Time Magazine Applauds "elite cabal" election conspiracy as "a good thing"

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At this point, Trump had over 50 lawsuits, going over every possible form of error/cheating
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Turned out not to be true as I pointed out - those reports ignore the fact that those 50 were not filed by the Trump Campaign (only a few were and not all of them failed) and when you look at what the campaign actually filed - a different result emerges.

Still it was interesting to see all the "latches" and "standing" and "result would probably be fewer" sorts of avoidance decisions the courts came up with instead of reviewing the evidence in detail and getting the facts out in the open.
 
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Pennsylvania was a particular embarrassment for Trump. .

65 Pennsylvania state legislators "sent a letter Friday asking the state's congressional leaders to dispute Pennsylvania's 2020 election results before the U.S. Congress meets to count electoral votes on January 6.

"Two other letters—one addressed to the state attorney general requesting the assignment of an independent prosecutor to review election proceedings and another addressed to the state inspector general asking for a full review of the Pennsylvania Department of State's handling of the election—were also signed by dozens of state lawmakers.

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"In the letter initially addressed to congressional lawmakers on Friday, members of the Pennsylvania General Assembly pointed to
  • changes election officials made to ballot collecting and counting processes, which they said conflicted with state election code revisions agreed upon in 2019.
  • One change the letter took issue with was a decision to extend the time that election officials could receive mail-in ballots, a change that was implemented in response to the influx of mail-in ballots received due to the coronavirus pandemic.
  • The letter also alleges that poll watchers were blocked from "meaningfully observing" the ballot-counting process."
75 Pennsylvania Republicans ask state to dispute 2020 elections in Congress

That last point was accompanied by sworn statements from election observers.

And when you think about it - what is the point of having election monitor/observers if the intent is to ignore anyone who raises an objection or notices a problem?

As for the changes... well let's ask Time Magazine about the secret Cabal:
"working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

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Maybe it was just all part of the
"The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election”

Time Magazine: 'Secret,' 'Well-funded Cabal' Worked to 'Protect' 2020 Election
 
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Republicans claim voter fraud? What a surprise. The problem for them, is evidence. Or rather, the lack of it. Over 50 lawsuits trying to overturn the results, with not one lawsuit changing even one electoral vote. And many Trump appointed judges made those decisions.

It's over. Trump lost. By a huge margin, a "landslide" according to Trump. (he lost by the same number of electoral votes as he won in 2016, when he called that a landslide)

And he lost by huge numbers of votes in both elections.

And his attempted insurrection fizzled when the few Capitol police managed to hold off Trump's rioters, protecting Congress.

It's time to face reality.
 
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Time Magazine article: "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election”

Time Magazine: 'Secret,' 'Well-funded Cabal' Worked to 'Protect' 2020 Election

Time reported this:
"though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

Part of the outcome according to the article was "the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans." (obviously that sounds as "non-partisan" as it really is BTW)

If it were a communist country we would call that sort of thing "propaganda combined with rigging an election", good thing it is America where the only election interference we know of - is Russian tweets and blogs.

Ok so that's the bad news -- now how to slap lipstick on it??...

Well here is the next sentence.

Time added this: "They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it".
That's right my friends - America was being force-fed that medicine "for its own good" according to the left.

Time: "That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream"

And they claim this as a non-partisan effort that was needed to (in their words:) "to fend off President Donald Trump’s anticipated claims of fraud" (as Time put it)... when presumably some of the coordinated work of the secret cabal began to unfold and then be challenged as if there were "a conspiracy" at work.


Anyway it is nice they are officially confessing to the "secret good" they were doing behind the scenes.

Here is a good review of it:


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from: The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

"In a way, Trump was right.

"There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. The pact was formalized in a terse, little-noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO published on Election Day. Both sides would come to see it as a sort of implicit bargain–inspired by the summer’s massive, sometimes destructive racial-justice protests–in which the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy."

"The handshake between business and labor was just one component of a vast, cross-partisan campaign..."

Trumps complaining about evidence appearing of a secret cabal/conspiracy during the election is apparently "an assault on democracy" when viewed from the left. Just part of "President Donald Trump’s anticipated claims of fraud" as the article put it.

No surprise then that opposing Trump looks like a "non-partisan effort" to the left.

Apparently coordinated opposition to one of the Presidential candidates during the election process is considered "non-partisan" if that candidate is not the Democratic candidate.

And just so we all know that "the left" is not limited to "the Biden campaign" the article makes this point.

"Though much of this activity took place on the left, it was separate from the Biden campaign "

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Meanwhile: Democratic senators warned of potential 'vote switching' by Dominion voting machines prior to 2020 election

Judge Rejects Democrats’ Claims of Voting Machine Irregularities

I think any hint of a problem with the machines or the process should be looked into - so that both sides can agree to the accuracy even if both sides are not happy with the outcome. That is the whole point of having election monitoring from both parties given full and unrestricted access to vote process and where monitor's objections are treated seriously and respectfully.

This cabal thing isn't it the luminati? Globalists
So many things are making so much sense now.

Why would the left have a problem with checking into the machines..they wouldn't want to win an election unfairly would they?
 
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This is a story of people working together to ensure our democracy was not compromised. Protecting people’s right to vote and countering a deliberate misinformation campaign aren’t nefarious activities. I’m proud of what everyone involved did.
Ha. Four states illegally changed their election processes is protecting our republic. Just like telling people to peacefully make their voices heard is an incitement to violence.

Peace is war and war is peace. Corrupting our republic is saving it. Welcome to covid-1984
 
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This cabal thing isn't it the luminati? Globalists
So many things are making so much sense now.

Why would the left have a problem with checking into the machines..they wouldn't want to win an election unfairly would they?

Indeed in fact shining a spotlight on their success should only serve to further highlight the "miracle" of having such an unpopular candidate getting such world-record-vote-counts.

Forensic audits - on vote documents and machines that are available now - and carefully following the laws requiring that the documents be preserved for 6 months etc, with independent election observers all swearing to the pristine nature of the well-monitored process -- would all serve to help them overwhelm the voting public with certified proof - that the process of pulling those suitcases of ballots from under the table to count them after all observers had left (and other such reported incidents), counting votes after the election observers were told to go home... etc were all part of the pristine pure voting process that we have all come to expect.
 
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Ha. Four states illegally changed their election processes is protecting our republic. Just like telling people to peacefully make their voices heard is an incitement to violence.

exactly! I think you have correctly stated "the solution".. :)

HR 1 now being pursued in congress will help that whole thing get imprinted in federal law so it can be done each and every election.
 
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Republicans claim voter fraud? What a surprise. The problem for them, is evidence. .

Evidence was presented in alternate media, with law makers present and sworn affidavits from election observers, video surveillance, statistical analysis -- where courts said they did not want to "look" at the evidence since it was either too late to look, or those presenting the evidence "did not have standing" as being the ones that would be damage by the fraud shown, or that "probably" the evidence would not be significant IF one took the time to actually "look".

All the reassuring responses the voters have always hoped for and cherished in elections

It's over. Trump lost. .

Indeed that is the "solution" we are using to address those concerns.
 
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Evidence was presented in alternate media

Ah, "alternative facts." Too bad they forgot those when they went to court.

So your final story is all those Trump-appointed judges were just favoring Biden and the republican officials in those states, who certified the results showing that Trump lost?

And the mostly republican-appointed (or Trump-appointed) Supreme Court were in on the conspiracy as well?

Or are you referring to the lawsuit by Texas' criminally-indicted AG, who introduced the novel legal theory that Texas has the right to determine the voting procedures of other states?

It's time to make your peace with reality, and move on.
 
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Evidence presented in uncensored-by-big-tech alternative media

Ah, "alternative facts."

Conflating the terms helping much?

Some prefer the "heavily censored" news -- I think Russia, China and N. Korea are already pretty good at what big-tech and censored-news-network are practicing.
 
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Why would the left have a problem with checking into the machines..they wouldn't want to win an election unfairly would they?

So with all the checking of machines that went on, you think it would throw the election to Trump if they just did it a few more times?

Doing something over and over again, and expecting the outcome to be different...
A judge has permitted review of more than two dozen electronic voting machines in Michigan's Antrim County, reportedly granting President Trump's legal team access to the software.

Trump Campaign Senior Legal Advisor Jenna Ellis tweeted on Sunday, "Michigan judge that gave Team Trump access to 22 Dominion voting machines to conduct a forensic audit TODAY!"

.@JennaEllisEsq on the Antrim County, Michigan judge that gave Team Trump access to 22 Dominion voting machines to conduct a forensic audit TODAY! pic.twitter.com/SbzGSIuKQx

— Team Trump (Text TRUMP to 88022) (@TeamTrump) December 6, 2020

That same day, Ellis revealed the legal team anticipates having results within a few days of the review.
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politi...ines-in-michigan-big-win-for-honest-elections

How did that work out? How many votes did Biden lose or Trump gain after the voting machines were examined by Trump people?
 
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Evidence presented in uncensored-by-big-tech alternative media.

Ah, "alternative facts."

Conflating the terms helping much?

That was the Trump administration's term for them. Stuff not in evidence, but stuff they want to be evidence.

Some prefer the "heavily censored" news

Actually, Fox is losing viewership, so less of them than a while ago.

I think Russia, China and N. Korea are already pretty good at what big-tech and censored-news-network are practicing.

The problem for wannabee dictators in this country is that Fox doesn't own the airwaves. There are lots of different news sources; some even farther right than Fox, and others with moderate or left-leaning programming. So no one can determine what Americans see.

There's a good reason Trump went after the media. Dictatorships don't work if there's a free and diverse press.
 
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Barbarian observes:
There's a good reason Trump went after the media. Dictatorships don't work if there's a free and diverse press.

I have to agree with that point

(extreme example of press diversity offered)

Yeah, that was a really weird one. But if such sites aren't allowed to peddle their dishonest propaganda, we don't really have freedom of the press.
 
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There's a good reason Trump went after the media.

I have to agree with that point


Now added to the OP

(extreme example of press diversity offered)
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So fine then "calling them out on their hoaxes and lies" is not a violation of their ability to print the truth. It merely fact checks them on their lies, it calls them out and inclines consumers to avoid the more well-known liar outlets. Quality control of the market place where market place forces help drive to the higher quality standard.
 
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Barbarian observes:
There's a good reason Trump went after the media. Dictatorships don't work if there's a free and diverse press.

I have to agree with that point

Yep. Your example of extremely biased media is just as entitled to spread their stuff as more responsible sources. The beauty of it is, with an open market for information, Trump's hopes of becoming an authoritarian ruler were doomed.
 
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Yep. Your example of extremely biased media is just as entitled to spread their stuff as more responsible sources.

The solution is not communist style censorship - the solution is the open marketplace of information and ideas.

Democracy never needs this "–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

In fact a " an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans" that managed to "change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

Communists need that of course, but we don't
 
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The solution is not communist style censorship - the solution is the open marketplace of information and ideas.

But that's what you're objecting to. As you showed us, all sorts of different viewpoints are readily available to anyone who cares to look. It seems that what you want is...
"–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

But that's not what you have. As you demonstrated, all sorts of viewpoints are freely disseminated in our nation. And that's what upsets you, it seems.

You want freedom for your POV to be distributed, but apparently not so much for the viewpoints of others. That's O.K. in a communist society, but a bad fit for America. Please reconsider.
 
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BobRyan said:
The solution is not communist style censorship - the solution is the open marketplace of information and ideas.

But that's what you're objecting to.

On the contrary I am objecting to the "control" of information with nothing left but spin-doctoring as the only thing "allowed" out when they "control" information and then manipulate laws and election policy -- as described in the the NY Times article where they claim success in what the secret cabal had stitched together
 
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