Gay Convesion Laws threaten Aussies with 500,000 fine or 10 year jail

[FutureAndAHope]

If this does not make your blood boil nothing will. Australia is bringing in laws, that fine Christians up to $500,000 or 10 years jail, for helping gays leave their life style.

Be serious about this, and pray.

 

[Jeshu]

This is the gay victory remember? What does a gay person do after they decide to lead a gay life style? They make homosexuality their god and leave the real God? Sadly a lot of gay people do and this world is running after them. This is what is happening in the Western world. Our God of the Bible is seen as suppressive, loveless and old fashion and is done away with, while homosexuality is embraced and everyone is forced to go along with them, or else!

All in the name of love?

(But true love loves what is right, does not seek wrong, and is not self seeking.)

 

[Aussie Pete]

If this does not make your blood boil nothing will. Australia is bringing in laws, that fine Christians up to $500,000 or 10 years jail, for helping gays leave their life style.

Be serious about this, and pray.

Absolutely. How long before quoting the Bible is condemned as hate speech? If this proceeds into law, Aussies had better start learning Chinese. They'll need it to work with their new masters.

 

[Danthemailman]

It's all part of the New World (without God) Order. Yesterday's unthinkables are a reality today and today's unthinkables will be a reality tomorrow. Come quickly Lord Jesus!

 

[Lost4words]

Many people of the world are bonkers..

 

[Danthemailman]

Many people of the world are bonkers..

You got that right! Especially these days. I really miss the 80's. Things have changed so much since then that sometimes I feel like I live on a different planet!

 

[Lost4words]

Its a sick, cruel, evil infested planet.

Come Lord Jesus come.

 

[marc b]

Canada is also proposing similar laws.

We Christians can no longer afford to idly watch on the side. We are such a large group (bigger than them) we should all stand up and let our voice be heard. If they insist on prodding us, they better be ready to see how large a sleeping giant we are. Personally I've sent a letter to our local minister against these proposed laws, and is currently signed up to receive email updates on this and other issues like abortion etc. If there are rallies, I will be there.

 

[LoricaLady]

Things are developing as Messiah predicted for the last days. I pray for all involved, for the Fathers mercies.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Canada is also proposing similar laws.

We Christians can no longer afford to idly watch on the side. We are such a large group (bigger than them) we should all stand up and let our voice be heard. If they insist on prodding us, they better be ready to see how large a sleeping giant we are. Personally I've sent a letter to our local minister against these proposed laws, and is currently signed up to receive email updates on this and other issues like abortion etc. If there are rallies, I will be there.

I truly think most Christians do not know about this, and if they do, don't know what to do.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Absolutely. How long before quoting the Bible is condemned as hate speech? If this proceeds into law, Aussies had better start learning Chinese. They'll need it to work with their new masters.

I know this is not the prophetic forum, but I have had the thought more than once cross my mind that God may use China to correct our nation (Australia). People would say the thought is crazy, but China may one day even invade us for our sins. But don't quote me on that, it was only a thought.

 

[marc b]

I truly think most Christians do not know about this, and if they do, don't know what to do.

Yeah. Church leaders are failing to raise these issues. A simple note on the church bulletin for current issues would be nice. But each of us individually should also be plugged to see what issues are dear to God. I became aware only when I signed up for abortion issues which is dear to Gods heart. Then I began to see so many other issues like this. The enemy is very sneaky also. The gender laws were snuck in very quickly in a very questionable way in Canada.

Perhaps us Christians need to consider having our own lobbyists. Not directly tied to any church or denomination. Just another non-charitable organization that will take individual donation to prevent Christian beliefs from being eroded. We have to fight the war the way politicians understand. I'm not sure of the ramifications of this tho. I am just an average apolitical Christian.

 

[SilverBear]

If this does not make your blood boil nothing will. Australia is bringing in laws, that fine Christians up to $500,000 or 10 years jail, for helping gays leave their life style.

Be serious about this, and pray.

here is the current proposed legislation: https://content.legislation.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-12/591143bab1.pdf

please note that your claim is not upheld.

The fine of up to $500,000 or 10 years on jail is specifically directed towards those who physically injure the person they are "helping"

(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) A intentionally engages in a change or suppression practice directed towards another person (B); and
(b) the change or suppression practice causes serious injury to B; and
(c) A is negligent as to whether engaging in the change or suppression practice will cause serious injury to B.
Penalty: In the case of a natural person, level 5 imprisonment (10 years maximum) or a level 5 fine (1200 penalty units maximum) or both

 

[FutureAndAHope]

here is the current proposed legislation: https://content.legislation.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-12/591143bab1.pdf

please note that your claim is not upheld.

The fine of up to $500,000 or 10 years on jail is specifically directed towards those who physically injure the person they are "helping"

(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) A intentionally engages in a change or suppression practice directed towards another person (B); and
(b) the change or suppression practice causes serious injury to B; and
(c) A is negligent as to whether engaging in the change or suppression practice will cause serious injury to B.
Penalty: In the case of a natural person, level 5 imprisonment (10 years maximum) or a level 5 fine (1200 penalty units maximum) or both

NO the crimes act defines injury as both emotional or physical, but should I be happy to accept, other fines, or imprisonment, for emotional damages, or injury? People can claim all sorts of emotional injury.

As stated in the document and injury under the crimes act is not just physical injury:

S. 15 def. of injury substituted by No. 6/2013 s. 3(a).

(a)physical injury; or

(b) harm to mental health—

 

[SilverBear]

Yes, but should I be happy to accept, other fines, or imprisonment, for emotional damages, or injury? People can claim all sorts of emotional injury.

the legislation specifically notes that "injury has the same meaning as it has in
25 section 15 of the Crimes Act 1958"

S. 15 def. of injury substituted by No. 6/2013 s. 3(a).
"injury" means—
(a) physical injury; or
(b) harm to mental health—

S. 15 def. of harm to mental health inserted by No. 6/2013 s. 3(c).
"harm to mental health" includes psychological harm but does not include an emotional reaction such as distress, grief, fear or anger unless it results in psychological harm;

 

[SilverBear]

NO the crimes act defines injury as both emotional or physical, but should I be happy to accept, other fines, or imprisonment, for emotional damages, or injury? People can claim all sorts of emotional injury.

would you be happy to inflict emotional damage?

 

[FutureAndAHope]

would you be happy to inflict emotional damage?

It's not about whether I inflict it, it is whether the person claims it. They only have to see my website advertising the fact that Homosexuality is against God, they could claim this has bought them continual fear (or some other disruption to their mental health), I could then be fined.

This is not about physical injury, it is all about, a person's perceived mental well being.

 

[SilverBear]

It's not about whether I inflict it, it is whether the person claims it. They only have to see my website advertising the fact that Homosexuality is against God, they could claim this has bought them continual fear (or some other disruption to their mental health), I could then be fined.

not buying that

 

[FutureAndAHope]

not buying that

We were assured by the government at the time of the referendum into gay marriage that there would be no impact on people of faith. After the referendum, some Christians, and a radio presenter were put before the courts, some fined $10,000. Now we have this new law, which states we may not participate in any conversion practice, we may not try to convert someone from a gay life style, and you assure us there will be no implications. It's a joke. The law specifically mentions even prayer is not allowed, for consenting adults. It is crazy. There will be implications, there will be fines.

 

[atpollard]

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