Tongues as evidence of Holy Spirit

[Llleopard]

Why do some people insist that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit and that if you don't, then you aren't? The Bible appears to say that there are other gifts, some more to be desired, not that everyone will speak in tongues even with practice. Am I missing something obvious? I see people in our church with other gifts and fruit being told they need to be prayed for so they can recieve the H S, when to me the evidence in their lives shows they have, but just don't have tongues.

 

[NerdGirl]

Why do some people insist that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit and that if you don't, then you aren't? The Bible appears to say that there are other gifts, some more to be desired, not that everyone will speak in tongues even with practice. Am I missing something obvious? I see people in our church with other gifts and fruit being told they need to be prayed for so they can recieve the H S, when to me the evidence in their lives shows they have, but just don't have tongues.

Because some people are convinced of their own rightness. Others are overzealous to appear super-spiritual to people around them. No, you aren't missing anything

 

[Danigt22]

I mean, if you speak in tongues and believe in the gospel of your salvation within your heart. That sounds pretty much you are 100% save and seal with the holy ghost. But I dont think it is healthy to make it the focus. Our lord Jesus Christ gift of the cross is our focus, and the sacraments help us receive that grace through an objectified manner if we open our hearts to it.

 

[Gregorikos]

Because of the 5 occurrences of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit recorded in Acts, in 3 of those cases it says they spoke in tongues. Acts 2, 10, and 19)

In the other two cases, one was Paul. We know he spoke in tongues, because he said so. (1 Corinthians 14:18)

The only other occurrence is Simon the magician, who was so impressed by whatever happened that he offered money to be able to do likewise. (Acts 8:9-13) Whatever happened was apparently supernatural. We don't know what it was, but tongues would be consistent with the other occurrences.

From this evidence, Pentecostals conclude that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Pauls question 'do all speak in tongues?' would never have been asked if they did.

 

[d taylor]

The speaking in tongues was not the gibberish that it is today. It was the language of another person.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Why do some people insist that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit and that if you don't, then you aren't? The Bible appears to say that there are other gifts, some more to be desired, not that everyone will speak in tongues even with practice. Am I missing something obvious? I see people in our church with other gifts and fruit being told they need to be prayed for so they can recieve the H S, when to me the evidence in their lives shows they have, but just don't have tongues.

It's taken from Mark 16:17. Mind you, they don't expect Christians to drink poison or get bitten by snakes. It seems somewhat inconsistent to me. There is also a splinter group that says if you do not speak in tongues then you are not saved. This is clearly false. I used to speak in tongues but I don't any more. I just lost the desire. I still exercise spiritual gifts.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Why do some people insist that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit and that if you don't, then you aren't? The Bible appears to say that there are other gifts, some more to be desired, not that everyone will speak in tongues even with practice. Am I missing something obvious? I see people in our church with other gifts and fruit being told they need to be prayed for so they can recieve the H S, when to me the evidence in their lives shows they have, but just don't have tongues.

Probably as a protest to athiestic rationalism being applied to the passages of the bible by some denominations.

 

[GTW27]

Blessings in Christ Jesus! Some of you on this very board may have this gift and not know it. It was that way for me for a long time on my journey. I used to be curious about this gift and even went to youtube to see if I could understand it. Even though I am not worthy I do walk in The Spirit and preach in The Spirit as The Lord wills. Also, other Gifts have manifested as the need has arisen. I know that this is all Him and not me. A few years ago I was reading these boards and a person gave a couple of short instructions on how to receive this gift by faith. And since I have the gift of faith I decided to include it with my nightly prayers. These are the instructions I followed that night;
1. Believe it is The Lords will for you to have this gift.
2. Go ask for it(in prayer)
3.Thank Him for the gift.
4.Now go out and do something you have never done before.
That night I went into my bedroom to pray and included the instruction above. By the time I got back to the living room this Beautiful Language was flowing from my lips. There was no practicing, it just flowed. I was astonish. It felt more natural to me than the English I have spoken all of my life. When it flows out it gives new meaning to the words, Born from above, and in the world but not of it. It makes you feel like a sojourner in a foreign land. The one thing I have learned is that demons hate it and flee from it. Perhaps that is what is behind the push against the gift of tongues in today's time. I realize there are fake tongues, and demonic tongues for I have witness them both. Are there those that are truly born from above that do not speak in tongues, absolutely. I left the instructions that I followed in case anyone else was curious enough to give it a try. Just imagine for a minute, if this caught on and many had begun praying in tongues how prayer could start changing the tide in this war. Sometimes, when it comes to the enemy, I feel like Urkel(Steve Urkel). "Did I do thaaaat" LOL.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I used to speak in tongues a lot, but after applying something I read in the bible - I prayed so I could translate and no more weird sounding tongues - but the world looks different now.

Hard to put into words.

 

[tturt]

This forum is only for posters that believe in spiritual gifts and they're for today per forum rules

 

[tturt]

With the groups that received tongues in Scripture, it states "all" received (Acts 2:4; 4:31; 10:44-46; 19:6,7) . Also, Acts 8 "Then [the apostles] laid their hands on them one by one, and they received the Holy Spirit."

Tongues are a sign - To unbelievers By believers "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:" "And these signs shall follow them that believe; ...they shall speak with new tongues; (I Cor 14:22 and Mark 16:17) So that means any believer can speak in tongues which is given to them by the Holy Spirit. Also, "Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" Take out the question mark This Scripture is referring to the gift of tongues with interpretation. There would not be any reason for every believer to be used with this gift at the same time and in the same location.

manifestation of the spiritual gifts including "another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues;..." I Cor 12:10

The divers of tongues at least defined as: 1- a message of tongues with interpretation (edifies the church and often given in the church I Cor 12:10 , I Cor 14:5 ) and 2- prayer language (I Cor 14:14-15). These have numerous purposes such as edifies believers, magifies God (Acts 10)

"Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues." I Cor 14:39

 

[tturt]

There's 6500 languages and some of them are unusual such as clicks. Plus there's a heavenly language according to I Cor 13:1.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Probably as a protest to athiestic rationalism being applied to the passages of the bible by some denominations.

That's as bad a reason as any to preach something false, I suppose.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That's as bad a reason as any to preach something false, I suppose.

I suppose. But the whole speak tongues and don't translate for fun application seems a little too blatant.

 

[fwGod]

Why do some people insist that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit and that if you don't, then you aren't?

Everyone that's saved has the Holy Spirit dwelling within them. However, the baptism of the Holy Spirit brings a believer into a more expanded dimension of the calling on their lives. Everyone has a calling but not everyone will walk in it if they aren't baptized where they speak in tongues.

It's Biblical that speaking in tongues follows the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Lord Jesus said that it was one of the signs believers would manifest, and the apostle Paul not only encouraged it but he and others traveled around with the express purpose of preaching it's availability to all who've been saved.

The Bible appears to say that there are other gifts, some more to be desired,

What is more desired is to make use of the tongues for empowered ministry to others., such as prophecy. While personal tongues are wonderful the idea is to always be striving to grow by looking for ways to use the blessing received from God to be a blessing to others.

not that everyone will speak in tongues even with practice.

The apostle Paul indicated that like not all are pastors or teachers, the ministry gifts which used tongues were likewise not for every person who has a ministry. That does not mean that they wouldn't therefore speak in tongues at all. It just means that they'd have their private tongues that wouldn't be a ministry gift. In that way such ministry leaders would be similar to the laity who had the private tongues.

Therefore Paul made a slight difference or distinction between ministry use of tongues versus the private or worship use of tongues that were encouraged by Paul for everyone to have, both ministry and laity alike.

Am I missing something obvious? I see people in our church with other gifts and fruit being told they need to be prayed for so they can recieve the H S, when to me the evidence in their lives shows they have, but just don't have tongues.

Those who have fruits are those that are all the more developed and should expand further by speaking in tongues and likely be called into a tongues powered ministry but not necessarily.
Whereas those who might not have much fruits yet would more likely improve their walk with the Lord by speaking in tongues and advance to where they can be a blessing to others.