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Can you explain Christ coming as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16, and Christ also coming in chapter 19?

We also have the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16, with the islands and mountains being destroyed.

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Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation:


Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.


He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.


The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.


The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.


He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?


He comes on a horse in chapter 19.


He comes with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1.
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels have already been bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The Lamb comes at the 6th seal. Is on earth during the separation of the goats and sheep and the final harvest. This is the Trumpets and Thunders. The 7th Trumpet starts to sound. This is a Sunday to Sunday celebration. On Wednesday, Satan wants a break from this victory, and demands 42 months because many humans are still left in the vineyard to "just kill".

The church leaves at the 6th seal. The sheep are gone by the 6th Trumpet. The wheat is harvested by the 6th or 7th Thunder. The Lamb does not stay in Jerusalem, but returns to the sidelines. For 42 months Satan has full control. At the end, the 7 vials are poured out, the 2 witnesses leave with the very same bodies as they came with 42 months prior. No change of bodies, so no first resurrection.

Then the battle of Armageddon. Why the warning about the 6th seal as a reminder to those who missed the rapture? Why does God give any of us mortals warnings? What good is the book of Revelation to those alive on earth after the 6th seal? Is Satan going to distribute mass copies and hand them out to those left on earth, to rub it in their faces?
 
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The Lamb comes at the 6th seal. Is on earth during the separation of the goats and sheep and the final harvest. This is the Trumpets and Thunders. The 7th Trumpet starts to sound. This is a Sunday to Sunday celebration. On Wednesday, Satan wants a break from this victory, and demands 42 months because many humans are still left in the vineyard to "just kill".

The church leaves at the 6th seal. The sheep are gone by the 6th Trumpet. The wheat is harvested by the 6th or 7th Thunder. The Lamb does not stay in Jerusalem, but returns to the sidelines. For 42 months Satan has full control. At the end, the 7 vials are poured out, the 2 witnesses leave with the very same bodies as they came with 42 months prior. No change of bodies, so no first resurrection.

Then the battle of Armageddon. Why the warning about the 6th seal as a reminder to those who missed the rapture? Why does God give any of us mortals warnings? What good is the book of Revelation to those alive on earth after the 6th seal? Is Satan going to distribute mass copies and hand them out to those left on earth, to rub it in their faces?

Not so! You are not furnishing us with any evidence, only personal opinion. After Jesus comes we are into eternity. Time is finished. That does not mean events do not happen, but we are no longer governed by the sun and the moon. Time is obsolete and irrelevant.

Revelation 10:1-3: “And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.”

The symbolism and authority surrounding this great heavenly angel proves beyond a doubt that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ and a picture of His glorious Second Coming. We will the symbolism shortly.

Revelation 10:5-7 says of the Second Advent and the concluding last trumpet, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

There is clearly a major dilemma here for you those who take Revelation to be a literal chronological unfolding of last day events. They must surely concede, if they are going to be consistent with their view that everything after Revelation 11 (which also makes reference to the seventh trumpet) is in the realm of eternity and the after-life. After all Revelation 10 plainly records that with this particular event “there should be time no longer.” For those who would lightly dismiss this important narrative as anything other than a magnificent picture of the Lord Jesus Christ and His glorious second coming, they do foolishly ignore the great wealth of explicit and consistent end-time teaching on this subject and divorce the undoubted harmony of this chapter from the rest of New Testament prophetic teaching.

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Preterist, Pretribulationist or Historist positions.

The King James Version interprets the passage correctly and in context: chronos ouketi estai – literally meaning: Time – no longer – there shall be’!!!

The whole import and wording of the remainder of the passage perfectly supports the King James Version rendering and confirms the all-consummating nature of the Second Advent, which says, “when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be etelesthee (or) finished.” It should be noted that the word etelesthee is a very strong all-consummating word that is rightly translated ‘finished’ in this reading and is consistently interpreted: completed, concluded, expired and accomplished.

Revelation 11:15: “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

Verse 18 then reveals how the Second Advent ushers in the general judgment, saying, “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest (1) give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest (2) destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Pretribulationist doctrine.

At the last trumpet, Christ will “reward” the saints and “destroy” the wicked. It is “the time of the dead, that they should be judged.” One wonders how anyone could not see a general resurrection of the dead here in order to enable a general judgment.
 
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Not so! You are not furnishing us with any evidence, only personal opinion. After Jesus comes we are into eternity. Time is finished. That does not mean events do not happen, but we are no longer governed by the sun and the moon. Time is obsolete and irrelevant.

Revelation 10:1-3: “And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.”

The symbolism and authority surrounding this great heavenly angel proves beyond a doubt that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ and a picture of His glorious Second Coming. We will the symbolism shortly.

Revelation 10:5-7 says of the Second Advent and the concluding last trumpet, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

There is clearly a major dilemma here for you those who take Revelation to be a literal chronological unfolding of last day events. They must surely concede, if they are going to be consistent with their view that everything after Revelation 11 (which also makes reference to the seventh trumpet) is in the realm of eternity and the after-life. After all Revelation 10 plainly records that with this particular event “there should be time no longer.” For those who would lightly dismiss this important narrative as anything other than a magnificent picture of the Lord Jesus Christ and His glorious second coming, they do foolishly ignore the great wealth of explicit and consistent end-time teaching on this subject and divorce the undoubted harmony of this chapter from the rest of New Testament prophetic teaching.

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Preterist, Pretribulationist or Historist positions.

The King James Version interprets the passage correctly and in context: chronos ouketi estai – literally meaning: Time – no longer – there shall be’!!!

The whole import and wording of the remainder of the passage perfectly supports the King James Version rendering and confirms the all-consummating nature of the Second Advent, which says, “when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be etelesthee (or) finished.” It should be noted that the word etelesthee is a very strong all-consummating word that is rightly translated ‘finished’ in this reading and is consistently interpreted: completed, concluded, expired and accomplished.

Revelation 11:15: “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

Verse 18 then reveals how the Second Advent ushers in the general judgment, saying, “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest (1) give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest (2) destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Pretribulationist doctrine.

At the last trumpet, Christ will “reward” the saints and “destroy” the wicked. It is “the time of the dead, that they should be judged.” One wonders how anyone could not see a general resurrection of the dead here in order to enable a general judgment.
Well you only have a few years to find out if you are right or wrong.
 
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Well you only have a few years to find out if you are right or wrong.


Are you going to give us date for the Second Coming of Christ?


I bet you can get a great deal now on a "Blood Moons" book, if you do not already have one.



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Are you going to give us date for the Second Coming of Christ?


I bet you can get a great deal now on a "Blood Moons" book, if you do not already have one.



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Exactly, all the date-setting is coming from within the Premil camp.
 
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Well you only have a few years to find out if you are right or wrong.

This is classic avoidance again by you. When multiple Scripture is given that refutes your error, you avoid it. You have to. This (once again) reinforces the Amil position. The only chapter Premils want to talk about is Rev 20. They are fixated with it.
 
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Are you going to give us date for the Second Coming of Christ?

I bet you can get a great deal now on a "Blood Moons" book, if you do not already have one.
Not my job. Did John the Baptist set a date for the first coming? He was Jesus' cousin. Even John did not claim it was Jesus, and any time of when Jesus' earthly ministry would start. John just said to repent and be ready.
 
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Not my job. Did John the Baptist set a date for the first coming? He was Jesus' cousin. Even John did not claim it was Jesus, and any time of when Jesus' earthly ministry would start. John just said to repent and be ready.

We you please address the above avoided post that challenges your thesis.

You are not furnishing us with any evidence, only personal opinion. After Jesus comes we are into eternity. Time is finished. That does not mean events do not happen, but we are no longer governed by the sun and the moon. Time is obsolete and irrelevant.

Revelation 10:1-3: “And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.”

The symbolism and authority surrounding this great heavenly angel proves beyond a doubt that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ and a picture of His glorious Second Coming. We will the symbolism shortly.

Revelation 10:5-7 says of the Second Advent and the concluding last trumpet, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

There is clearly a major dilemma here for you those who take Revelation to be a literal chronological unfolding of last day events. They must surely concede, if they are going to be consistent with their view that everything after Revelation 11 (which also makes reference to the seventh trumpet) is in the realm of eternity and the after-life. After all Revelation 10 plainly records that with this particular event “there should be time no longer.” For those who would lightly dismiss this important narrative as anything other than a magnificent picture of the Lord Jesus Christ and His glorious second coming, they do foolishly ignore the great wealth of explicit and consistent end-time teaching on this subject and divorce the undoubted harmony of this chapter from the rest of New Testament prophetic teaching.

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Preterist, Pretribulationist or Historist positions.

The King James Version interprets the passage correctly and in context: chronos ouketi estai – literally meaning: Time – no longer – there shall be’!!!

The whole import and wording of the remainder of the passage perfectly supports the King James Version rendering and confirms the all-consummating nature of the Second Advent, which says, “when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be etelesthee (or) finished.” It should be noted that the word etelesthee is a very strong all-consummating word that is rightly translated ‘finished’ in this reading and is consistently interpreted: completed, concluded, expired and accomplished.

Revelation 11:15: “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

Verse 18 then reveals how the Second Advent ushers in the general judgment, saying, “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest (1) give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest (2) destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Pretribulationist doctrine.

At the last trumpet, Christ will “reward” the saints and “destroy” the wicked. It is “the time of the dead, that they should be judged.” One wonders how anyone could not see a general resurrection of the dead here in order to enable a general judgment.
 
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We you please address the above avoided post that challenges your thesis.

You are not furnishing us with any evidence, only personal opinion. After Jesus comes we are into eternity. Time is finished. That does not mean events do not happen, but we are no longer governed by the sun and the moon. Time is obsolete and irrelevant.

Revelation 10:1-3: “And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.”

The symbolism and authority surrounding this great heavenly angel proves beyond a doubt that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ and a picture of His glorious Second Coming. We will the symbolism shortly.

Revelation 10:5-7 says of the Second Advent and the concluding last trumpet, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

There is clearly a major dilemma here for you those who take Revelation to be a literal chronological unfolding of last day events. They must surely concede, if they are going to be consistent with their view that everything after Revelation 11 (which also makes reference to the seventh trumpet) is in the realm of eternity and the after-life. After all Revelation 10 plainly records that with this particular event “there should be time no longer.” For those who would lightly dismiss this important narrative as anything other than a magnificent picture of the Lord Jesus Christ and His glorious second coming, they do foolishly ignore the great wealth of explicit and consistent end-time teaching on this subject and divorce the undoubted harmony of this chapter from the rest of New Testament prophetic teaching.

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Preterist, Pretribulationist or Historist positions.

The King James Version interprets the passage correctly and in context: chronos ouketi estai – literally meaning: Time – no longer – there shall be’!!!

The whole import and wording of the remainder of the passage perfectly supports the King James Version rendering and confirms the all-consummating nature of the Second Advent, which says, “when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be etelesthee (or) finished.” It should be noted that the word etelesthee is a very strong all-consummating word that is rightly translated ‘finished’ in this reading and is consistently interpreted: completed, concluded, expired and accomplished.

Revelation 11:15: “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

Verse 18 then reveals how the Second Advent ushers in the general judgment, saying, “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest (1) give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest (2) destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Pretribulationist doctrine.

At the last trumpet, Christ will “reward” the saints and “destroy” the wicked. It is “the time of the dead, that they should be judged.” One wonders how anyone could not see a general resurrection of the dead here in order to enable a general judgment.
I agree those verses call to an end, several things. Earth not being one of them. I did not invent Revelation 20. You deny it. What happens for 1000, is only known in part. You claim sin, curse, and death go on into eternity yourself. Oh wait you interpret Scripture to say what you mean it to say. You invent an eternity that does not exist.
 
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I agree those verses call to an end, several things. Earth not being one of them. I did not invent Revelation 20. You deny it. What happens for 1000, is only known in part. You claim sin, curse, and death go on into eternity yourself. Oh wait you interpret Scripture to say what you mean it to say. You invent an eternity that does not exist.

What are you talking about? Who denies Rev 20? There you go again. What Amil claims sin, curse, and death go on into eternity? You are either totally ignorant of Amil like no Premil i know or deliberately misrepresenting it because you have nothing on it and must do this in a futile attempt to discredit it.
 
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What are you talking about? Who denies Rev 20? There you go again. What Amil claims sin, curse, and death go on into eternity? You are either totally ignorant of Amil like no Premil i know or deliberately misrepresenting it because you have nothing on it and must do this in a futile attempt to discredit it.
You are the one claiming sin and carnality goes on in the next Millennium. You will not give any verses to back up that claim. So how can that be a pre-mill thing, if you are just making it up?
 
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You are the one claiming sin and carnality goes on in the next Millennium. You will not give any verses to back up that claim. So how can that be a pre-mill thing, if you are just making it up?

Ok. When did i say that?

There is no "next millennium" in my estimation, as you claim. Once Jesus comes we are in eternity. Time disappears.
 
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Ok. When did i say that?

There is no "next millennium" in my estimation, as you claim. Once Jesus comes we are in eternity. Time disappears.
I will point it out the next time you do it. I guess it comes out so naturally, you do not even notice. Your time disappears. God's Time works just fine.

(14) Because Premil lacks any corroboration in Scripture for a future 1,000 years’ age after the second coming, it invents 2 “last days” periods to allow Premil to fit. Mark 1 now, and Mark 2 after the second coming. Premils also invent 2 new heavens and new earths. Mark 1 they relate to their alleged future millennium and is sin-cursed and corrupt. Mark 2 is perfect and incorrupt and they equate it to 1,000 years+ after this.

This is one of the tamer versions of the false accusation. I am not going to waste time looking up every post where you went more ballistic. The phrase also about Christ constantly doing millions of funerals is just nonsense not worth repeating, but you did ask nicely about it.
 
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I will point it out the next time you do it. I guess it comes out so naturally, you do not even notice. Your time disappears. God's Time works just fine.



This is one of the tamer versions of the false accusation. I am not going to waste time looking up every post where you went more ballistic. The phrase also about Christ constantly doing millions of funerals is just nonsense not worth repeating, but you did ask nicely about it.

I was exposing Premil error not teaching Amil. Once again, you have nothing to support your misrepresenting. Are you not convicted? You never seem to apologize either. Sad.
 
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I was exposing Premil error not teaching Amil. Once again, you have nothing to support your misrepresenting. Are you not convicted? You never seem to apologize either. Sad.
From where I am standing you are the one in error. To each his own burden.
 
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From where I am standing you are the one in error. To each his own burden.

I have no difficulty disagreeing with any believer. What I have a problem with, and others manifestly do with you, is how you always misrepresent what others think. You're willfully and continually doing this, yet you refuse to apologize. That is what is grievous to the Lord and others.
 
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I have no difficulty disagreeing with any believer. What I have a problem with, and others manifestly do with you, is how you always misrepresent what others think. You're willfully and continually doing this, yet you refuse to apologize. That is what is grievous to the Lord and others.
And none of your pre-mill accusations apply to me, so what then? Is that not misrepresenting my pre-mill view? You can misrepresent my view, but it is is offensive when I point out how Amil cannot work?
 
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And none of your pre-mill accusations apply to me, so what then? Is that not misrepresenting my pre-mill view? You can misrepresent my view, but it is is offensive when I point out how Amil cannot work?

Maybe you could outline the differences between your view and Premil?
 
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You are the one claiming sin and carnality goes on in the next Millennium. You will not give any verses to back up that claim. So how can that be a pre-mill thing, if you are just making it up?
Please tell me if you are purposely misrepresenting Amil or is it just an accident due to you being unable to understand any other doctrine but your own? You waste all your time debating imaginary straw men who say they are Amil and also somehow believe that sin and death will continue after Christ returns, which is exactly the opposite of what Amil believes.
 
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Please tell me if you are purposely misrepresenting Amil or is it just an accident due to you being unable to understand any other doctrine but your own? You waste all your time debating imaginary straw men who say they are Amil and also somehow believe that sin and death will continue after Christ returns, which is exactly the opposite of what Amil believes.

Exactly. It is time for him to come clean. It would be interesting to catalogue the false charges he has directed towards Amil to highlight the error of his claims.
 
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