Did Jesus come to establish a religion called, "Christianity", or The Order of Melchizedek?

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"No" does not apply.
It's one or the other.
Since this is a 'christian forum', I was expecting people might use scripture to back up their assertions.
Just imagine, using the WORD OF GOD as the center of your christian belief.
 
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"No" does not apply.
It's one or the other.
Since this is a 'christian forum', I was expecting people might use scripture to back up their assertions.
Just imagine, using the WORD OF GOD as the center of your christian belief.

Forgive my interpretation of your punctuation. If it was an either/or, then the comma should technically be left out. :)

However, I will maintain that He did neither. He did not come to establish a religion, and He did not come to establish the "Order of Melchizedek".

He came to do His Father's will. Neither of those things was His Father's will.

Hebrews 10 is good reading on the topic, but don't just limit it to that chapter.
 
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Forgive my interpretation of your punctuation. If it was an either/or, then the comma should technically be left out. :)

However, I will maintain that He did neither. He did not come to establish a religion, and He did not come to establish the "Order of Melchizedek".

He came to do His Father's will. Neither of those things was His Father's will.

Hebrews 10 is good reading on the topic, but don't just limit it to that chapter.

Since the "Fathers Commandment is the Life of the Ages" - John 12:50.
Jesus came and IS coming (to those awake) to establish the priesthood of Life - Hebrews 7:11
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
 
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Since the "Fathers Commandment is the Life of the Ages" - John 12:50.
Jesus came and IS coming (to those awake) to establish the priesthood of Life - Hebrews 7:11
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Right, that is not why He came.
 
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Neither, He called believers to follow Him.

This is why the phenomena of followers was initially called 'the way'.
You might read Hebrews 5,6 and 7 to also correct your thinking on what following him means.
 
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Put it this way;

Don't miss the simplicity of why He came, because of the analogy of Who He Is. (Not seeing the forest because of the tree's). :)
The simplicity is to have the Light of Life - John 8:12.
No more darkness and no more death.
 
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Since the "Fathers Commandment is the Life of the Ages" - John 12:50.
Jesus came and IS coming (to those awake) to establish the priesthood of Life - Hebrews 7:11

You Quote of John 12:50 is from an obscure translation (Weymouth)

Why not use the usual rendering 'Eternal life' ???
 
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Yes, that is EXACTLY why he came - to reverse the curse of death that Adam brought into the Earth.

Right, He came so we could have life - life in Him.

Not to establish a priesthood, nor to establish a religion.
 
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Right, He came so we could have life - life in Him.

Not to establish a priesthood, nor to establish a religion.
Nope.
He has made us Kings and Priests - Rev 1:6 and 5:10.
Spiritually at first, question is, will you actualize it physically?
 
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You Quote of John 12:50 is from an obscure translation (Weymouth)

Why not use the usual rendering 'Eternal life' ???
The greek is Zoe Anionious - The Life of the Ages.
If you want to be academic about it. Most don't -
They want to fantasize about 'Life in Heaven after you die physically'.
I like the original.
 
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Nope.
He has made us Kings and Priests - Rev 1:6 and 5:10.
Spiritually at first, question is, will you actualize it physically?

Of course, that is a result of His coming - but not why He came.

Paul wrote it very personally, of which I am inclined to also state the same -

"The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost." 1 Timothy 1:15

Jesus came to die. Plain and simple. Through His death, we have received great things(He also), not least of which is a Priesthood - but that's not why He came - it's a result of it.
 
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Not to establish a priesthood, nor to establish a religion.
Then how do you rationalize him saying that he founded his church? That obviously cannot refer to just continuing on with the old religion of the Hebrews.
 
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Then how do you rationalize him saying that he founded his church? That obviously cannot refer to just continuing on with the old religion of the Hebrews.

Of course it is not a continuation of the Hebrew religion. His Church is simply those who He calls out. It’s not a system or religion.
 
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