NJ Rep cites Constitution to avoid swearing in GOP "Traitors."

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As two-thirds of House Republicans support the Texas election suit, a Democrat called them ‘traitors.’

With nearly two-thirds of House Republicans supporting Texas’s lawsuit seeking to overturn the election in the U.S. Supreme Court, a Democratic House member on Friday called the Republicans “traitors” and urged the House’s Democratic leadership not to seat the Republicans when the 117th Congress convenes in January.

The congressman, Bill Pascrell Jr. of New Jersey, cited a Reconstruction-era passage of the 14th Amendment disqualifying elected officials who “have engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the United States.

“The actions of any of our colleagues to demolish democracy, regardless of party affiliation, must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms,” Mr. Pascrell said in his letter. “The fate of our democracy depends on us.”

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, known as the disqualification clause, was originally enacted to limit the influence of former Confederates in the Reconstruction era. It has been used occasionally since. Victor L. Berger, a member of the Socialist Party of America, was repeatedly prevented from taking his seat by a House resolution after winning election in 1919 because he had been convicted under the Espionage Act.

The consequences for trying to overthrow an election might be dire, indeed...


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Pandering to idiot voters is not treason. Actually the gross misuse of accusations of treason led to it being specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Calling the foolishness and gross misunderstanding of the exhibited by those signing on the requests to submit briefs does not even come close. And in many cases it is not clear from the documents actually submitted even which side they would have supported if allowed to submit. Oh we know, but it would be inuendo and hearsay, nothing more.

No this is not the path to take.

Those urging seccision could be a different story. Especially if there is anything even close to taking up arms. I'd personally prefer charges of sedition over treason because of the constitutional issues with treason.
 
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Let's not encourage grandstanding of this sort.
Agree insofar as “traitor” is a bit OTT but there needs to be some sort of rhetorical response...this is a provocation.
If there’s no pushback (not implying you said that), it won’t stop.
 
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Agree insofar as “traitor” is a bit OTT but there needs to be some sort of rhetorical response...this is a provocation.
If there’s no pushback (not implying you said that), it won’t stop.
That would look a lot like punishing people for exercising their constitutional rights and appropriate legal procedures.
 
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Pandering to idiot voters is not treason. Actually the gross misuse of accusations of treason led to it being specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Calling the foolishness and gross misunderstanding of the exhibited by those signing on the requests to submit briefs does not even come close. And in many cases it is not clear from the documents actually submitted even which side they would have supported if allowed to submit. Oh we know, but it would be inuendo and hearsay, nothing more.

No this is not the path to take.

Those urging seccision could be a different story. Especially if there is anything even close to taking up arms. I'd personally prefer charges of sedition over treason because of the constitutional issues with treason.

"Pandering to idiot voters is not treason."
Is that how you really see people who actually take time to vote?
 
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Unless we hold them accountable, this nightmare can become a regular occurrence.
I concur. Throw the bums out.

Shall we hold you accountable or does this way of thinking only Go one direction?
 
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"Pandering to idiot voters is not treason."
Is that how you really see people who actually take time to vote?
@keith99 didn't describe all voters as idiots: only those who still believe Trump won the election a whole month after it became clear that Biden won on 11/7, Trump's court cases were rejected, and all states certified their votes.

Mind you I don't like the word "idiots."
 
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As two-thirds of House Republicans support the Texas election suit, a Democrat called them ‘traitors.’



The consequences for trying to overthrow an election might be dire, indeed...


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@keith99 didn't describe all voters as idiots: only those who still believe Trump won the election a whole month after it became clear that Biden won on 11/7, Trump's court cases were rejected, and all states certified their votes.

Mind you I don't like the word "idiots" myself.

I know exactly what he meant. I saw the same thing when it was Trump who cheated and stole the election. Was it helpful, no it wasn't.
 
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"Pandering to idiot voters is not treason."
Is that how you really see people who actually take time to vote?

Just the ones who will fall for any idiotic conspiracy theory rather than admit they lost.
 
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I know exactly what he meant. I saw the same thing when it was Trump who cheated and stole the election. Was it helpful, no it wasn't.

If you're referring to the 2016 election, even Donald thought that was rigged.
 
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That would look a lot like punishing people for exercising their constitutional rights and appropriate legal procedures.
You mean like this?

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Or this?

Texas GOP chair floats secession for 'law-abiding states' after Supreme Court defeat

The chair of the Texas Republican Party appeared to float secession after the Supreme Court shot down a lawsuit led by the Lone Star State seeking to overturn the results of the presidential election.

Texas GOP chair Allen West rebuked the high court in a statement, saying that "law-abiding states" should "form a Union" after the decision throwing out the lawsuit from Texas.

After all, it was this kind of insurrection and secession nonsense which led to the writing of the disqualification clause in the first place.
 
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"Pandering to idiot voters is not treason."
Is that how you really see people who actually take time to vote?

He’s referring to the ones who’ve swallowed Donald’s propaganda.

But let me flip that around - your side has implied that millions of Dem voters are fraudsters, unamerican, and/or somehow otherwise unworthy of voting in the first place. If you want to take umbrage at folks insulting “people who actually take the time to vote,” then you ought to look at the Republicans.
 
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He’s referring to the ones who’ve swallowed Donald’s propaganda.

But let me flip that around - your side has implied that millions of Dem voters are fraudsters, unamerican, and/or somehow otherwise unworthy of voting in the first place. If you want to take umbrage at folks insulting “people who actually take the time to vote,” then you ought to look at the Republicans.

Actually I do. Neither side excepts me. I have a brother who calls me a traitor right now and won't speak to me because I won't grab a rifle and March in support of Trump. Poor poor pitiful me, I know.
 
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If you're referring to the 2016 election, even Donald thought that was rigged.

It's surprising to see a non politician make it to the top right off the bat. You would think the rest of them would get the hint that we don't like the way things are going. Instead they just double down on how we are all to dumb to know what we want.
 
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It was never "the same thing." Hillary conceded the next morning. While we believed there was Russian interference, we watched in silent horror as our nation skidded downhill until the House gained the majority. By then he had merited impeachment ten times over, but because the AG ignored subpoenas to provide evidence and the Senate displayed the same lack of integrity that 126 House members just did, it went nowhere.

And so 80 million Americans decided to do what the impeachment failed to do.

I would think the past 38 days have shown what he thinks of democracy and the Constitution. SMH.
 
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It's surprising to see a non politician make it to the top right off the bat.

Donald had fame, money, and an overarching desire to acquire more at any cost. It's not hard to see how such qualities endeared him to a sizable chunk of American society.

You would think the rest of them would get the hint that we don't like the way things are going.

When you think about it, however, Donald wasn't really much of a change -- he was spouting the usual right-wind talking points... just louder.

He really sold his base on the "novelty" of a non-politician... and became a novelty president as a result.

Instead they just double down on how we are all to dumb to know what we want.

Would you have known if Donald hadn't told you?
 
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