WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

[Victor in Christ]

The disciples broke break every day and they preached often, but the commandment from God is the seventh day is His Holy day. From creation Genesis 2:3, later added in stone written by our Savior Exodus 20:8-11. Jesus kept the Sabbath and we are told to follow Him as our example Luke 4:16 and Sabbath will be kept on the new Earth Isaiah 66:23. How much more evidence do you need to obey His commandments and Holy day? All of Gods commandments are eternal Psalms 111:7-9

Did the disciples break the Sabbath by preaching and breaking bread? did they break the Sabbath when they picked ears of corn and Christ told the Pharrassees "Man wasn't made for the Sabbath". The Pharrasses also critizised the disciples for not washing their hands and utensils before eating, as if obedience to the law was the method to make them Holy.

Now i'm not suggesting we go break the Sabbath willingly, but there can be times we need to break it in emergencies. That why the blood of the Lamb and Christ's atoning work on the cross is of the utmost importance, because without it we'd be damned to hell. One needs to obedient and better planning on our behalf will se we don't break the Sabbath.

Anyhow, lets not fall out over a Saturday or a Sunday. I have scripture which supports the Sabbath as the 8th day. God's holy spirit will tell you what day to keep holy.

God bless, as we'll all have to stand accountable before Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Sabbath i keep is the 8th day, the day Christ rose from the grave. Its a day we commune together to sing praises to God and Christ our saviour for shedding his atoning blood for our sins, dying and rising to sit at God's right hand ever interceeding for us on earth.

The Sabbath is defined by God as the seventh day. The 8th day is not Sabbath. God describes the first day as a working day, not a Holy day.

Exodus 20:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Did the disciples break the Sabbath by preaching and breaking bread? did they break the Sabbath when they picked ears of corn and Christ told the Pharrassees "Man wasn't made for the Sabbath". The Pharrasses also critizised the disciples for not washing their hands and utensils before eating, as if obedience to the law was the method to make them Holy.

Now i'm not suggesting we go break the Sabbath willingly, but there can be times we need to break it in emergencies. That why the blood of the Lamb and Christ's atoning work on the cross is of the utmost importance, because without it we'd be damned to hell. One needs to obedient and better planning on our behalf will se we don't break the Sabbath.

Anyhow, lets not fall out over a Saturday or a Sunday. I have scripture which supports the Sabbath as the 8th day. God's holy spirit will tell you what day to keep holy.

God bless, as we'll all have to stand accountable before Christ.

Please provide your scripture, I have been waiting where it says Jesus told us the Sabbath was changed from the seventh day to the first.

 

[Victor in Christ]

Please provide your scripture, I have been waiting where it Jesus told us the Sabbath was changed from the seventh day to the first.

I have studied them over the past 3 months, not in note form. It would take me much time to go over it in detail. I will try to get you more information and studies on it, i just haven't time. Here is a summary and its all found in scripture, God bless

Keep in mind Genesis 1, a day with God begins on the evening. Christ was entombed for 3 days and 3 nights. It was unlawful for a body to be hung on a tree on the Jewish Sabbath. Spices and ointments had to be prepared for Christ's body and it had to be embamed and wrapped in linen, etc. At the end of the Jewish Sabbath (its called morning) but its still dark. Mary came to the tomb and that was the 8th day, scripture says it was dark when Mary went to the tomb seen the angels and the stone was rolled away, then told the disciples and Peter witnessed Christ had risen. Peter and Mary then knew he was the Messiah, others weren't so sure.....

The day Christ was crucified some scholars suggest was the high day in the Jewish passover. The 'relgious' Jews would have been busy attending the highest day in the passover and missed Christ being the passover lamb, others were mocking him on the cross as he died for our sins. If that is the case, it would support Acts 20 where Paul after attending passover, the next Sabbath broke bread and preached until midnight into the 8th day.

If i don't get back to you within a week, you will know i'm very busy at other thing. you can still do some homework yourself from the little i have gave.

God Bless

 

[Victor in Christ]

The Sabbath is defined by God as the seventh day. The 8th day is not Sabbath. God describes the first day as a working day, not a Holy day.

Exodus 20:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Read Hebrews 12 and 13

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I have studied them over the past 3 months, not in note form. It would take me much time to go over it in detail. I will try to get you more information and studies on it, i just haven't time. Here is a summary and its all found in scripture, God bless

Keep in mind Genesis 1, a day with God begins on the evening. Christ was entombed for 3 days and 3 nights. It was unlawful for a body to be hung on a tree on the Jewish Sabbath. Spices and ointments had to be prepared for Christ's body and it had to be embamed and wrapped in linen, etc. At the end of the Jewish Sabbath (its called morning) but its still dark. Mary came to the tomb and that was the 8th day, scripture says it was dark when Mary went to the tomb seen the angels and the stone was rolled away, then told the disciples and Peter witnessed Christ had risen. Peter and Mary then knew he was the Messiah, others weren't so sure.....

Ok, I will wait for the scripture where Jesus said His Sabbath was changed from the seventh day to the first. The Bible references the first day 8 times and nothing to indicate such a major change in the Lords Holy day. When we look at Isaiah saying Sabbath will be worshipped in Heaven, how confusing would that be for Jesus to change it only to change it back again, which is why there is no scripture indicating such a change and why God specifically started the 4th commandment with “Remember” which means we shouldn’t forget. God bless

 

[Victor in Christ]

Ok, I will wait for the scripture where Jesus said His Sabbath was changed from the seventh day to the first. The Bible references the first day 8 times and nothing to indicate such a major change in the Lords Holy day. When we look at Isaiah saying Sabbath will be worshipped in Heaven, how confusing would that be for Jesus to change it than to change it back again, which is why there is no scripture indicating such a change and why God specifically started the 4th commandment with “Remember” which means we shouldn’t forget. God bless

You could also do some study yourself. Christ has given you the wisdom to search the scriptures to make you wise unto salvation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You could also do some study yourself. Christ has given you the wisdom to search the scriptures to make you wise unto salvation.

True and I have, which I already provided a plethora of scripture, still waiting for yours. I also offered going through all 8 scriptures found in the Bible that references the first day if you will also go through all 170 that references the Sabbath. Would you like to go through those together?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Like I said, I am waiting for scripture where the Sabbath commandment was transferred to Sunday.
After Jesus rose the Sabbath commandment was still being kept. Luke 23:56 so I prefer to go by scripture for guidance, like we are told to do by God. Deuteronomy 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

The sabbath wasn't transferred over the sunday, now the focus is on "entering the Lord's rest"

Rest is when you need it.

 

[Victor in Christ]

True and I have, which I already provided a plethora of scripture, still waiting for yours. I also offered going through all 8 scriptures found in the Bible that references the first day if you will also go through all 170 that references the Sabbath. Would you like to go through those together?

Your simply ignoring what i posted in post 1104

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Your simply ignoring what i posted in post 1104

Not ignoring, it just doesn’t say what you were hoping it does. Why are you ignoring what God wrote with His own hand? Exodus 20 8-11?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The sabbath wasn't transferred over the sunday, now the focus is on "entering the Lord's rest"

Rest is when you need it.

That is not what the commandment states, maybe another read would help:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

You do not enter in Gods rest by breaking His commandments.

But I am glad we agree, the Sabbath was not transferred over and is still the seventh day.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That is not what the commandment states, maybe another read would help:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

You do not enter in Gods rest by breaking His commandments.

But I am glad we agree, the Sabbath was not transferred over and is still the seventh day.

We don't actually agree.

You can have more than one sabbath a week.

The sabbath was given for man afterall, and sometimes we need lots of rest.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We don't actually agree.

You can have more than one sabbath a week.

The sabbath was given for man afterall, and sometimes we need lots of rest.

That’s your opinion, but God was very specific that the seventh day is THE Sabbath, not a Sabbath. This narrative doesn’t fit either, because Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath, which He did not, but if it was a Sabbath than anyone could pick or choose so the day wouldn’t matter, but that is not the case. The day does matter, because it is God’s Holy day, that He made from creation Genesis 2:3.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That’s your opinion, but God was very specific that the seventh day is THE Sabbath, not a Sabbath.

Actually, that's in scripture.

If you can't find scripture when it's directly quoted, your opinion on how to interpret it, is suspect.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Actually, that's in scripture.

If you can't find scripture when it's directly quoted, your opinion on how to interpret it, is suspect.

Easy enough, here you go:

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


I can’t bold right now because I am on my iPad but God clearly states THE seventh day, not a Sabbath day, but the seventh day is THE Sabbath.

And I agree with your statement which is why I asked for scripture and have yet been provided any that says God transferred His Holy Sabbath from the seventh day to the first.

Why don’t you google the meaning of Saturday in Hebrew, Greek and Arabic. This is what languages the Bible was translated from.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Easy enough, here you go:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In ityou shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lordblessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


I can’t bold right now because I am on my iPad but God clearly states THE seventh day, not a Sabbath, but the seventh day is THE Sabbath.

And I agree with your statement which is why I asked for scripture and have yet been provided any that says God transferred His Holy Sabbath from the seventh day to the first.

Why don’t you google the meaning of Saturday in Hebrew, Greek and Arabic. This is what the Bible was translated from.

One of the elements of Christianity is an idea of supercession. The sabbath is still there, but the way we regard it, is different. See below the examples.

Romans 14

4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: (Mark 2:27)

So it's fine if you regard the day as holy, but I will not accept any judgments from you if I choose not to.

See also John 5

16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 ¶ But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

So the principle follows, if God is working, we work.

If we need rest, we rest.

That's all there is to it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

One of the elements of Christianity is an idea of supercession. The sabbath is still there, but the way we regard it, is different. See below the examples.

Romans 14

4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: (Mark (2:27)

So it's fine if you regard the day as holy, but I will not accept any judgments from you if I choose not to.

See also John 5

16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 ¶ But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

So the principle follows, if God is working, we work.

If we need rest, we rest.

That's all there is to it.

Interesting you quote Mark 2:27 but don’t seem to understand it. The Lord said the Sabbath was made for man. That means it was made for you me and everyone else. God tells us to Hallow His Sabbath and here is another example. How many scriptures will you choose to ignore?

Ezekiel 20: 20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’ You know God when you Hallow His Sabbaths. You show love to God when you keep His commandments.

We rest when we obey Gods commandments, not break them.

 

[The Liturgist]

Golly, do I believe what Christians have always believed going back to the Apostles, or do I believe the lies of a 19th century false prophet? Such a difficult decision to make.

No where do the Scriptures call the Sabbath the Lord's day.

But the Church has always called the first day of the week the Lord's day.

Case closed.

-CryptoLutheran

I seriously ROFLed at this. Which turned out to be a bad idea given that I had made the mistake of dining on iHop this morning in a fit of gluttony, rather than waiting for a family owned restaurant whose food is not actually explosive to open. But dang, Swedish pancakes are so alluring, iHop uses them to tempt me. Lingonberry butter is a demonic agency.

 

[Victor in Christ]

Not ignoring, it just doesn’t say what you were hoping it does. Why are you ignoring what God wrote with His own hand? Exodus 20 8-11?

When Paul is talking to the Hebrews in Hebrews 7:12, what is he referring to. Is it the change of priesthood where we now are Priests unto God? Can he also be stating there is a change of day (Sabbath). I can understand through scripture why you do not work, etc on a Saturday and likewise those who see the Sabbath has changed to the 1st day of the week, but Paul and others preached on the Saturday and even into the 8th day.

What i don't understand also, is why a Saturday sabbath is to be a day of rest, yet when we were discussing earlier about the Sabbath when the Kingdom of Heaven comes down to earth Revelation 21:1-2, we'll not be resting in that kingdom, we'll be rejoicing.