Joe Biden elected 46th president of the United States

[durangodawood]

No, it means the press has announced they consider him the winner. Not unreasonably, of course, but he hasn't been elected.

No one will be actually elected president until the electoral college meets and casts their votes.

That's a formality at this point.

 

[Kenny'sID]

If there were evidence that members of the Biden campaign had "colluded" with China, would Republicans be claiming Biden had "colluded" with China? I think we both know the answer to that -- of course they would.

What we know -- members of the Trump campaign did work with Russians with ties to the Russian government. That isn't in question, it is in the Mueller Report as well as the Senate Intelligence Commitee report. We know one of Trump's campaign managers was sharing Trump campaign data (polling results) with a Russian.

It is true, there has been no evidence that ties the President to the actions by his campaign. The closest is Roger Stone, who not only worked with Wikileaks and possibly Russia in the release of the DNC hacked information, to coordinate those releases with the Trump campaign.

Additionally, it is alleged that he participated in a "cover up," about 10 different claims, to prevent the Mueller team from fully finding out the extent of cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia.

For this reason, "Russian collusion" is not really a good "whataboutism" to use. The FBI, as has been found by every investigation, had ample reason to investigate. It was the actions of Trump appointees, including Flynn and Sessions not being forthright (in Flynn's case actual lies) that largely made it politically necessary for the Special Prosecutor. And, again, even a Republican led Senate investigation found there were serious security risks and implications involved with the ties between the campain and the Russians.

The difference between bide3n and Trump...no real investigation. Talk to me after that takes place.

 

[pitabread]

NO!! ! It is you who thinks He is tiny and inconsequential!

Really? The "I know you are, but what I am I" defense?

If you want to be a good witness for Christ, work on some better material.

 

[pitabread]

Sad day for fascists.

It still astounds me that people don't realize that Trump is in a fact an obvious fascist. If it weren't for the protection the American electoral and legal systems, America could easily have had a dictator on their hands.

Then again, I do believe the Trump cult would be right at home in a dictatorship.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Alas the thread about Trump's tweet is locked, but Twitter's commentary is much appreciated.

 

[SimplyMe]

The difference between bide3n and Trump...no real investigation. Talk to me after that takes place.

I'm sorry, what? I recall a Senate Intelligence Committe investigation into Biden that concluded early last month. There apparently has been an FBI investigation, at least into Hunter, for close to a year now.

I'm also sure, with Republicans still controlling the Senate, we'll see more investigations into the Bidens.

 

[pitabread]

Alas the thread about Trump's tweet is locked, but Twitter's commentary is much appreciated.

I predict that in a month or so time, Trump will be claiming he never really wanted to be re-elected.

 

[stevil]

Far from irelevant, and why when I mention Trump being accused of colussion, does the subject always turn to others being busted. My point was about Trump, not them
and he was not guilty of any such thing

That isn't the point that you made in the previous post.

The investigation into collusion or conspiracy with Russia interfering into the 2016 presidential election, wasn't about Trump. They were investigating whether people in the Trump campaign were conspiring with the Russian. Not about Trump specifically.
Trump was never personally investigated for conspiracy.

Trump was kind of investigated for obstruction, but not with the intent to indict him or accuse him of anything. As sitting president the Justice Department and Robert Mueller stated that they were never going to indict. The only reason why the Special Council investigated Trump's alleged obstruction was to find out if anyone helped him in obstruction. If they were found to help, then they would have been charged.

Who complained about the collusion, and got the ball rolling?

Many of the USA intelligence agencies were troubled by the many conversations that people in the Trump Campaign were having with Russians. It ended up in Operation Crossfire Hurricane being opened by the FBI.
Later Trump and his administration opened an investigation into the origins of this investigation. They concluded that it was the correct course of action (to open the investigation into whether Trump campaign members were collaborating with the Russians).

Pretty sure that wasn`t the right

Correct, it wasn't the left either. It was the USA intelligence agencies and specifically, the FBI.

Once Comey was fired, in an attempt to stop the investigation, Rossenstien (the Republican acting AG) hired Robert Mueller to continue investigating this. (at this point it was the "right" who continued with the investigation. The "left" still had nothing to do with it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

That isn't the point that you made in the previous post.

The investigation into collusion or conspiracy with Russia interfering into the 2016 presidential election, wasn't about Trump. They were investigating whether people in the Trump campaign were conspiring with the Russian. Not about Trump specifically.
Trump was never personally investigated for conspiracy.

Trump was kind of investigated for obstruction, but not with the intent to indict him or accuse him of anything. As sitting president the Justice Department and Robert Mueller stated that they were never going to indict. The only reason why the Special Council investigated Trump's alleged obstruction was to find out if anyone helped him in obstruction. If they were found to help, then they would have been charged.



Many of the USA intelligence agencies were troubled by the many conversations that people in the Trump Campaign were having with Russians. It ended up in Operation Crossfire Hurricane being opened by the FBI.
Later Trump and his administration opened an investigation into the origins of this investigation. They concluded that it was the correct course of action (to open the investigation into whether Trump campaign members were collaborating with the Russians).


Correct, it wasn't the left either. It was the USA intelligence agencies and specifically, the FBI.

Once Comey was fired, in an attempt to stop the investigation, Rossenstien (the Republican acting AG) hired Robert Mueller to continue investigating this. (at this point it was the "right" who continued with the investigation. The "left" still had nothing to do with it.

Of course my point was about Trump. Lol

Wow

 

[The Ant]

And you’re perfectly entitled to your opinion. But how would the Democrats have carried out such a massive fraud? Did they hack into election board computers and create votes? The Russians would have nothing on them. Did they flood multiple states with thousands of fabricated paper ballots and keep it unnoticed during counting? Wouldn’t these fake ballots also need to have choices for state and local candidates? Who I’d assume would all be Democrats. If so, it makes me wonder why they lost House seats. I suppose anything is possible. But as feckless as Democrats can be, it strains credulity beyond the breaking point to imagine how such a monumental nationwide deception could be pulled off.

Great points, particularly about the House results. And let’s not forget the Senate! What Trump and Giuliani would have people believe is that the Democrats have mounted a huge fraud (yet no evidence of such) but managed to still allow the real power, the Senate, to slip through their fingers! Really?

 

[mmksparbud]

Really? The "I know you are, but what I am I" defense?

If you want to be a good witness for Christ, work on some better material.

I do not need better material---you are agnostic---you haven't a clue.

 

[essentialsaltes]

 

[mmksparbud]

There was nothing in any of those quotes to suggest that god cheated the people of their individual freedoms and individual votes in this election.


The election was by the people, for the people.

The believes of atheists is of no value to me when it comes to biblical matters. The Holy Spirit guides us, and elects whom He will. Of course, I do not believer any atheist's to believe that. The Spirit does not force, He guides. There is still free will.

 

[stevil]

The Holy Spirit guides us, and elects whom He will.

The Spirit does not force, He guides. There is still free will.

I consider these two lines above to be logically contradictory.
They can't both be correct.

 

[The Ant]

I consider these two lines above to be logically contradictory.
They can't both be correct.

Quite true. If there exists a spirit that chooses leaders, then the people have no say in it. No free will.

 

[lasthero]

Quite true. If there exists a spirit that chooses leaders, then the people have no say in it. No free will.

Seriously. If you think God is going to pick the Leader he wants, why do you even bother voting? If God wanted Trump to win, it wouldn’t matter who did or didn’t vote for him, he’d win regardless.

 

[Arc F1]

Sad day for fascists.

Idk. I can't speak for them.

 

[Arc F1]

So, would you support a president in making Islam illegal? in making Hindhu illegal?

I got it all out. I'm done venting my frustration. Thanks for listening.

 

[cow451]

The card's been played man. Prove massive and widespread fraud or accept defeat.

Or at least a standing eight count.

 

[cow451]

I got it all out. I'm done venting my frustration. Thanks for listening.

Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.