Do You Believe That There's Life On Other Planets?

[ruthiesea]

Thanks. That was my only point. Science is useless if it can't explain why life exists with data.
Dr Jeremy England wrote on his theory that thermodynamics was the reason for life, but that was 5 years ago and he's not expanded on his preliminary theory.
So you have a stumped PhD working on it. I just find it crazy that people don't see the problem with not understanding why life exists.

Seems like a screaming big hole to me.

Why life exists is a philosophical question not addressed by science.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why life exists is a philosophical question not addressed by science.

Either that, or it's a theological question not addressed by science.

 

[SkyWriting]

Why life exists is a philosophical question not addressed by science.

That's exactly my point. Science is a philosophy so let's not pretend they are separate things. But I'm asking for the scientific answer for why life exists.

Why does the sun exist, Why is it hot, why is it big, why do planets circle it, why do the close planets circle faster, why is one planet just gas, and why does life exist on the third rock from the sun?

It's a simple enough question. Why does life exist rather than none? There must be a scientific answer to explain what causes it.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That's exactly my point. Science is a philosophy so let's not pretend they are separate things. But I'm asking for the scientific answer for why life exists.

Why does the sun exist, Why is it hot, why is it big, why do planets circle it, why do the close planets circle faster, why is one planet just gas, and why does life exist on the third rock from the sun?

It's a simple enough question. Why does life exist rather than none? There must be a scientific answer to explain what causes it.

The thing is, all of the examples you gave can actually be answered by science.
The why of the why is purely philosophical.

 

[Jok]

That's exactly my point. Science is a philosophy so let's not pretend they are separate things. But I'm asking for the scientific answer for why life exists.

Why does the sun exist, Why is it hot, why is it big, why do planets circle it, why do the close planets circle faster, why is one planet just gas, and why does life exist on the third rock from the sun?

It's a simple enough question. Why does life exist rather than none? There must be a scientific answer to explain what causes it.

The thing is, all of the examples you gave can actually be answered by science.

Can you give us just one of the scientific answers to any of those questions?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Can you give us just one of the scientific answers to any of those questions?

Why is the sun hot?
The sun is hot because of nuclear fusion, wherein hydrogen is changed into helium, thus producing heat and photons.

 

[Jok]

You’re right, posted without reading clearly, I think I know where sky was trying to go but a couple of those questions are scientific my bad

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

There I go again speed posting while doing 3 different things, NVM a couple of those questions were clearly scientific lol. I also don’t agree in that post that science is a philosophy.

Science started as a branch of philosophy called 'Natural Philosophy', the philosophy of nature, but as it became more empirical and adopted its own methodology it eventually (in the 19th cent.) became known as 'Natural Science'. Philosophers of science now explore science in the abstract; i.e. the methodology, the implications of its discoveries, and so-on.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You’re right, posted without reading clearly, I think I know where sky was trying to go but a couple of those questions are scientific my bad

It's all right. It happens.

 

[Jok]

In all seriousness, if we did meet alien life, we'd definitely have to take them on a very case by case basis and decide if we'd want to meet them, hang back or declare them 'dangerous to humanity'.

True, I like ET much better than The Predator lol

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

True, I like ET much better than The Predator lol

All better alternatives to the Tyranids.

 

[SelfSim]

That's exactly my point. Science is a philosophy so let's not pretend they are separate things.

Science makes sense when one chooses to think scientifically. In that sense science is embedded in a philosophy which makes it useful, but science itself, is defined by its method.

That method does not state any mandatory going-in assumptions must be held, such as:
'1) Assume things exist', (for example).

One can hold any beliefs one chooses and still do science, whereas many philosophies specifically exclude certain beliefs by demanding certain assumptions be held as being true.
Science just doesn't work that way .. nor could it work that way.

 

[Neogaia777]

Whether or not you're a Christian. I believe that it's possible that God could have created life elsewhere because even though it doesn't say that in the Bible,.. it also doesn't say that He didn't.

If there is, I don't think any of them learned how to ever leave or escape the confines of their own solar systems, before they were either destroyed, or destroyed themselves, and their planets possibly, or reset themselves so many times before ever achieving doing so, etc, or ever before God ever Himself stepped in and intervened and "changed" them and their planets and their worlds and lives forever, etc...

Which would have included changing their desires to ever leave their own planets or solar systems, etc, or ever trying to contact and/or make contact and/or ever interact with us ever, after that, etc, forvever after that, etc...

I don't think they ever learned to go beyond the confines of their own solar systems before this or these kinds of things happening to or with them, or or else not happening to or with them, etc...

I also think life on our level is "very rare" also, but that there is life like us out there "somewhere", etc, but so very far apart that we will or would never have and/or get and/or achieve ever having contact or interactions with each other before some of the prior things I already mentioned either happening or not happening, to them or with them, or with them or to them, etc...

And I think that is "by design", etc, or God's design, etc...

God Bless!

 

[SkyWriting]

Science just doesn't work that way .. nor could it work that way.

Yes, science holds many assumptions to be true because no experiments can reproduce the previous events. It is absolutely no different than other philosophies.

It even uses a "majority opinion rules" standing for basic ideas to build more thought experiments upon.
It even defends it self in this saying "It's been repeated 1000 times, so it is a fact now" as if that was an actual rule of some kind. This is pure philosophy that "1000 observations makes a fact". It's not even a supportable idea, but scientists use it all the time. They say "Meh, its the best we got".

Except for the the alien religion. In this one case the god is life on other planets, and 100 million searches turning up nada, zero , zilch, will not shake the faith that life is out there, "Just around the corner, hiding".

 

[SelfSim]

Yes, science holds many assumptions to be true because no experiments can reproduce the previous events. It is absolutely no different than other philosophies.

It even uses a "majority opinion rules" standing for basic ideas to build more thought experiments upon.
It even defends it self in this saying "It's been repeated 1000 times, so it is a fact now" as if that was an actual rule of some kind. This is pure philosophy that "1000 observations makes a fact". It's not even a supportable idea, but scientists use it all the time. They say "Meh, its the best we got".

(.. written on a computer no doubt ..)
Such a laughable, completely useless and hypocritical opinion, what's more.
No evidence presented .. and so it is hereby dismissed by the same means.

Except for the the alien religion. In this one case the god is life on other planets, and 100 million searches turning up nada, zero , zilch, will not shake the faith that life is out there, "Just around the corner, hiding".

Well dunno about 'out there' .. but it is here ... ie: another ill conceived opinion .. Case dismissed.

 

[Neogaia777]

Why life exists is a philosophical question not addressed by science.

Well, it all came from nothing and with no maker or creator and for no good reason at all, don't you know, etc...

And especially the universe, that definitely came from nothing or no one at all, don't you know...?

Cause that's only logical and is all very much absolutely highly scientific, don't you know...?

God Bless!

 

[Shemjaza]

Yes, science holds many assumptions to be true because no experiments can reproduce the previous events. It is absolutely no different than other philosophies.

It even uses a "majority opinion rules" standing for basic ideas to build more thought experiments upon.
It even defends it self in this saying "It's been repeated 1000 times, so it is a fact now" as if that was an actual rule of some kind. This is pure philosophy that "1000 observations makes a fact". It's not even a supportable idea, but scientists use it all the time. They say "Meh, its the best we got".

Except for the the alien religion. In this one case the god is life on other planets, and 100 million searches turning up nada, zero , zilch, will not shake the faith that life is out there, "Just around the corner, hiding".

We've barely examined the universe. It is unquestionably vast. Given we don't have anything specific to show that life like us is impossible, it is reasonable to label us as possible.

Given just how many planets with similar make up and environment to Earth are likely to exist almost any degree of "possible" becomes probable.

As an analogy... imagine a vast murky lake and we have seen a couple of tiny fish in one particular inlet and not in any of the immediately surrounding areas. Now we don't know for sure that there are any other fish in the entire lake... but it'd seem pretty silly to declare that it's just impossible for there to be any more.

(I'm also just restating that belief in other life somewhere out in the universe isn't accepting little green men visiting us or even any other intelligent life in the entire galaxy.)

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... I don't think any of them learned how to ever leave or escape the confines of their own solar systems, before they were either destroyed, or destroyed themselves, and their planets possibly, or reset themselves so many times before ever achieving doing so, etc, or ever before God ever Himself stepped in and intervened and "changed" them and their planets and their worlds and lives forever, etc...

Which would have included changing their desires to ever leave their own planets or solar systems, etc, or ever trying to contact and/or make contact and/or ever interact with us ever, after that, etc, forvever after that, etc...

I don't think they ever learned to go beyond the confines of their own solar systems before this or these kinds of things happening to or with them, or or else not happening to or with them, etc...

What makes you think that, given that you can't possibly know anything about them?

 

[SkyWriting]

SkyWriting said: ↑
Yes, science holds many assumptions to be true because no experiments can reproduce the previous events. It is absolutely no different than other philosophies. It even uses a "majority opinion rules" standing for basic ideas to build more thought experiments upon.

Such a laughable, completely useless and hypocritical opinion, what's more.
No evidence presented .. and so it is hereby dismissed by the same means.

How science really works.
(Community consensus.)
The real process of science

 

[Neogaia777]

What makes you think that, given that you can't possibly know anything about them?

Given that anything physical can't be pushed beyond the speed of light, and how hard it is to get even close to it, or what happens or begins to happen with it when it even gets close to it, etc, and the limitations of physical matter and material, etc, and also, and as for the other things or the rest, etc, that is just my opinion of how quote/unquote "intelligent" (and I use that term very loosely) life like us is, and/or behaves, and/or does or goes, always, etc...

But it's just my opinion, etc...

And as for the last thing, about God or a God, etc, I also just think that's how it is and/or goes with life like us also, etc, if God so wills it, etc, and I think most of the time He does, cause He has to eventually, or in the end, before or by our end, etc, brought upon ourselves by our own "intelligence" in the end, etc....

God Bless!