Is smoking marijuana a sin?

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You're answering to a post that stated:

You cant use marijuana without getting high and altering your state of consciousness.

Yet your reply saying they are wrong is not about marijuana, its about it's derivatives, so your post only makes you seem despsrate, as in, you have the need to be dishonest in order to win your argument.

do you actually hear yourself?

THC is the active Canabinoid that causes altered consciousness when taken at a large enough dose. No other element of marijuana alters consciousness.
when you use THC, you are using marijuana...period.

By your logic, using the cannabis oil Vape pens they have now do not constitute “using marijuana”
Not one single jurisdiction in the United States agrees with that assessment.
They are synonymous.

@friend of was 100% incorrect.
And now so are you.

the fact remains, you can indeed use marijuana without getting high.
 
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"Man attacks another man for absolutely no reason". Happens often in Australia. It's so prevalent that it is a separate criminal offence from assault. Now if 90% of cheeseburger eaters attacked someone after eating one, you'd have a case. You do not.
Wait, what?
90% of marijuana users attack someone after using it?
Source?
 
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the fact remains, you can indeed use marijuana without getting high.

No, you can use a derivitive of marijuana without getting high (meaning it is no longer marijuana) or a very low grade, made for hemp pot, but I gave up on trying to explain that to you, as you clearly are unable to comprehend the simple facts.

You didn't answer my question, are you a pot smoker? You are under no obligation to answer, but just want to make sure you didn't miss the question.
 
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So anything were addicted to right?
Yes. Many addictions are quite legal but not at all good for us. Food is an obvious one. God includes self control as part of the fruit of the Spirit.
It was the very last thing Jesus did before dying on the cross:

JOHN 19:28-30 28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He delivered up His spirit.
A number of scholars believe that "sour wine" is vinegar, not alcoholic wine.
 
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Is this based on any objective studies, or is this just your opinion?
Objective studies and 50 years of observations. I had to ask a dope smoking acquaintance to leave my house because it became clear that he was off his head. I'd given him a place to stay because I'd known him 20 years previously. I did not know how deep in he was. MJ is now genetically modified and is way more powerful than when I first came across users. (I've never tried it, I was too busy trying to drink myself to death). My acquaintance was a Christian, a schoolteacher, and away with the pixies. He believes that Star Trek is a documentary and that we are about to be invaded by aliens. He knows this because they speak to him from the spacecraft that encircle the globe.
 
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So, Jesus didn't ask for "sour wine," also known as vinegar, or for any wine, in fact, but had it chosen for him by one of the guards at his crucifixion, given to Jesus on sponge, just before he died. And this is supposed to somehow justify drinking wine "because Jesus did"? Really? Wow. Grasp at straws much?
Not justifying anything. Just answering the question posed “where does the Bible say Jesus ever drank wine”

Now God did say he made vegetation so man could make wine wine that “makes the heart glad”:
“He causes the grass to grow for the cattle, And vegetation for the labor of man, So that he may bring forth food from the earth, And wine which makes man's heart glad, So that he may make his face glisten with oil, And food which sustains man's heart. The trees of the LORD drink their fill, The cedars of Lebanon which He planted,”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭104:14-16‬ ‭NASB

You are of course free to disagree with God on this.
 
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No, you can use a derivitive of marijuana without getting high (meaning it is no longer marijuana) or a very low grade, made for hemp pot, but I gave up on trying to explain that to you, as you clearly are unable to comprehend the simple facts.

You didn't answer my question, are you a pot smoker? You are under no obligation to answer, but just want to make sure you didn't miss the question.
I was. In my 20’s but that was 30 years ago.
I no longer smoke pot but I can assure you the THC and CBD “derivatives” I can find in any number of dispensaries in my neighborhood are not made from the “hemp pot” but are made from high grade cannabis.
 
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A cheeseburger is not going to make you psychotic. Marijuana can. It's not worth the risk. I know enough dope smokers to know what I'm talking about. There is a reason why it's called dope.

Marijuana has no long term effects. It does not make a person psychotic. The worst effect of marijuana is it makes people lazy and content and even that is only temporary. The effects of marijuana typically last about 4-6 hours.
 
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Do you know what a derivitive is? It is derived from the plant, and it is not marijuana.

it is a part of cannabis. Or do you want to say that cannabis is fine it is the intoxicant THC derivative that is sin?
(and ultimately both are good things, provided not used in excess. Low THC potency marijuana/cannabis can be used without getting stoned, just like wine with food you have to know when to cut it off and be done)
Ephesians 5:18 doesn't say don't ever drink wine, Ephesians 5:18 says don't be drunk on it, from drinking excess.
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
There's a lot of things that in our Christian liberty, we're permitted to do, say, and use, but there is a line in doing, saying, or using these things, where something that is not sin, becomes sin.
You're permitted to have wine, you're not permitted to drink excess and get drunk.
It requires judgement and self control and guidance from the spirit.
 
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Sugar is certainly bad for you if over consumed but I don't believe the 'addiction' is even close to that of a real addiction to substances like nicotine and marijuana. Neither is it illegal.
Smoking is a disgusting habit that directly effects those nearby. I have a great sensitivity to smoke, even if a customer comes to my door who has recently smoked is enough for my airways to start closing down making me gasp for air. Sound pleasant? No it isn't.

Marijuana is addictive in the same way that sugar, video games, and social media are addictive.. not addictive in the same way that nicotine, alcohol, or heroin are addictive.
A person who is "addicted" to Marijuana and quits... just has a desire to use marijuana again. But if they can't.. they may not be happy, but they'll live and go on with their lives.
A person who's addicted to alcohol and suddenly quits, can have delerium tremens and choke to death in a seizure.
There's a huge difference.
 
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Marijuana has no long term effects. It does not make a person psychotic. The worst effect of marijuana is it makes people lazy and content and even that is only temporary. The effects of marijuana typically last about 4-6 hours.

maybe if eaten but if smoked or vaporized the psychological effects last maybe 2 hours.
.. thankfully the antiinflammatory effects last much longer for me.
 
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“where does the Bible say Jesus ever drank wine”
Luke 7:33-35
For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, “He has a demon”; the Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, “Look, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax-collectors and sinners!” Nevertheless, wisdom is vindicated by all her children.’​

I have heard medical people argue that cannabis can be very helpful in the management of a number of conditions, and may indeed to preferable to some of the common things used for long term chronic pain and the like.

In general I try to avoid things that mean I am not in control, however there is a question of context, purpose and intent. I have smelled cannabis being smoked and I didn't like the smell, however as I have never smoked it, so it is way outside of any realm of experience.

I guess the 'WHY?' questions are:
  • Why does a person smoke/want to smoke Marijuana - for the person contemplating the act
  • Why is it a sin - for those who would want to condemn the act
The questions of context, purpose and intent may of course end up without a one size fits all answer for the question posed in the op.
 
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Objective studies
Great. Which ones?
Can you point me to a single objective study that agrees with your assessment that “ in most cases marijuana use is harmful”

all the studies I am aware of actually find the opposite to be true.

As for your personal observations they are of course skewed to your personal circle and experience, and are therefore ineffectual at determining whether or not it is harmful (or not) in “most cases“.
 
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Part of, but not canibus, not marijuana.



This has nothing to do with wine. You'll need to go back to my first post here to see what I said about sorcery, and see how I proved out my point on that..

Cannabis is the plant
and THC is a derivative.
You can have Cannabis with low THC.
 
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