As believers we have duty to contend for the faith

[mikeforjesus]

The bible says let everything that has breath praise the Lord so might we say this means let everything that still has a spirit that has breath that is which is free to praise the Lord be saved so that excludes people who die without having repented genuinely from their heart that still has ability to respond to the Holy Spirit and is not completely deadened and worthy of life again to respond to the Spirit again can praise Him and also not those who receive the mark of the beast who are just to be examples of God wrath to those still alive

 

[Saint Steven]

The bible says let everything that has breath praise the Lord so might we say this means let everything that still has a spirit that has breath that is which is free to praise the Lord be saved so that excludes people who die without having repented genuinely from their heart that still has ability to respond to the Holy Spirit and is not completely deadened and worthy of life again to respond to the Spirit again can praise Him and also not those who receive the mark of the beast who are just to be examples of God wrath to those still alive

How is "repented genuinely" measured?
Did you repent "genuinely" enough? (who can say) Was it enough to be saved? (who knows?)

You seem to put too much weight on our part and not enough on God's part. IMHO

Did Jesus do enough to save us? Absolutely.

 

[mikeforjesus]

One has repented genuinely if one is truly sorry seeking the Lord and this is proven by God allowing him to find the truth and having true repentance he must be given opportunity to repent to be able to obey all what one can do to make sure one has left all sins and fulfilled all the commandments.
It could be possible however true repentance could happen without having opportunity to do all things if one is truly sorry and God alone can decide if the person has truly repented and is really sorry and for Him to grant repentance to a person who seeks Him but that may not be promised for Jesus says many are called but few are chosen so it is expected one finds the opportunity to do all Christ commandments

the bible says seek the Lord while He may be found. Call upon Him while He is near. If one purposely delays one could seek the Lord and yet die before he finds the truth and repents

 

[Saint Steven]

One has repented genuinely if one is truly sorry seeking the Lord and this is proven by God allowing him to find the truth and having true repentance he must be given opportunity to repent to be able to obey all what one can do to make sure one has left all sins and fulfilled all the commandments.
It could be possible however true repentance could happen without having opportunity to do all things if one is truly sorry and God alone can decide if the person has truly repented and is really sorry and for Him to grant repentance to a person who seeks Him but that may not be promised for Jesus says many are called but few are chosen so it is expected one finds the opportunity to do all Christ commandments

the bible says seek the Lord while He may be found. Call upon Him while He is near. If one purposely delays one could seek the Lord and yet die before he finds the truth and repents
It is possible true sorrow is enough if one is granted that spirit of repentance and being willing to do all things

None of that can be measured.

I suggest that salvation is based on the one thing we can measure. The finished work of Christ on our behalf. We come to him empty-handed. No one is saved by any amount of sincerity. IMHO

Romans 4:4-5
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Do you think it is a Christians duty to governor over believers of faith?

 

[revybub]

Do you think it is a Christians duty to governor over believers of faith?

I wouldn't say govern. But we are to hold each other up in brotherly or sisterly love. Rebuking if needed. But in love.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Agree with above people need to show concern over false teaching which may harm others and oneself yet still show concern for person who teaches wrong. I feel it is only one duty to teach it is wrong and warn it is not acceptable you can’t accept to support others to ignore such a person who may not be willing to be forced to change his beliefs and yet harm him as he still could be in need sometime and one is responsible to help one in need but the responsibility to change is on the other

 

[sparow]

I believe more that the bible does not teach everyone will be saved I just wonder does the bible teach some sodomites will be saved ? I thought maybe some sodomites will be saved but that may not be true

Matthew 16:34-38
34 When He had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, “Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 35 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it. 36 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? 37 Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?38 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

1 Peter 4:17-18
17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 Now “If the righteous one is scarcely saved,Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”

It seems I have already denied Him as the bible says whoever draws back My soul has no pleasure in him. The bible says it is impossible to renew those who fall away that is unless they return back and seek Him diligently. I drawed back because I wanted assurance I will be saved because I thought it would be too difficult to find His way and did not commit to being a disciple so I listened to some universalists a long while ago and got deceived. I stopped believing in it as there were many verses which seem against it and what if I am wrong I concluded I did not need to look deeply on other verses but I was given an explanation which convinced me the verses may not be obvious but I never researched it well


Those Christians who do not believe in eternal judgement as Paul says is the elementary principles in Hebrews May be saved if they persevere and repent but they will not attain to all the rewards of those who win others to Christ unless they are renewed. Everyone who repents and wins others to Christ can have the same reward but maybe temporarily in heaven others will be higher. Only God knows if one who is a universalist will be saved we can not blame them for their beliefs if that is what they believe but we also don’t know if they will be saved but we need to be concerned about multitudes going to hell believing in it.

It is time we defend the faith against universalism if we care or I suppose it is everyone own duty to find out the truth for themselves as they are responsible for themselves or believe it is false and it is my duty to know the truth to help save many

Malachi 2:17
You have wearied the LORD with your words; yet you ask, "How have we wearied Him?" By saying, "All who do evil are good in the sight of the LORD, and in them He delights," or, "Where is the God of justice?"


the bible says this gospel which is the true gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to the nations and then the end will come it may be too late to repent then as the bible says all will follow the beast whose names are not written in the book of life maybe it just means when the 2 witnesses preach only those who believe will be able to make the decision not to accept the mark but maybe only the Jews will have the chance to accept the gospel if they have not already knowingly accepted the beast and the times of the gentiles are fulfilled when the gospel is preached in all the world or that is their last chance to accept Christ before antichrist appears but perhaps those who accepted Christ and repented and were ready will be raptured or will be ready during the tribulation to help minister to others

the bible says

2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

The people who are not saved are those of the second resurrection, who surround the New Jerusalem; referred to as Gog and his armies.

One man was saved from Sodom, Lot, and had Lot been perfect, had one man been perfect God would have saved all of Sodom; if this is the teaching of the Sodom story, then the Jesus story should be the same concept; but the Jesus story is where repentance is required for salvation. I believe the concepts are the same, but presented using different levels of abstraction. Because all have fallen short Jesus has the choice of who is in His kingdom.

 

[sparow]

I think the real problem is taking the position that anyone who doesn't agree with your particular man-made doctrinal opinion is "creeping in" with "destructive heresies" and "blaspheming the truth". I think that does more damage than letting everyone have their own opinion without being labeled as a "blaspheming heretic".

It is not easy; I believe it is every man for himself; that is we cannot believe anything we hear and only half of what we see. Not just religion but what is coming upon the earth via our politicians and their bosses. Blaspheming is opposing God, heresy is opposing the beast and the church on it's back.

 

[Saint Steven]

It is not easy; I believe it is every man for himself; that is we cannot believe anything we hear and only half of what we see. Not just religion but what is coming upon the earth via our politicians and their bosses. Blaspheming is opposing God, heresy is opposing the beast and the church on it's back.

Which half of your post should I believe? Or am I on my own? - lol

 

[sparow]

Which half of your post should I believe? Or am I on my own? - lol

There is a thread you maybe interested in, if I knew how to direct you there: this may do it

I just feel like I want revenge | Page 2 | Christian Forums

 

[mikeforjesus]

There are some letters attributed to Jerome but others claim it is probably not him that seems to suggest that he believed that the people of sodom who were punished would be restored and there are other letters attributed to him that are probably not from him known as pseudo Jerome and it is so with other church father writings it seems some people knew about the existence of such writings so they wrote other wrong things attributive to them. They are some of the false teachings that were written and kept in generations

 

[mikeforjesus]

It is important to contend for faith as the punishment of people is either heaven or hell those who did not get a chance who never had chance to hear gospel to be able to test to know for sure if it is true if they are not old enough to be able to believe and know for sure it is true to test other false beliefs if they never got chance they get chance in world to come if they seeked God and worshipped Him following their conscience but there is only heaven and hell as bible says the Lord has made all for Himself even the wicked for the day of doom and God kingdom rules over all

 

[SkyWriting]

It is important to contend for faith as the punishment of people is either heaven or hell those who did not get a chance who never had chance to hear gospel to be able to test to know for sure if it is true if they are not old enough to be able to believe and know for sure it is true to test other false beliefs if they never got chance they get chance in world to come if they seeked God and worshipped Him following their conscience but there is only heaven and hell as bible says the Lord has made all for Himself even the wicked for the day of doom and God kingdom rules over all

Hell is limited to people who reject God and is not a punishment.
Hell is a "natural" result of being a spirit that rejects God.
You can't be forgiven if you don't accept forgiveness.
That's Hell.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I agree but every sin not repented of shows one is in state of rejecting God and if person refuses to repent of what he knows is wrong and he dies he rejects God and one can die at anytime

 

[SkyWriting]

I agree but every sin not repented of shows one is in state of rejecting God and if person refuses to repent of what he knows is wrong and he dies he rejects God and one can die at anytime

God only sees the heart and judges by the heart.
Man is really bad at judging. Not accurate and doesn't know everything.
So we are clueless who is saved and who is not.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I agree people don’t know everything that is why God has more patience with others bible says judge nothing before the time we don’t know people intentions if they had knowledge or circumstances if one does not know how to get out of a difficult situation God may be patient and when He judges He considers if one did not have as much knowledge or could not when one sees be able to know what is most right to make a decision Jesus said to him who is given more more is required but we know if they did have knowledge they would have to account for more

 

[Saint Steven]

... You can't be forgiven if you don't accept forgiveness. ...

I don't think that works in either the physical, or spiritual realms.

If I forgive someone, they are forgiven, whether they want, or accept, my forgiveness.

The power of forgiveness is not in the transgressor, but in the transgressed. As I understand it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

God only sees the heart and judges by the heart.
Man is really bad at judging. Not accurate and doesn't know everything.
So we are clueless who is saved and who is not.

But we can say Mormons are not saved because they reject essential truths in God’s Word.
The same is true of saying that an atheist is not saved. They don’t believe in Jesus.
I believe the Bible teaches that those who justify sin in some way are not going to make it.
I know it’s not a popular teaching in the church, but I believe it is true because the New Testament teaches it on almost every page in some way. One has to either ignore or change the Word of God at every turn when they read the Bible to make a sin and still be saved type of belief work. It just doesn’t add up with a plain and normal reading of the Bible.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Anyways, this video is pretty good at what we should do involving the topic of judging:

Side Note:

Please take note that I do not believe everything Alan Ballou says or teaches. I just happen to agree with the majority of his teaching in this video.