available to them.
 
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IS this, in fact, a real issue? How often does someone make fun of Biden's alleged stutter? Not very often.
I agree. Why did the OP start the thread?

Why do you have a hard time admitting that Biden does stutter?
 
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However, people who are forced to scramble in order to find a way to excuse Biden's gaffes, forgetfulness, mumbling, downright lies and misstatements, etc.

I always wonder, when Trump supporters trot out that story, how they explain Biden mopping the floor with Trump in a series of debates.

Seem like they can't decide whether Biden is dumb or fiendishly clever.

At least, you'd think they'd avoid playing both stories the same day.
 
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One can chose what one says. And this cuts to something important. If Trump is competent in the sense of being able to handle his own affairs, then he's responsible for his behaviors. If, as some evidence indicates, he's becoming senile, maybe he's not responsible for some of his behaviors.

Are you sure..?

"Philosophers have long debated whether, if determinism is true, we should hold people morally responsible for their actions since in a deterministic universe, people are arguably not the ultimate source of their actions nor could they have done otherwise if initial conditions and the laws of nature are held fixed."
For Whom Does Determinism Undermine Moral Responsibility? Surveying the Conditions for Free Will Across Cultures
 
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IS this, in fact, a real issue? How often does someone make fun of Biden's alleged stutter? Not very often.

However, people who are forced to scramble in order to find a way to excuse Biden's gaffes, forgetfulness, mumbling, downright lies and misstatements, etc. are the ones mainly talking about his having had a stutter. It's about the only alibi that is available to them.
Compared to Trump (which is fair) ... Biden is a saint ...
 
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"Philosophers have long debated whether, if determinism is true, we should hold people morally responsible for their actions since in a deterministic universe, people are arguably not the ultimate source of their actions nor could they have done otherwise if initial conditions and the laws of nature are held fixed."

If absolute determinism is true, no one is responsible for anything. We're all robots, convinced we actually have motives and feelings, and can decide things. However, punishment certainly does reduce behaviors we find unacceptable. So from a deterministic POV, it's sensible to hold people responsible for what they do.

Seems like a rock and a hard place. B.F. Skinner's idea that consciousness is an illusion has been punctured again, and again.

It's not just psychology. Ethology has shown that the naive notion of animal activity being merely a matter of stimulus and response, is completely wrong, and can only give you an approximate idea of what's really happening. A piece of the reality, but not the reality itself:

For as long as human beings can remember, they have always been interested in what makes them who they are and what aspects of their being set each of them apart from others of their species. The answer according to behaviorists is nothing more than the world in which they grew up. Behaviorism is the theory that human nature can be fully understood by the laws inherent in the natural environment.

As one of the oldest theories of personality, behaviorism dates back to Descartes, who introduced the idea of a stimulus and called the person a machine dependent on external events whose soul was the ghost in the machine. Behaviorism takes this idea to another level. Although most theories operate to some degree on the assumption that humans have some sort of free will and are moral thinking entities, behaviorism refuses to acknowledge the internal workings of persons. In the mind of the behaviorist, persons are nothing more than simple mediators between behavior and the environment (Skinner, 1993, p 428).

The dismissal of the internal workings of human beings leads to one problem opponents have with the behavioral theory. This, along with its incapability of explaining the human phenomenon of language and memory, build a convincing case against behaviorism as a comprehensive theory. Yet although these criticisms indicate its comprehensive failure, they do not deny that behaviorism and its ideas have much to teach the world about the particular behaviors expressed by humankind.
Behaviorism: A Critical Look
 
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Televison reality actor mocking a person with a physical disability.

please note. This was debunked five years ago. I have posted the information showing the accusation as false more than a dozen times.
 
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please note. This was debunked five years ago.

Nope. It was denied five years ago. But it's on video,and there's really no way to deny. And we know he knew he was caught, because the next thing he tried after denial, was that he didn't even know the reporter.

That was a lie, too. And he made fun of the reporter to cover up another lie, and...

Donald Trump said he couldn’t have been making fun of a reporter’s disability because he doesn’t know the man. Not so, says the reporter.

Serge Kovaleski of The New York Times says he has met Trump repeatedly, interviewing him in his office and talking to him at news conferences, when he worked for the New York Daily News in the late 1980s. “Donald and I were on a first-name basis for years,” he said in a Times story about the Republican presidential candidate’s behavior at a rally in South Carolina last week.

Onstage Tuesday, a mocking Trump flailed his arms in an apparent attempt to imitate mannerisms of the “poor guy.” He accused Kovaleski of backing off a story from a week after the 9/11 attacks that said authorities in New Jersey detained and questioned “a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks.” Kovaleski then worked for The Washington Post.

Trump cites the story as proof of his claim that “thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the devastation across the river. But the story did not suggest “thousands” were observed celebrating or that the reports of such a scene were true. Other accounts from that time concluded the allegations were unfounded.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article46635090.html#storylink=cpy

As my Mom used to say, the problem with lying to get out of trouble, is you have to lie to cover the first one and then another to cover that and...
 
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