Could America be inching closer to civil war?

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You would hope so, but military commanders are trained to follow orders and if the Commander and Chief ordered it, they would comply.

Clearly you've never been in the military.

Military commanders are trained to follow lawful orders. They are required to disobey unlawful orders, even from the president. The use of chemical weapons is totally unlawful. The US does not even have chemical weapons in its arsenals--that is even unlawful. Everybody involved would go to prison.

We get explicit training on that every year.
 
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Hey you do realize Jesus Christ was a Jew. And the Bible is very very clear even with all the problems Jews are still God's chosen people. You talk about Joe's son in China, what about Donald an Russia? Here's a fact for you Donald Trump has long since been suspected of tampering with the 2016 election using Russia, he is also on record is asking if he could pardon himself on that meaning he is probably guilty of it. Think about that tampering with an election by using a hostile foreign power. We may not be at war with Russia but we're not friends. And by the way Donny boy is also in bed with China so it's kind of moot. But let's get back to the Jewish comment,I am so sick to death of Christians or people who CLAIM to be Christian having a problem with Jewish people. In the Bible despite all the punishments that come their way God has always specifically said the Jews were his chosen people. oh you guys who have problems with juice and are racist and prejudice towards them are going to have a real problem come judgment Day.

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NOw that the left has the presidency, house and senate- I don't think so. Some on the extreme right maycause a lot of trouble like we see today with some of the radical right attacking the capitol, but I think the threat of civil was has died.

I think the threat of a Syria-styled guerilla civil war has been displayed today as at least fifty percent likely. Right wingers have been hoarding firearms and ammunition for nearly a year.
 
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God will never let Jews be extinguished from the earth, but He Himself engineered the fall of the Israel monarchy at the hands of men.

The Jewish nation and the state of Israel are two different things in the eyes of God.
 
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Clearly you've never been in the military.

Military commanders are trained to follow lawful orders. They are required to disobey unlawful orders, even from the president. The use of chemical weapons is totally unlawful. The US does not even have chemical weapons in its arsenals--that is even unlawful. Everybody involved would go to prison.

We get explicit training on that every year.

I served in the Marines so you're judgement is wrong

We were trained to follow orders and that's what good Marines and Soldiers do.
They're not lawyers and might not know what is actually and unlawful order or not
 
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I think the threat of a Syria-styled guerilla civil war has been displayed today as at least fifty percent likely. Right wingers have been hoarding firearms and ammunition for nearly a year.

It was a peaceful corwd until a few rabble rousers incited the people.

I do not condone it but where was all this outrage for Portland, Atlanta, Baltimore and other cities when the leftist mobs burned houses down, looted stores, sent people to the hospital,took over whole seftions of cities???? crickets!

Most right wingers are teh soccer moms and the blue collar working stiffs who work and pay their taxes and raise their kids and do the most to keep the economy running. Their are whackos out there but there are far fewer on teh right than on the left.

Make no mistake if there is a civil war it will be started from th eleft just like the left started the last civil war in America!

Yes the right has been hoarding guns and ammo. But teh states show that the gun crimes in America are done by the class of folk that overwhelmingly vote left.
 
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No such thing happened in any US court of law.


YOu need to watch more news that is not left filtered. CN. MSNBC. CBS.NBC,ABC, NPR teh NYT and WAPO barely spent any time talking about how and why court cases were not heard! Just that the judges refused to hear them!

If you doubt these are nothing but shills for teh socialist left? Just listen to them talk about teh crowds today and the ugly language they used to describe them right wing folk and how they did not use the same language for teh rioters, arsonists, rapers, looters and ones who took control of parts of cities. It makes you want to puke!

I think that whoever did harm to day should go to jail. But I also believe every single person who stole, burned, took control or did other harm on the left- should go to jail as well!
 
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I served in the Marines so you're judgement is wrong

We were trained to follow orders and that's what good Marines and Soldiers do.
They're not lawyers and might not know what is actually and unlawful order or not

Chemical weapons are absolutely illegal. Period.

If you didn't get the LOAC training mandated by law for every person in uniform, your chain of command was faulty...criminal, in fact. But your commanders surely knew the law on chemical weapons.
 
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Hey you do realize Jesus Christ was a Jew. And the Bible is very very clear even with all the problems Jews are still God's chosen people. You talk about Joe's son in China, what about Donald an Russia? Here's a fact for you Donald Trump has long since been suspected of tampering with the 2016 election using Russia, he is also on record is asking if he could pardon himself on that meaning he is probably guilty of it. Think about that tampering with an election by using a hostile foreign power. We may not be at war with Russia but we're not friends. And by the way Donny boy is also in bed with China so it's kind of moot. But let's get back to the Jewish comment,I am so sick to death of Christians or people who CLAIM to be Christian having a problem with Jewish people. In the Bible despite all the punishments that come their way God has always specifically said the Jews were his chosen people. oh you guys who have problems with juice and are racist and prejudice towards them are going to have a real problem come judgment Day.
I was trying to say that he has done good things Israel and the Israelis. The best people in my life are Jewish I don't know what comment you are talking about. I agree with you 100%.
 
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Not chemical weapons. The military would stand down first.

In view of posse comitatus, I suspect the military would refuse to fire on American citizens; and that wouldn't be coming from the lower-ranking troops, that would be coming from the top echelons of the brass. our military officers know what the Constitution says, even if our politicians don't.

Machines have been checked and an employee working for the manufacture Dominion, is suing Trump for the false accusations about the system.

What does this tell us? ;)

If shots get fired, it's going to get ugly fast.

And what if it spills over into the country at large, and doesn't remain confined to D.C.? Oh my, oh my.

Military commanders are trained to follow lawful orders. They are required to disobey unlawful orders, even from the president.

Thank you, my brother-in-arms, for pointing that out; I get so tired of having to explain that fact over and over and over again to civilians. :)

The use of chemical weapons is totally unlawful. The US does not even have chemical weapons in its arsenals--that is even unlawful. Everybody involved would go to prison.

We get explicit training on that every year.

Yes, indeed. We also got training on how to protect ourselves from the chemical weapons the enemy might use against us. When I was overseas, I was assigned to my squadron's gross area decontamination team, as well as the EOD detachment.

It's obvious we're living in a different time. Nothing that happens should surprise us. We saw the handwriting on the wall last year.

I think we're moving rapidly into unprecedented territory. If the rule of law disintegrates, anything is possible.

I served in the Marines so you're judgement is wrong

We were trained to follow orders and that's what good Marines and Soldiers do.
They're not lawyers and might not know what is actually and unlawful order or not

Can't speak for the Marines, but in the Air Force, we were trained that you never followed an unlawful order; and we were given examples of such. I remember one instructor, a major, who told us, "You don't just blindly follow orders. If you do that, you end up being no better than the guys who said, 'I had nothing against the Jews---I was only following orders.'"
 
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It comes down to that fact that the man is pro life and Joe is not. The blood of the unborn is on the hands of all that vote for anyone pro choice. soon you tax money will be paying for murder! It already pays for the sex change of people in prison.
 
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I think we're moving rapidly into unprecedented territory. If the rule of law disintegrates, anything is possible.

Every man for himself. Survival of the fittest. You know the drill.

Adversity is the greatest truth serum. That's when you discover what's in your tank.

Yours in His Service,

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It comes down to that fact that the man is pro life and Joe is not. The blood of the unborn is on the hands of all that vote for anyone pro choice. soon you tax money will be paying for murder! It already pays for the sex change of people in prison.


And you ,of course, do not believe that abortions can be fought with proper lawful procedure? Trump supporters are willing to kill right now to keep Trump in power, not to keep abortion out. They've planned this for a long time and now they thought they could just take over the Capitol and keep their little Mussolini in power. There was nothing peaceful about this attempted coup! It was sedition and treason.
 
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Could we be inching closer to civil war?

It's a worthy question.

And the answer is this: ONLY IF the elected authorities continue to allow insurrectionists to have free reign, without consequences, as they destroy property, attack innocent and peaceful people, etc. as we saw this past year happen in Kenosha, Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, and other of our large cities.

If the law enforcement officials do their jobs, there will be nothing approaching civil war. But if the elected officials side with the Antifa types, there is a chance of it getting out of hand. Actually, there is already evidence of that happening. Check the statistics for all manner of violent crime in our cities since those earlier riots and anyone can see that lawlessness begets lawlessness, even when what was claimed during the original riots to be the purpose behind them is no longer a factor.


Not surprised at any of what happened today, and I think most of what happened to today at the Capital was legal and Constitutional (Obviously breaking and entering and any other kind of violence is wrong).

For years, I've noted that people do one of two extremes with conservatives. 1) They usually don't really take them seriously. or 2) They go to the extreme of making all conservatives "right wing extremists" like the Oklahoma City bomber. But in the last decades it is more option 1.

There are a lot of angry conservatives who have been angry for a long time, especially going back to things like the tea party. As I've told my friends, at some time Republicans are going to need to riot etc. because in large they are not really taken seriously, they are too well behaved etc.

Anyway I think people should count their blessings. Probably Half the people who attended this "mostly peaceful protest" are most likely gun owners who left their weapons at home. And in spite of the unrest, I will note their much less brick throwing and dumpster fires than when the other side has their "mostly peaceful protests".

Anyway I've been expecting this sort of thing for years. Actually when Obama was in office, I thought there would be a national gun confiscation bill of "Assault Weapons" that would spark some kind of insurrection, but that hasn't happened yet.
 
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And you ,of course, do not believe that abortions can be fought with proper lawful procedure? Trump supporters are willing to kill right now to keep Trump in power, not to keep abortion out. They've planned this for a long time and now they thought they could just take over the Capitol and keep their little Mussolini in power. There was nothing peaceful about this attempted coup! It was sedition and treason.
Come on man are you on drugs or something? Uncle corn cob was a bad bad man!
 
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What worries me about this article is Trump lost and the man and many republicans are fighting this hard. What scares me about Trump is he wants to be king an know one seems to care.

Your linked "article" was propagandist rubbish.

Trump no more wants to be "king" than you want to eat maggot-infested roadkill. This idea about Trump is Leftist nonsense. What he does want - and is entirely entitled to - is a fair election. Sadly, the political Establishment in America is determined to have Biden in the White House, so Trump is powerless to do anything. Imagine how much more powerless the individual American is! It looks to me like it won't be long now until Americans find out! They've allowed the temperature to be turned up on their liberties and they will shortly find them boiled entirely away.

And Xi Xiping claps his hands with glee.
 
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