Are we seeing the end of the (dis) United States?

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This article, courtesy of ABC Australia, the publicly owned broadcaster, is a sobering assessment of the current political situation in the USA. The one factor left out of the analysis (hardly surprising) is God. Unfortunately, God is increasingly left out of American society. So no one should be surprised at the current state of affairs in the US.

The problem at the heart of this week's crisis goes deeper than Trump

Is the article factual? Are the conclusions correct? I don't agree with everything stated in the article, but the general theme is hard to argue against. Agree? Or not?
What folks want is real truth without censorship, something they cannot get from the news and big tech. "Dangerous delusions", "crazed supporters", give me a break, nonsense!
 
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Budgets are work to read, difficult to debate, and essentially boring.
Politicians are not created for their intelligence but their willingness to play along.

give politicians a chance to pontificate on live TV
Of course (as we have seen with the scrambling of career minded buffoons in the houses over the last few days). But the fault lies not with them but with the stupidity of the masses which allow this charade t continue. But too late now. Tech has ensured dissent will be a thing of the past and their system is secure. Not that it was every really threatened by herds of sheep.
 
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This article, courtesy of ABC Australia, the publicly owned broadcaster, is a sobering assessment of the current political situation in the USA. The one factor left out of the analysis (hardly surprising) is God. Unfortunately, God is increasingly left out of American society. So no one should be surprised at the current state of affairs in the US.

The problem at the heart of this week's crisis goes deeper than Trump

Is the article factual? Are the conclusions correct? I don't agree with everything stated in the article, but the general theme is hard to argue against. Agree? Or not?
When I look at elections, I see half vote for one party and half vote for the other.

Since the territorial boundaries of this split are scattered throughout the US, it would imply a civil war might happen - you know - eventually.

However, the decline of America has been happening for a while, it might take some time for the rot to take it's toll. Our generation may not see the conclusion.
 
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it would imply a civil war might happen - you know - eventually.
The war might been between the rational and the fringe factor of both sides, but that is doubtful with the rational in fear of losing their tech of 15 years and going back to the stone age of 2005 where people could still write, calculate in their heads and use a pay phone..
 
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The war might been between the rational and the fringe factor of both sides, but that is doubtful with the rational in fear of losing their tech of 15 years and going back to the stone age of 2005 where people could still write, calculate in their heads and use a pay phone..
Yeah, the decline will be slow and painful to watch.
 
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When I look at elections, I see half vote for one party and half vote for the other.

Since the territorial boundaries of this split are scattered throughout the US, it would imply a civil war might happen - you know - eventually.

However, the decline of America has been happening for a while, it might take some time for the rot to take it's toll. Our generation may not see the conclusion.
The slow rot: NAFTA, offshoring loss of manufacturing base
The Fast rot: Economic Collapse 2008

The slow rot: endless wars, balkanization, oligarchy, corruption
The Fast Rot: Government collapse 2020

The slow rot: The National Debt, stimulus instead of producing economy
The Fast rot: The Dollar collapses (Biden intends to print 15 trillion dollars. Japan has tricky means of monetizing that kind of debt but Japan currency is pegged to the dollar, I think)

Not certain when or if the slow rot will get to fast rot monetarily
I would say right now conditions on the ground are not ripe for revolution
However, depending on how and what happens over the next 2 to 4 years, conditions may deteriorate or other factors could arise (who predicted Covid 19?)
JMHO
 
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The Kingdom of God is not of this world. God knows the hearts of men and women. Nations are no longer of God, only the chosen who are in the Body of Christ, those who choose Him and not the things of this world. So no fretting, the Kingdom is at hand and only individual people dwell in it not nations. Be blessed.
Absolutely. I have long thought that the USA will become impotent in world affairs in order to allow the anti-Christ to rise up. I believe that the Middle East peace, certainly a great achievement by Mr Trump, is temporary and an expedient by Sunni nations to resist the power of Iran. While the body of Christ is the real power on the earth (which not enough Christians realise), I am still very interested in what goes on in the world. We edge closer and closer to the day when "Thy Kingdom come" is answered. I hope Christians are preparing for the day.
 
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The mainstream media and Democrats have turned up the heat on Trump, determined to make his presidency appear as morally-corrupt and fascist as they possibly can - and as they actually are. The Dems and mainstream media have taken up this tactic - which, shockingly, seems to be working on many people - of accusing Trump of the very things of which they are most guilty. At least in part, their goal is to demonstrate to all that, if they have the power to so viciously railroad the POTUS, they have the power to do much worse to any individual American. Of course, the Dems serve notice to all Republican politicians, too, that strongly countering Leftist progressivism (aka Marxist communism) will be met with the enormous coordinated power, not just of the Dems, but of mainstream media and Big Tech (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc). Resistance to the Dems's Leftism will be countered now with merciless slander, political shenanigans, and legal strong-arming.

The American Union of States cannot survive this sort of political fascism. Too many Americans despise the nascent Communism of the Left and will not be brought under it. There will, I think, be either secession of States from the Union, or civil war.

China waits at the door with 3 million troops for the States to be weakened sufficiently for it to be overtaken and brought under its power. Not long now, if things continue down the Leftist path the Dems are promoting.
I watch with a great deal of interest. If I was much younger, I would be learning Chinese. I suspect Australians will be needing it in the future.
 
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Many Americans are concerned for the US society as a whole. We are seeing things happening here now that many of us never thought we would see happening in our lifetimes.

I believe many American Christians would agree with Francis Chan. I do.

America is in great need of spiritual revival.
I do not say that as if to be simply repeating some Christian 'cliche'. It is true.
The coming persecution will do much to bring it ...
and many will turn to the Lord.
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I hope so. I pray so.
 
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What folks want is real truth without censorship, something they cannot get from the news and big tech. "Dangerous delusions", "crazed supporters", give me a break, nonsense!
Yes, somewhat overstated. However, I'm old enough to remember race riots and anti war demonstrations that seemed about to tear the USA apart. There is still at least some North/South divide, which is being suppressed. I would not be surprised if suppressing those who fly the Confederate flag backfires. You don't clamp a lid on a boiling pot. It only works if you remove the heat. That I do not see happening.
 
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Yes, somewhat overstated. However, I'm old enough to remember race riots and anti war demonstrations that seemed about to tear the USA apart. There is still at least some North/South divide, which is being suppressed. I would not be surprised if suppressing those who fly the Confederate flag backfires. You don't clamp a lid on a boiling pot. It only works if you remove the heat. That I do not see happening.

Thanks for this perspective. I'm 35 and not old enough to remember the Vietnam protests or prior race riots. I am concerned about the South rising again. I think to suppress them a second time is not good. Robert E. Lee's surrender was the first thing that many of them are still upset over, even 170 years later. The removal and subsequent censoring of Trump seems to be the straw that will break the camel's back. Ultimately I'm concerned that the Left's suppression will come back to bite them. When you're vindictive and proud, you tend to overplay your hand.
 
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Thanks for this perspective. I'm 35 and not old enough to remember the Vietnam protests or prior race riots. I am concerned about the South rising again. I think to suppress them a second time is not good. Robert E. Lee's surrender was the first thing that many of them are still upset over, even 170 years later. The removal and subsequent censoring of Trump seems to be the straw that will break the camel's back. Ultimately I'm concerned that the Left's suppression will come back to bite them. When you're vindictive and proud, you tend to overplay your hand.

Trump has nothing to do with the Confederate Flag, the South or Racism.
That is the "silencing" narrative. Anything we say, anything we do politically the shout down is "racist, racist racist"
We don't mention that flag, we don't speak out about anything. No matter what we say or do, "racist racist racist." We have been beaten down by the "basket of deplorable" words, "racist, bigot, xenophobe, homophobe." We don't talk anymore. It may be that lid will blow off but for myself, I just stay out of it. Live my life, ignore main stream media and enjoy the good things God has given me.
 
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Trump has nothing to do with the Confederate Flag, the South or Racism.
That is the "silencing" narrative. Anything we say, anything we do politically the shout down is "racist, racist racist"
We don't mention that flag, we don't speak out about anything. No matter what we say or do, "racist racist racist." We have been beaten down by the "basket of deplorable" words, "racist, bigot, xenophobe, homophobe." We don't talk anymore. It may be that lid will blow off but for myself, I just stay out of it. Live my life, ignore main stream media and enjoy the good things God has given me.
A good approach. You could add "privileged white" to that list, if you are white. Get a real good sun tan, you should be safer.
 
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A good approach. You could add "privileged white" to that list, if you are white. Get a real good sun tan, you should be safer.
Trump has 113 million followers on Twitter. He had the most votes of any President.
We are so quiet or have been so marginalized that Pelosi and most democrats believe we are small band of kooks. It will be quite a surprise if and when the lid does blow off.
 
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It’s an amazing thing to see a group of people who have never known true oppression and their take on what makes them marginalized and oppressed.

The insurrectionist traitors that stormed the capital on Wednesday claim oppression because they lost an election. That isn’t oppression; it’s democracy. Trump had the most votes of any president, but not enough to beat the guy who actually won. Biden had the most of any candidate ever, Obama included. If you want to be really technical, most of America didn’t even want Trump in 2016 either as he handily lost the popular vote then.

I’d like to think this will die down with Biden in office, but he has a tough mountain to climb so I suspect it won’t... Trump has so totally radicalized the weakest and most easily manipulated parts of his base that it led to the disaster we saw last week. I think we will see these splinter insurgents popping up for awhile, likely the whole of Biden’s presidency (especially once Trump is impeached and begins to face the penalties he has avoided for the last 4 years).

I think we will get past it, though it will take time. In the meantime, I hope Pence, Pelosi, Biden, and Harris have the best security available to them. Pence came 10 feet from being killed Wednesday, Pelosi staffers less than that. There are too many radicalized potential domestic terrorists who feel the only solution is assassination.
 
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