Progressives furious over Supreme Court Justice Alito comments

[Brightmoon]

My grandmother, mother, aunts and female cousins were not treated like children.

My wife and daughter certainly aren't treated like children.

If anything, the women in men's lives generally help them to grow up. I know my wife raised me well.

I know you were joking but a lot of men don’t grow up because they think they are just entitled to control women’s lives and they refuse to actually take responsibility other than just ordering women around or oppressing them emotionally, financially or physically . I’ve seen it way too often and not just in my family. I’ve seen complete strangers do it openly and in public . I remember one about 2 years ago an abusive man got street justice when he decided he didn’t like something his wife said and he punched her knocking her down . Another man walked up to him and knocked him out . When he called the police nobody saw anything. There must have been about 15 people standing around but “nobody saw anything” . But they all saw him hit his wife and told the cops that

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I know you were joking but a lot of men don’t grow up because they think they are just entitled to control women’s lives and they refuse to actually take responsibility other than just ordering women around or oppressing them emotionally, financially or physically . I’ve seen it way too often and not just in my family. I’ve seen complete strangers do it openly and in public . I remember one about 2 years ago abusive man got street justice when he decided he didn’t like something his wife said and he punched her and knocked her down . Another man walked up to him and knocked him out . When he called the police nobody saw anything. There must have been about 15 people standing around but “nobody saw anything” . But they all saw him hit his wife and told the cops that

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That was your experience which was NOT the norm where I grew up.

Hitting a woman, wife or not, was considered a cowardly act.

Husbands did not order their wives around as you experienced.

I guess I grew up in a better place than you, which seems to have been hell.

 

[Brightmoon]

Homosexuality gets called out because it is constantly being pushed into everyone's face. Christians aren't out to get homosexuals any more than any other sin, but they will react to whatever is flying in their faces.

you would prefer that they hide in fear for their lives and safety like they used to? My late father was a ranting screaming homophobe . A male gay friend in high school almost died because he met someone who thought the way my father did . I had only thought that my father was over reacting over minor things ( he usually did) until that point. I saw where my fathers toxic beliefs lead and I didn’t like it. The fact that the Bible encourages this type of abuse doesn’t excuse it !

 

[Brightmoon]

That was your experience which was NOT the norm where I grew up.

Hitting a woman, wife or not, was considered a cowardly act.

Husbands did not order their wives around as you experienced.

I guess I grew up in a better place than you, which seems to have been hell.

I grew up in an abusive home simply because my father was a patriarchal authoritarian nutcase. His basis for believing his selfish toxic behavior was acceptable was ultimately the Bible . Spare the rod and spoil the child . Women should be submissive. I’m sure you can remember some bible verse about mistreating gays . I refused to accept any of it once I realized that the Bible had been edited over the centuries .

Btw he never hit my mother but he was extremely emotionally abusive to her .

 

[section9+1]

you would prefer that they hide in fear for their lives and safety like they used to? My late father was a ranting screaming homophobe . A male gay friend in high school almost died because he met someone who thought the way my father did . I had only thought that my father was over reacting over minor things ( he usually did) until that point. I saw where my fathers toxic beliefs lead and I didn’t like it. The fact that the Bible encourages this type of abuse doesn’t excuse it !

Not every male that's opposed to homosexuality is your father. If you believe the bible encourages bad behavior then you are the one with the problem. Don't turn your problem into everyone else's.

 

[Brightmoon]

I’m not , remember that I had a gay friend back in the day .And that was the late 60s . I actually didn’t care what my father thought about gays because I didn’t share his opinion about them . What made me become a supporter was realizing that my friend almost died for nothing

2 I’ve got a biology degree, human sexuality is much more complex than just black and white, male and female . The scientific community has understood this for at least the last 30 years . Abusing or restricting people over this is just cruel .

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I grew up in an abusive home simply because my father was a patriarchal authoritarian nutcase. His basis for believing his selfish toxic behavior was acceptable was ultimately the Bible . Spare the rod and spoil the child . Women should be submissive. I’m sure you can remember some bible verse about mistreating gays . I refused to accept any of it once I realized that the Bible had been edited over the centuries .

Btw he never hit my mother but he was extremely emotionally abusive to her .

I don't recall any verses in the New Testament calling for the abuse of gays.

The Old Testament, which was written with an tribal theological mindset of the Israelites did call for death for homosexuals and adulterers. Jesus presented a different message.

In all, Christianity as all religions which survive, had to evolve. There are more and more people who are opening up to contemplative prayer, which brings them closer to God, who is the source of transforming grace.

People like your father, have an ego-identity attachment to their religion and defending it when question, has more to do with them defending their ego. The same happens in politics and even diets.

I'm a Catholic Christian and follow the teachings of men like Thomas Merton, Thomas Keating and today, Fr Richard Rohr. Also my wife and myself are "Discalced Carmelites, Secular. OCDS, and have followed the teachings of St Teresa of Avila and St John of the Cross. Of course I've been thrown out of Conservative Catholic forums in the past, but I see a transformation, which is slow, but coming. The conservatives there generally don't like Pope Francis.

Anyway, things aren't always as they seem.

God Bless !

 

[section9+1]

I’m not , remember that I had a gay friend back in the day .And that was the late 60s . I actually didn’t care what my father thought about gays because I didn’t share his opinion about them . What made me become a supporter was realizing that my friend almost died for nothing

2 I’ve got a biology degree, human sexuality is much more complex than just black and white, male and female . The scientific community has understood this for at least the last 30 years . Abusing or restricting people over this is just cruel .

Abusing people over this is cruel. Drawing lines between right and wrong based upon the authority of scripture regarding this is biblical. Sometimes that results in a restriction. If you don't approve, that's your business. You don't need to. But then you are not the ultimate authority in this.

 

[Cis.jd]

“For many today, religious liberty is not a cherished freedom. It’s often just an excuse for bigotry and can’t be tolerated, even when there is no evidence that anybody has been harmed,” Alito said during a virtual event with the Federalist Society’s National Lawyers Convention, a conservative legal network. “The question we face is whether our society will be inclusive enough to tolerate people with unpopular religious beliefs.”

“Homophobic rhetoric isn’t a matter of free speech. It’s a matter of hate speech,” Rep. Jimmy Gomez, D-Calif., said on Twitter Friday. “These are stunning, harmful words from Justice Alito.”


No, Mr. Gomez, it is not 'hate speech' (whatever the heck that is). It is free RELIGIOUS speech; but maybe he believes that the Bible is a book of 'hate speech'? Little by little the far left wing of the democratic party chips away at our religious freedoms. How long do we stand by and say/do nothing about it?.....just my 2 cents worth.....

i miss the 90's when people would open to have a debate/discussion to invalidate a comment or point of view, now it's all about whining about being offended.

 

[civilwarbuff]

It doesn’t make sense to argue with @Brightmoon about her experiences and what she’s witnessed. They are still her experiences and doesn’t change what she has witnessed.

True, but when a person cites their own experience then proceeds to paint the entire picture with the same brush then that is a whole 'nother matter.......

 

[bekkilyn]

True, but when a person cites their own experience then proceeds to paint the entire picture with the same brush then that is a whole 'nother matter.......

But that's what everybody else does, so why pick on her?

 

[civilwarbuff]

I saw where my fathers toxic beliefs lead and I didn’t like it. The fact that the Bible encourages this type of abuse doesn’t excuse it !

Book/chapter/verse please.....cuz I believe that statement is a huge load of garbage.....and walking perilously close to blasphemy.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

But that's what everybody else does, so why pick on her?

I am not; I am just pointing out the incorrectness of it.

 

[NotreDame]

you would prefer that they hide in fear for their lives and safety like they used to? My late father was a ranting screaming homophobe . A male gay friend in high school almost died because he met someone who thought the way my father did . I had only thought that my father was over reacting over minor things ( he usually did) until that point. I saw where my fathers toxic beliefs lead and I didn’t like it. The fact that the Bible encourages this type of abuse doesn’t excuse it !

Does the Bible in fact encourage that “type of abuse”? Or maybe you are putting too much on the Bible?

 

[NotreDame]

I grew up in an abusive home simply because my father was a patriarchal authoritarian nutcase. His basis for believing his selfish toxic behavior was acceptable was ultimately the Bible . Spare the rod and spoil the child . Women should be submissive. I’m sure you can remember some bible verse about mistreating gays . I refused to accept any of it once I realized that the Bible had been edited over the centuries .

Btw he never hit my mother but he was extremely emotionally abusive to her .

Well a few points, it isn’t accurate to say the Bible “has been edited over the centuries.” Might there be some minor differences? Yes, but there is a body of evidence showing the Bible hasn’t incurred the “editing” you suggest.

Second, I’m sorry for the abuses your father perpetuated but it just may be the case your father twisted the Bible to justify his conduct, whereas the Bible did not in fact justify his actions.

 

[Matt5]

“For many today, religious liberty is not a cherished freedom. It’s often just an excuse for bigotry and can’t be tolerated, even when there is no evidence that anybody has been harmed,” Alito said during a virtual event with the Federalist Society’s National Lawyers Convention, a conservative legal network. “The question we face is whether our society will be inclusive enough to tolerate people with unpopular religious beliefs.”

“Homophobic rhetoric isn’t a matter of free speech. It’s a matter of hate speech,” Rep. Jimmy Gomez, D-Calif., said on Twitter Friday. “These are stunning, harmful words from Justice Alito.”
Progressives furious over Supreme Court Justice Alito comments


No, Mr. Gomez, it is not 'hate speech' (whatever the heck that is). It is free RELIGIOUS speech; but maybe he believes that the Bible is a book of 'hate speech'? Little by little the far left wing of the democratic party chips away at our religious freedoms. How long do we stand by and say/do nothing about it?.....just my 2 cents worth.....

This intolerance of mostly Christians stems from the rise of equality. Equality means everybody the same and having the same stuff. There is no place for Christianity in a world of equal.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

“For many today, religious liberty is not a cherished freedom. It’s often just an excuse for bigotry and can’t be tolerated, even when there is no evidence that anybody has been harmed,” Alito said during a virtual event with the Federalist Society’s National Lawyers Convention, a conservative legal network. “The question we face is whether our society will be inclusive enough to tolerate people with unpopular religious beliefs.”

“Homophobic rhetoric isn’t a matter of free speech. It’s a matter of hate speech,” Rep. Jimmy Gomez, D-Calif., said on Twitter Friday. “These are stunning, harmful words from Justice Alito.”
Progressives furious over Supreme Court Justice Alito comments


No, Mr. Gomez, it is not 'hate speech' (whatever the heck that is). It is free RELIGIOUS speech; but maybe he believes that the Bible is a book of 'hate speech'? Little by little the far left wing of the democratic party chips away at our religious freedoms. How long do we stand by and say/do nothing about it?.....just my 2 cents worth.....

Serious question to anyone who has an answer. How do you define "hate speech"?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

my church would have accepted you as is . ( and probably counseled you on getting better relationships) . Self hatred is a horrible burden and the Church doesn’t need to make it worse

It is far more unloving to lie to an individual to make them feel more comfortable about their sinful lifestyle and watch them burn in hell because you didn't want to offend them. Note: this doesn't only apply to homosexuals.

 

[bekkilyn]

Serious question to anyone who has an answer. How do you define "hate speech"?

This is a really good question, especially now when a simple statement like "PCOS is a female-only health issue" is considered to be "hate speech" and can get you "cancelled" all over the internet.

 

[Redwingfan9]

“For many today, religious liberty is not a cherished freedom. It’s often just an excuse for bigotry and can’t be tolerated, even when there is no evidence that anybody has been harmed,” Alito said during a virtual event with the Federalist Society’s National Lawyers Convention, a conservative legal network. “The question we face is whether our society will be inclusive enough to tolerate people with unpopular religious beliefs.”

“Homophobic rhetoric isn’t a matter of free speech. It’s a matter of hate speech,” Rep. Jimmy Gomez, D-Calif., said on Twitter Friday. “These are stunning, harmful words from Justice Alito.”
Progressives furious over Supreme Court Justice Alito comments


No, Mr. Gomez, it is not 'hate speech' (whatever the heck that is). It is free RELIGIOUS speech; but maybe he believes that the Bible is a book of 'hate speech'? Little by little the far left wing of the democratic party chips away at our religious freedoms. How long do we stand by and say/do nothing about it?.....just my 2 cents worth.....

"Hate speech" is protected speech under the Constitution. The first amendment right of free speech applies even to those words people may find repugnant, distasteful and hateful. It is troubling that the left wants to banish words that it does not like. That works both ways, which is why the first amendment exists.