Teaching bibles view of sexual ethics could be hateful under new law

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Surrey Police investigation over 'misgendering' tweets

Police who warned man about 'transphobic' tweet acted unlawfully

Mum spared jail for calling trans woman 'pig in a wig' on Twitter | Metro News

Arrests for 'offensive' Twitter and Facebook messages up by a third

Social Media Arrests Are Surging In London

Police arresting nine people a day in fight against web trolls | News | The Times

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10162480/police-transgender-woman-investigate-inappropriate content/

There's nothing decent about submitting to reality-denying pronoun bullies.

Ironically, if they didn't go about demanding it in the most obnoxious ways possible, I'd be much more inclined to accommodate them.

I knew you were not telling the truth. Nobody is going to prison for accidentally using the wrong pronoun. The police are just cracking down on online bullying and harassment.

And I say amen to that. Online bullying is a real problem and needs to be dealt with.
 
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I knew you were not telling the truth. Nobody is going to prison for accidentally using the wrong pronoun. The police are just cracking down on online bullying and harassment.

And I say amen to that. Online bullying is a real problem and needs to be dealt with.

I never said anything about, "accidentally".

Your deficient reading comprehension notwithstanding, the smug moralistic tyranny advocated & espoused in your post only leads to violence.

Paradoxically, it also diminishes the very tolerance/acceptance you claim to desire, never remembering tolerance is a two-way street.
 
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I never said anything about, "accidentally".

Your deficient reading comprehension notwithstanding, the smug moralistic tyranny advocated & espoused in your post only leads to violence.

Paradoxically, it also diminishes the very tolerance/acceptance you claim to desire, never remembering tolerance is a two-way street.

Punishing online bullying and harassment is not "moralistic tyranny"
 
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Punishing online bullying and harassment is not "moralistic tyranny"

Locking people in a cage for not using your proscribed language and feeling morally justified in doing so is the definition of moralistic tyranny.
 
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Locking people in a cage for not using your proscribed language and feeling morally justified in doing so is the definition of moralistic tyranny.

Reading stuff like this is infuriating when we have children killing themselves because of online bullying. But I guess that is a price you're willing to pay for "muh freedom hurr durr"
 
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Reading stuff like this is infuriating when we have children killing themselves because of online bullying. But I guess that is a price you're willing to pay for "muh freedom hurr durr"
That's a feature, not a bug. The social taboo and abuse of those who violate is a tool.
 
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Surrey Police investigation over 'misgendering' tweets

Police who warned man about 'transphobic' tweet acted unlawfully

Mum spared jail for calling trans woman 'pig in a wig' on Twitter | Metro News

Arrests for 'offensive' Twitter and Facebook messages up by a third

Social Media Arrests Are Surging In London

Police arresting nine people a day in fight against web trolls | News | The Times

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10162480/police-transgender-woman-investigate-inappropriate content/

There's nothing decent about submitting to reality-denying pronoun bullies.

Ironically, if they didn't go about demanding it in the most obnoxious ways possible, I'd be much more inclined to accommodate them.
Calling the authorities "reality-denying pronoun bullies" is a dead giveaway that you are defending statements that go beyond any basis is scripture. What "reality" are these "bullies" denying?
 
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Calling the authorities "reality-denying pronoun bullies" is a dead giveaway that you are defending statements that go beyond any basis is scripture. What "reality" are these "bullies" denying?

Lets start with Biology. Putting on a baseball cap, changing a few letters in your name and forcing people to ignore good grammar doesn't make Ms. Page any less of a female.
 
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Reading stuff like this is infuriating when we have children killing themselves because of online bullying. But I guess that is a price you're willing to pay for "muh freedom hurr durr"

I'm not unsympathetic to kids being bullied online. But sterilizing the digital isn't how you address that. First, it's impossible. Second, if you really care about your kid, teach them how to safely conduct themselves online.

Step 1 is keeping them off social media platforms that dox them to the world as a function of the platform.
 
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I'm not unsympathetic to kids being bullied online. But sterilizing the digital isn't how you address that. First, it's impossible. Second, if you really care about your kid, teach them how to safely conduct themselves online.

Step 1 is keeping them off social media platforms that dox them to the world as a function of the platform.

Or you could punish people who bully and harass others on the internet. Why are you trying to protect bullies?
 
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Or you could punish people who bully and harass others on the internet. Why are you trying to protect bullies?

This statement betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of the internet. You have to, first, identify someone before doing anything to them.

And 2nd, yea I defend the right of "bullies" to have free speech.

But since you want to criminalize this sort of thing, you're going to have to define what bullying is, and what qualifies someone as a bully. Because so far, you've only defined a bully as someone you don't agree with.
 
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Lets start with Biology. Putting on a baseball cap, changing a few letters in your name and forcing people to ignore good grammar doesn't make Ms. Page any less of a female.
Snarky comments like that seem have very little to do with scripture and everything to do with a hateful attitude. Try again.
 
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Snarky comments like that seem have very little to do with scripture and everything to do with a hateful attitude. Try again.

No, I'll stick with Biology. I don't need to contort my argument to match your particular view of the Scriptures.
 
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No, I'll stick with Biology. I don't need to contort my argument to match your particular view of the Scriptures.
You don't know what my view of the scriptures is--it may be that I would agree with you about it but your unpleasant attitude gets in the way.
 
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Lets start with Biology. Putting on a baseball cap, changing a few letters in your name and forcing people to ignore good grammar doesn't make Ms. Page any less of a female.

If your going to argue biology maybe understand it. I know this is worded wrong, but we knot that there can be a disconnect between someones sex and gender physically with the body and genitals, why when it's the brain and such people suddenly act like it's different? If someone can present as female but but geneticly male why can't the brain be the same?
 
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What do you think brothers and sisters?
I looked at the web page with this article. One thing stands out > the list of articles pretty much all about things which mean there is some threat against Christians.

And the article did not have much to help a person to know how to handle the supposed problem.

So, if most of their writings are about things claimed to be against Christians . . . while they say nothing or little about how God's word says to deal with real persecution . . . why?

Jesus does say to expect to be persecuted, doesn't He? And He says to rejoice when people speak against us falsely . . . for His name's sake.

But I have a way of not rejoicing . . . and in my mind even inventing paranoid items of ones speaking against me . . . while I am not rejoicing. So, may be I still can feed on being rejected so I can criticize others for rejecting me. It is not about Jesus. Of course, if I want to feed on being rejected, I have to invent it, pretty much . . . I now can see.

By the way . . . is it not so, how children can scream that you hate them . . . or they hate you . . . when you say no to what is not good for them?

There are things which God knows are not right for us. Among other things, there are wrong things which can help to keep us and our attention away from what is so better.

I think of this > we can point at others who are wrong, so our attention is elsewhere from dealing with how we ourselves are wrong > so I'm offering maybe something like what >
Probably better to use sexual immorality when preaching on such matters. After all, homosexuals only account for about one percent of the population. Why pay them undue attention.

I would prefer to preach against the widespread sins, such as gluttony, gambling, love of money, worldliness. The churches are swimming in these sins.
Yes, ones might be so busy with pointing their finger at certain people . . . while not dealing with their own sins which are very busy with ruining them and their lives and their health and example for their own children.

There is the attention item . . . where does our attention belong?

Why would ones constantly point the finger at others??

And why does sexual stuff get so much attention????

Interpretation of that Sta Matthew quote appears to be the sole and doubtful reference to sex in the Gospels.
So, whether there is one or one hundred references . . . sexual stuff is not an ongoing attention getting item in the Bible.

And my opinion is if we get into all the good things God's word says about how to love and relate, this can keep our attention where we belong . . . so we aren't getting into whichever things really are wrong.

But now we see so much fighting against the products, instead of what has helped to produce them. If you don't like the product, stop what has helped to produce it!!!!!
 
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If your going to argue biology maybe understand it. I know this is worded wrong, but we knot that there can be a disconnect between someones sex and gender physically with the body and genitals, why when it's the brain and such people suddenly act like it's different? If someone can present as female but but geneticly male why can't the brain be the same?

We also know some of those folks are simply autistic, and in their youth, are being convinced they're trans. They then embark on this permanent journey only to realize that wasn't the root issue they were trying to deal with, and now they're left with psychological changes that almost certainly condemn them to a life devoid of romance & companionship.

And no one is allowed to talk about this. These truths are deemed hateful, when the real hatred is letting people embark on this path with rose tinted glasses, oblivious to the path ahead. That's hatred.
 
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You don't know what my view of the scriptures is--it may be that I would agree with you about it but your unpleasant attitude gets in the way.
I think a lot of scripture deals with a lot of wrong items . . . indirectly, but by giving us what is good so we feed on what is good, so this keeps us away from what is wrong. And, like I offer, there is plenty of prevention scripture >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation," (in Philippians 2:13-16)

What I see here is that there is arguing and complaining which help to degrade us from how we can relate in genuine love. So, in becoming sensitive and strong against such fighting and fussing, we get strong in real love so we can do well in marriage and other relating.

But if children's parents are bad examples, this can help keep kids from discovering how to relate as family and in close friendship. And so, deeply, they are not satisfied and they are weak so they can get hurt and stay hurt; and in their desperation to feel some thing which seems like love, they get with peers who also are lost. And together they can go into the ditch . . . supposing that sexual stuff is real intimacy, and seeking feelings and experiences of drugs and smoking and drinking and games.

But love is so much more beneficial; and my experience is that learning how to love is the most interesting challenge and worthwhile education we can get.
 
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We also know some of those folks are simply autistic, and in their youth, are being convinced they're trans. They then embark on this permanent journey only to realize that wasn't the root issue they were trying to deal with, and now they're left with psychological changes that almost certainly condemn them to a life devoid of romance & companionship.

And no one is allowed to talk about this. These truths are deemed hateful, when the real hatred is letting people embark on this path with rose tinted glasses, oblivious to the path ahead. That's hatred.
It's talked about all the time. It just doesn't need to be talked about in a hateful way.
 
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