Did China Have An Excellent COVID Response?

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Mainstream media always criticizes America for having one of the worst COVID responses in the world. Personally, I'm very pleased with how the Trump administration responded to COVID and I have grave concerns for how the future Biden administration will shut down our country and attempt to rob us of our liberties, but that's besides the point.

When mainstream media criticizes the American response, they laud the "successful" response of other countries and China is always the first one to be mentioned. China. The most authoritarian, dictatorial government on the face of the planet. Who surveils its citizens. Who formerly taxed into poverty families that dared to have more than one child. Who determines whether or not it's legal for adult men to wear beards. China who quietly persecutes and murders religious minorities who are deemed to be anti-party.

China who physically barred its own citizens in apartment complexes and housing projects to enforce strict stay-at-home orders. China who went door to door in some cities taping up doors of private residences to enforce stay-at-home orders. China who encourages and rewards neighborly tattle-tale systems that set neighbor against neighbor. China who arrested citizens and took them to prison over violating lock-down or mask orders.

That China.

Mainstream media criticizes the American response and says that the Chinese response to control the virus has been successful.

Whenever we hold up the authoritarian regime of China as something to be lauded or emulated, something has gone horribly wrong in our thinking. Makes me wonder whether or not America's mainstream media isn't bought and paid for by someone on the other side of the planet.

So do you wish that America were more like China? Did China really have a successful COVID response?
 
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Mainstream media always criticizes America for having one of the worst COVID responses in the world. Personally, I'm very pleased with how the Trump administration responded to COVID and I have grave concerns for how the future Biden administration will shut down our country and attempt to rob us of our liberties, but that's besides the point.

When mainstream media criticizes the American response, they laud the "successful" response of other countries and China is always the first one to be mentioned. China. The most authoritarian, dictatorial government on the face of the planet. Who surveils its citizens. Who formerly taxed into poverty families that dared to have more than one child. Who determines whether or not it's legal for adult men to wear beards. China who quietly persecutes and murders religious minorities who are deemed to be anti-party.

China who physically barred its own citizens in apartment complexes and housing projects to enforce strict stay-at-home orders. China who went door to door in some cities taping up doors of private residences to enforce stay-at-home orders. China who encourages and rewards neighborly tattle-tale systems that set neighbor against neighbor. China who arrested citizens and took them to prison over violating lock-down or mask orders.

That China.

Mainstream media criticizes the American response and says that the Chinese response to control the virus has been successful.

Whenever we hold up the authoritarian regime of China as something to be lauded or emulated, something has gone horribly wrong in our thinking. Makes me wonder whether or not America's mainstream media isn't bought and paid for by someone on the other side of the planet.

So do you wish that America were more like China? Did China really have a successful COVID response?

I saw the videos of them welding doors shut and fencing in entire blocks of people. I don't want any of that.
 
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Mainstream media thinks that's an excellent COVID response.

That's the direction we are going. Why people support it is beyond me. The only thing that I can think of is that there are millions of miserable people out there and misery loves company. They see those that are happy as the enemy.
 
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That's the direction we are going. Why people support it is beyond me. The only thing that I can think of is that there are millions of miserable people out there and misery loves company. They see those that are happy as the enemy.
Then it must not be Conservatives they see, who are always miserable and whining about how liberals and globalists and atheists, etc. are all conspiring against them.
 
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Then it must not be Conservatives they see, who are always miserable and whining about how liberals and globalists and atheists, etc. are all conspiring against them.

Good morning. My life is pretty good, how about yourself? Its just a matter of time until the world finds me and brings the misery to my doorstep, I know.
 
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So would you say that China's response was excellent or successful?
They also have 22 new cases compared to USA 15,028.

It is relative, more successful than USA.

But then our tests/million pop is 5x theirs.
 
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Mainstream media always criticizes America for having one of the worst COVID responses in the world. Personally, I'm very pleased with how the Trump administration responded to COVID and I have grave concerns for how the future Biden administration will shut down our country and attempt to rob us of our liberties, but that's besides the point.

When mainstream media criticizes the American response, they laud the "successful" response of other countries and China is always the first one to be mentioned. China. The most authoritarian, dictatorial government on the face of the planet. Who surveils its citizens. Who formerly taxed into poverty families that dared to have more than one child. Who determines whether or not it's legal for adult men to wear beards. China who quietly persecutes and murders religious minorities who are deemed to be anti-party.

China who physically barred its own citizens in apartment complexes and housing projects to enforce strict stay-at-home orders. China who went door to door in some cities taping up doors of private residences to enforce stay-at-home orders. China who encourages and rewards neighborly tattle-tale systems that set neighbor against neighbor. China who arrested citizens and took them to prison over violating lock-down or mask orders.

That China.

Mainstream media criticizes the American response and says that the Chinese response to control the virus has been successful.

Whenever we hold up the authoritarian regime of China as something to be lauded or emulated, something has gone horribly wrong in our thinking. Makes me wonder whether or not America's mainstream media isn't bought and paid for by someone on the other side of the planet.

So do you wish that America were more like China? Did China really have a successful COVID response?
I think it’s just a matter of fact that authoritarian governments are able to quickly roll out the major changes (lockdowns, testing, quarantines) necessary to curb the spread of the virus. They don’t have to run anything through a democratic process and they don’t have to “worry” about opposition or violating people’s rights. It doesn’t mean authoritarian governments are good.
 
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I think it’s just a matter of fact that authoritarian governments are able to quickly roll out the major changes (lockdowns, testing, quarantines) necessary to curb the spread of the virus. They don’t have to run anything through a democratic process and they don’t have to “worry” about opposition or violating people’s rights. It doesn’t mean authoritarian governments are good.

But in order for a country to have the kind of "success" that China had, they have to be authoritarian. Is that a trade we are willing to make?
 
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They also have 22 new cases compared to USA 15,028.

It is relative, more successful than USA.

But then our tests/million pop is 5x theirs.

Idk. China isn't known for putting out realistic numbers or anything they see as weakness.
 
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Whenever we hold up the authoritarian regime of China as something to be lauded or emulated, something has gone horribly wrong in our thinking.
I have grave concerns for how the future Biden administration will shut down our country and attempt to rob us of our liberties, but that's besides the point.
Whenever we hold up the dismissive, unempathetic regime of Trump as something to be lauded or emulated, and favour the economy over human life, perhaps something has also gone horribly wrong in our thinking.

Ironically, your strawman does not trump my strawman.
 
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Whenever we hold up the dismissive, unempathetic regime of Trump as something to be lauded or emulated, and favour the economy over human life, perhaps something has also gone horribly wrong in our thinking.

Ironically, your strawman does not trump my strawman.

Does the economy have nothing to do with human life? “Human life versus the economy” is a false choice and false dichotomy.

Are you saying that you wish America were more like China?
 
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Does the economy have nothing to do with human life?
The economy has everything to do with human life, since it should operate only to support and enrich human life. But too often the economy is seen as an independent 'entity' that has its own rights, a notion encouraged by elements within some businesses and arguably implicit within the principles of raw capitalism, though I think Adam Smith would turn in his grave at the thought that is what it has become.
The way to protect the economy is to first protect human life. Those countries or regions that took early, strong, stepts to contain the epidemic are now enjoying normal, or near normal conditions and healthy (at least comparatively) economies. Fewer lifes are lost. The impact on the economy is reduced in time and overall impact.
Does the economy have nothing to do with human life? “Human life versus the economy” is a false choice and false dichotomy.
Just as well I didn't present it, other than to mirror your presentation of it in your OP. (Perhaps you didn't notice you had implicitly done so.) The primary choice is to save human life and by doing this we save the economy and thus enrich the human life we have saved. It's not rocket science.
Are you saying that you wish America were more like China?
The Chinese are forced to accept restrictions upon their freedoms that benefit them in the longer term. I wish Americans were smart enough to willingly accept restrictions on their freedoms to benefit them in the long term. Unfortunately only some of your countrymen think that way. I honour them for that perceptiveness and compassion, and hope that you might be granted similar insight.
 
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The Chinese are forced to accept restrictions upon their freedoms that benefit them in the longer term. I wish Americans were smart enough to willingly accept restrictions on their freedoms to benefit them in the long term.

I just want to focus on this one part of your response for a minute. Do you mean this only as it relates to the COVID restrictions or do you mean this in general? The Chinese have had to endure very strict COVID restrictions, but this is inseparable from the more general restrictions and lack of liberties that they face in normal circumstances.
 
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Mainstream media always criticizes America for having one of the worst COVID responses in the world.

The media's intention was to critisize Trumph, and nothing more. But in order to do that they had to criticize the country as a whole.

As to how it was handled, I think trump did just fine, and those that don't, it doesnt matter what Trump did, they will spin it as wrong.
 
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The media's intention was to critisize Trumph, and nothing more. But in order to do that they had to criticize the country as a whole.

As to how it was handled, I think trump did just fine, and those that don't, it doesnt matter what Trump did, they will spin it as wrong.

When they criticize the American response, they are criticizing American government. The media wants the government to take a more authoritarian approach. I don't know why the media wants this so much.
 
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When they criticize the American response, they are criticizing American government. The media wants the government to take a more authoritarian approach. I don't know why the media wants this so much.

Its all about biase with the media. They wanted done whatever trump was not doing, in order to show what Trump was doing must be wrong. I really belive that is all that drove the very small minded media and their lefty followers..say the opposite of what Trump does is good, and what Trump actually does is bad.

I can peretty much guarantee you that if Trump did what China did to deal with the pandemic, the media would have said it was wrong.

IOW, authoritarian is fine, as long as its different from what Trump wanted.
 
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