Do Christians Consider it a Lack of Faith to Put Trust into Doctors?

[Jaedan]

I am sure there are some who fall into this category, but my experience in church, my local church is the opposite. If you have over 30 years of people getting cancer, being prayed for and dying, you get the clear impression healing after prayer is rare.

One couple I know believed so strongly in God demonstrating His presence through healing and prophecy wanted to predict when they would give birth to the day as a witness. As far as I remember they got it wrong within when prophesied within the same week.

Other friends of mine wanted miracles so much, they were healed of the common cold. Another prayed for their pet dog. This is not faith, it is some desire to prove faith in action through miracles is the spiritual issue in the Kingdom. But walking in love and purity is the issue, a much harder and eternal perspective.

My sons wife came from a group where the leader got cancer, and believed God had healed them, if they had the faith. They died, which devastated the group. So when Jesus calls you home, it is satan and defeat, but if a miracle happens it is Gods will and justification of faith. The idea of God being sovereign and seeking His will seems to not occur to these folk, because their ministry is so important, it must carry on. A pastor of the church they attended had a word of knowledge, that the reason for the spiritual blockage was an event my son had aged 8 years old.

The trouble with this approach is it has little meaning and is more superstition than walking in faith and love, and causes confusion and the wrong emphasis on fellowships. Some have gone so far, that unless there are people slain in the spirit, angel feathers present, angelic jewels left, gold dust appearing, God is not moving.
Jaded is probably not the word for it, fraud and lies comes a lot closer.

God bless you

Miracles are neat.

However, for me, witnessing or being the subject of a "miracle" doesn't build up my "faith" whatsoever.

 

[Guojing]

Miracles are neat.

However, for me, witnessing or being the subject of a "miracle" doesn't build up my "faith" whatsoever.

Amen, as Paul taught us in 2 Corinthians 5:7

For we walk by faith, not by sight:

 

[Rescued One]

Hi, (this is a poorly constructed question)

I have noticed that a tiny minority of Christians (I'm not trying to make a hasty generalization here) don't really trust their doctors. I have heard some stories (and ongoing stories) about people refusing to go to the doctor, trusting that God will heal them of their sickness (in a divine way). Moreover, I have been kinda worried about these people.

I'm no doctor yet (I'm not even a pre-med student yet). However, I just feel a bit worried about this minority group of Christians. But, I don't know if it is right for me to feel this way.


Do Christians consider it a lack of faith (in regards to God) to put trust into Doctors?

I certainly don't. Some doctors are Christians and pray for their patients. If God considers medicine an evil practice why do so many patients receive healing?

A friend of mine invited me to a "healing" service. She wanted her son's hearing restored. It wasn't and yet she afterwards claimed that his hearing was restored a little bit.

 

[RaymondG]

Miracles are neat.

However, for me, witnessing or being the subject of a "miracle" doesn't build up my "faith" whatsoever.

Not possible. This is like saying, if you get a headache and take a certain pill and the headache goes away..... this will not cause you to trust that the same pill could help with the headache the next time you have one. You subconsciously build faith in that pill and go to it first the next time the headache occurs.

Same with things of the spirit.... once you experience truth, you can't forget it..... and there would be no reason to return to lies.

 

[ViaCrucis]

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[dqhall]

I am sad to hear that, my experience over 45 years has been quite different.

Seeing God heal isn't happening every day of the week but we have seen three healings in the last 12 months and one from Cancer for which we have posted Hospital records here.

Speaking In Tongues Post #120


And my testimony thread here...
Jesus's Ministry

I am sure Jesus continues to do miraculous healings. I watched videos about famous revival preachers. They preached with power from the Holy Spirit. People were healed at the Azusa Street church in LA. That started a Pentecostal movement. Churches were filled and bars closed during the Hebrides Revival in Scotland. Jail cells were vacant as the crime rate went down after Charles Finney preached in Rochester.

There was also an evangelist named Smith Wigglesworth who claimed to do mass healing. He used to tell people, “You are healed.” Some of them replied, “I am not healed.” Many are called few are chosen.

 

[RDKirk]

I am sure Jesus continues to do miraculous healings. I watched videos about famous revival preachers. They preached with power from the Holy Spirit. People were healed at the Azusa Street church in LA. That started a Pentecostal movement. Churches were filled and bars closed during the Hebrides Revival in Scotland. Jail cells were vacant as the crime rate went down after Charles Finney preached in Rochester.

There was also an evangelist named Smith Wigglesworth who claimed to do mass healing. He used to tell people, “You are healed.” Some of them replied, “I am not healed.” Many are called few are chosen.

When I was a kid, my grandmother watched Jimmy Swaggart on television. He was still preaching out of tents at the time. He had big meetings with throngs of people lining up for healing. Then he'd direct the television audience to "place the part of your body that needs healing upon your television set."

Spiritual healing is a real thing. I'll testify to that. But it's also mission-purposed.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Spiritual healing is a real thing. I'll testify to that. But it's also mission-purposed.

Can you expand on that please...

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

Miracles are neat.

However, for me, witnessing or being the subject of a "miracle" doesn't build up my "faith" whatsoever.

(Joh 10:37) If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(Joh 10:38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

(Joh 14:11) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

the vast majority of the works that Jesus spoke of in these scriptures were miracles of healing; evidently, Jesus believed that miracles of healing should indeed inspire faith in the God who heals.

physicians aren't universally of the devil, but neither are they universally of God; many are of other religions, or agnostics, or atheists - physicians are people; some are uncaring and greedy, many many more are sincerely trying to help people. modern science has progressed far, but yet is far short of the power of God to heal that we see in Jesus' ministry.

i sincerely hope that you never need a miracle of healing; i truly hope you never have to look a physician in the eyes while they tell you that nothing can be done to heal you within the limits of modern medicine, and that you will likely soon die. but if you do find yourself in such a situation, try to remember that your esteem of miracles that you've expressed here will not lessen God's mercy for you, or His desire that you receive a miracle healing from Him.

 

[Carl Emerson]

i sincerely hope that you never need a miracle of healing; i truly hope you never have to look a physician in the eyes while they tell you that nothing can be done to heal you within the limits of modern medicine, and that you will likely soon die. but if you do find yourself in such a situation, try to remember that your esteem of miracles that you've expressed here will not lessen God's mercy for you, or His desire that you receive a miracle healing from Him.

I read this several times - I am unsure where Jesus not being able to heal due to lack of faith fits into what you have expressed...
I want to agree with you - I just have that nagging thought that it might not be the full story...

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

I read this several times - I am unsure where Jesus not being able to heal due to lack of faith fits into what you have expressed...
I want to agree with you - I just have that nagging thought that it might not be the full story...

sorry that was confusing; i was simply trying to show that Jesus valued the works He did as faith-inspiring - does that help?

not sure what you mean about 'the full story' - feel free to PM me Brother

 

[LightLoveHope]

(Luk 4:38) And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
(Luk 4:39) And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them.

this isn't a debate - Jaedan, the OP, asked for advice; let's focus on his request, and agree to disagree

14 When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.
15 He touched her hand and the fever left her, and she got up and began to wait on him.
Matt 8:14-15

30 Simon's mother-in-law was in bed with a fever, and they told Jesus about her.
31 So he went to her, took her hand and helped her up. The fever left her and she began to wait on them.
Mark 1:30-31

1 verse alone talks about Jesus rebuking a fever in Simons mother in law.
I dearly hope that this is not the foundation of a theology about illness being evil spirits affecting people.

Jesus addressed the response of someones body to an infection, which is quite different from healing or dealing with demon possession. Fevers are our bodies response to an illness, not the illness itself. Like Jesus stilling the storm, Jesus stilled someones bodily responses so they could give Him hospitality.

God bless you

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

14 When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.
15 He touched her hand and the fever left her, and she got up and began to wait on him.
Matt 8:14-15

30 Simon's mother-in-law was in bed with a fever, and they told Jesus about her.
31 So he went to her, took her hand and helped her up. The fever left her and she began to wait on them.
Mark 1:30-31

1 verse alone talks about Jesus rebuking a fever in Simons mother in law.
I dearly hope that this is not the foundation of a theology about illness being evil spirits affecting people.

Jesus addressed the response of someones body to an infection, which is quite different from healing or dealing with demon possession. Fevers are our bodies response to an illness, not the illness itself. Like Jesus stilling the storm, Jesus stilled someones bodily responses so they could give Him hospitality.

God bless you

i never said that; i'm not sure why you would jump to that conclusion. one scripture does not establish a doctrine, but what Jesus did shouldn't be ignored either.

the rules of the Advice forum preclude debate among advisors - feel free to PM me if you want to discuss this further with me

 

[Guojing]

(Joh 10:37) If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(Joh 10:38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

(Joh 14:11) Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

the vast majority of the works that Jesus spoke of in these scriptures were miracles of healing; evidently, Jesus believed that miracles of healing should indeed inspire faith in the God who heals.

You must be from a Word of Faith church?

Jesus first coming was for Israel (Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8), and Israel, since they were formed in Exodus, always required a sign to believe (Exodus 4, Luke 7:20-22, 1 Corinthians 1:22).

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

You must be from a Word of Faith church?

Jesus first coming was for Israel (Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8), and Israel, since they were formed in Exodus, always required a sign to believe (Exodus 4, Luke 7:20-22, 1 Corinthians 1:22).

yes, i am aware of that

here's something from the "Requests for Christian Advice Statement of Purpose":

"...Posts that debate rather than advise will also be deleted and the member may be banned from the thread"

this obviously isn't strictly enforced, but i adhere to this rule out of respect for the Moderators - if you want to discuss this, please PM me

 

[Guojing]

yes, i am aware of that

here's something from the "Requests for Christian Advice Statement of Purpose":

"...Posts that debate rather than advise will also be deleted and the member may be banned from the thread"

this obviously isn't strictly enforced, but i adhere to this rule out of respect for the Moderators - if you want to discuss this, please PM me

I find this rule a bit strange, good advice in a Christian forum should always be backed by scripture interpretation.

But alright, we can end this discussion here.

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

i don

I find this rule a bit strange, good advice in a Christian forum should always be backed by scripture interpretation.

But alright, we can end this discussion here.

we don't make the rules, but we agreed to follow them when we signed up

as i said, feel free to PM me if you want to discuss this

 

[LightLoveHope]

i never said that; i'm not sure why you would jump to that conclusion. one scripture does not establish a doctrine, but what Jesus did shouldn't be ignored either.

the rules of the Advice forum preclude debate among advisors - feel free to PM me if you want to discuss this further with me

I am not debating, I am giving advice.
NAR, Bethel, WOF, Hyper grace, latter reign, all have a belief in the super apostles, the 1,000 year rain, the angels of blessing, trips to the 3rd, 4th etc heaven for ones own revelation from Moses, Elijah, Jesus or whoever, or Gabriel instead of scripture and a loving faithful walk with Christ. Some would have you believe there are principalities of evil, which we as believers have to conquer, like Everest, and they literally sent a team to climb Everest to overthrow this evil power. Some probably believe Trump is a part of this as well.

Add the prosperity gospel and prophets whose word is law, you have not just claiming healing but real heresy and blasphemy. I have talked with those who could create things like the Father, ex-nihilo, except they really needed medical help.

Healing of the heart is the biggest miracle of all, to cleanse and purify us of sin and bring the Lords love to bare. What does not surprise me is those who often push miraculous healing first are often the first to deny purity within, light of life that brings eternity into our mortal souls.

If anyone can share both, I say amen, but I have only found very few who know the straight path.
It might make people wonder why this is so, and humbly seek God for His light and His way through.
God bless you

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

I am not debating, I am giving advice.
NAR, Bethel, WOF, Hyper grace, latter reign, all have a belief in the super apostles, the 1,000 year rain, the angels of blessing, trips to the 3rd, 4th etc heaven for ones own revelation from Moses, Elijah, Jesus or whoever, or Gabriel instead of scripture and a loving faithful walk with Christ. Some would have you believe there are principalities of evil, which we as believers have to conquer, like Everest, and they literally sent a team to climb Everest to overthrow this evil power. Some probably believe Trump is a part of this as well.

Add the prosperity gospel and prophets whose word is law, you have not just claiming healing but real heresy and blasphemy. I have talked with those who could create things like the Father, ex-nihilo, except they really needed medical help.

Healing of the heart is the biggest miracle of all, to cleanse and purify us of sin and bring the Lords love to bare. What does not surprise me is those who often push miraculous healing first are often the first to deny purity within, light of life that brings eternity into our mortal souls.

If anyone can share both, I say amen, but I have only found very few who know the straight path.
It might make people wonder why this is so, and humbly seek God for His light and His way through.
God bless you

i believe the idea of the no-debate rule is that advice be given to the one who asked for it, in order that that all communication in the thread be focused on the request for advice; when advisors debate or even discuss between themselves in the thread rather than addressing the person who actually requested the advice, it can make the OP feel left out and their request diminished in preference of one or more advisors wanting to be the center of attention.

but i'm just guessing

thank you for sharing; but i didn't ask for your advice.

and I am blessed; as are you

 

[Jaedan]

i believe the idea of the no-debate rule is that advice be given to the one who asked for it, in order that that all communication in the thread be focused on the request for advice; when advisors debate or even discuss between themselves in the thread rather than addressing the person who actually requested the advice, it can make the OP feel left out and their request diminished in preference of one or more advisors wanting to be the center of attention.

but i'm just guessing

thank you for sharing; but i didn't ask for your advice.

and I am blessed; as are you

I don't feel left out at all.

Although I was technically asking for advice (I want to be a doctor, moreover, I wanted to know how Christians view doctors) I just wanted to know what other people think in regards to my question (if that makes sense?).

I don't think any of you guys are trying to be the "center of attention." I value the individual preferences of all of you guys equally.