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Yeah, they stopped it after it was no longer useful.

How do we know that?

Because it worked. Obama followed the advice of their pandemic team, and so they stopped the virus. Trump ignored the advice of his experts and so the pandemic is still out of control, months after other nations have gone back to normal life.

That's the difference.

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Spin, spin, spin?..... Careful. It rhymes with sin.

We need Truth... Justice...and the American Way.

What you said has no truth in it. Yet I answer you anyway. Romans 1:14
 
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Spin, spin, spin?..... Careful. It rhymes with sin.

It's just data. I realize there are people who regard facts as the enemy. But they are neither friend nor enemy. They just are.

We need Truth... Justice...and the American Way.

Coming to terms with the facts would be a good first step. Worth trying?

What you said has no truth in it.

That's what facts are. Other nations took quick action, and they're doing much better than we are. We're still mired in the pandemic. Epidemiologists at Columbia University found that about 36,000 more people died than needed to, because Trump didn't act promptly and effectively.
 
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It's just data. I realize there are people who regard facts as the enemy. But they are neither friend nor enemy. They just are.



Coming to terms with the facts would be a good first step. Worth trying?



That's what facts are. Other nations took quick action, and they're doing much better than we are. We're still mired in the pandemic. Epidemiologists at Columbia University found that about 36,000 more people died than needed to, because Trump didn't act promptly and effectively.
Now I know why I had you on Ignore. I took quick action the first time, sort of like Trump did with China. Forgot why I did... Now I remember...
:wave: ... can't afford the gaslighting bill.
 
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Now I know why I had you on Ignore.

Same reason as now. You got tired of being presented facts that didn't support your stories.

I took quick action the first time, sort of like Trump did with China.

Kowtowed to get Ivanka granted special favors? How so?

Forgot why I did... Now I remember...
... can't afford the gaslighting bill

Try to be a little more careful how often you use it, and how much you use. That works for most people.


Bu-bye.
 
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Lost to whom? You speak for everyone? Looks pretty simple to me. Does that bother you that its that simple to see? Massive parties of healthy people is a good sign, and makes sense of the findings.

These are quite often selfish people - they are not caring about their own safety, let alone others.

If you read the background to the news, there was a woman shot dead and two others injured at one of these parties at the beginning of August.

Woman killed, three others shot at large mansion party in California

I said it would be lost here amongst all the other posts. I dont see that anyone can conclude these parties are full of non-carriers, its a bad example to set. There could also be criminal activity taking place at these parties. So if you ask me - No - they don't have some absolute right to party in the middle of a pandemic, or to tell law enforcement to mind their own business.

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These are quite often selfish people - they are not caring about there own safety, let alone others.

You're not selfish in your own way? After all.. You want to run other people's lives. That's not being selfish? You ignore the data that tells us that this virus (like all other viruses) must take its course. Its being exploited with fake science and political maneuvering as a means to try to shut down the nation (if it could get its way).

Tell me?

A virus so deadly? That you need to be tested to see if you got it?

You got to be kidding.
 
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You're not selfish in your own way? After all.. You want to run other people's lives. That's not being selfish? You ignore the data that tells us that this virus (like all other viruses) must take its course. Its being exploited with fake science and political maneuvering as a means to try to shut down the nation (if it could get its way).

Tell me?

A virus so deadly? That you need to be tested to see if you got it?

You got to be kidding.


Sure, but how am I running others lives? I don't understand? I am saying the authorities get multiple complaints about someone's party they are correct to respond - who knows someone could be being assaulted.

I don't ignore any data, I thought your link and info was valid and would get more attention in a separate thread of its own - since everything under the sun is now being discussed in this one - lol! I am not saying there is no virus, or that caution doesn't need to be exercised. If the authorities get a report of a disturbance of the peace - they have to investigate it.
 
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You're not selfish in your own way? After all.. You want to run other people's lives. That's not being selfish? You ignore the data that tells us that this virus (like all other viruses) must take its course. Its being exploited with fake science and political maneuvering as a means to try to shut down the nation (if it could get its way).

Tell me?

A virus so deadly? That you need to be tested to see if you got it?

You got to be kidding.

I think there is no more going on than the News Media doing its usual hysterical reporting and putting everyone up to high-dough - they should be called to account.

If a person has a cough it could be any number of common viruses, you cannot tell from a cough what virus they have as far as I am aware - so yes they need to be tested for it.

I agree the scientific modelling is flawed, but there is a virus, and yes it will have to take its course probably - I have argued that other measures should have been taken before a lockdown here in the UK, here and on other forums - we are all coming to some standpoint on it and that through debating with others - there is a scripture that says "don't call conspiracy everything these people call conspiracy..." Isaiah 8:12.

I am concerned about this and praying daily that the true picture will emerge and that the confusion will be lifted, that governments will not over-react - everyone should be praying for that.
 
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Sure, but how am I running others lives? I don't understand?

You are siding with those who crave to run the lives of others.

I don't ignore any data,

If I started to show you some.... you would ignore. Make excuses. And, keep spinning back to the data that sticks it to those who want to protect their freedoms.

If not? Why have you not seen all the valid reports that tell you the Deep State position is not truth?
 
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I agree the scientific modelling is flawed, but there is a virus, and yes it will have to take its course probably - I have argued that other measures should have been taken before a lockdown here in the UK, here and on other forums - we are all coming to some standpoint on it and that through debating with others - there is a scripture that says "don't call conspiracy everything these people call conspiracy..." Isaiah 8:12.

I am concerned about this and praying daily that the true picture will emerge and that the confusion will be lifted, that governments will not over-react - everyone should be praying for that.

You will not come to grips with it until you realize that the antichrist system is always at work wishing to gather the nations together under a central control. Its will be doing so until God allows the Antichrist to appear..... Its always preparing to clear the way for its false messiah.

And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be
revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness
is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue
to
do so till he is taken out of the way." - 2 Thes 2:6-7​
 
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Covid-19 is a hoax.

The virus has never been isolated or purified.
The "test" only tests for the presence of an antibody response to a standard coronavirus, of which the common cold is.
Hospitals were paid thousands of dollars for a "covid patient", so they listed many of their patients with other ailments as having covid.
The CDC just admitted that only 6% of the deaths were attributed to covid, and that the rest were from other ailments, such as heart attacks, strokes, pneumonia, etc. When this is taken into consideration, that's fewer than twenty thousand deaths. The flu in a typical season kills far more.
The average age of death is over 80, which by the way is ABOVE the average lifespan. Old people are very susceptible to all kinds of colds, and they often die from them.

So, no evidence of a virus (never isolated). Anyone with a cold or flu like symptoms, or a standard coronavirus will test positive. It is not very deadly (well below one percent) if it were real, but it is not. It is old people dying in nursing homes from people intentionally sent there with pneumonia, listed as "covid". Others were simply people dying from other ailments, fraudulently listed as covid. Even with all that and with all the fraud and numbers twisting, the whole thing is a hoax, comprising about a fifth the number of deaths to flu, and we have people afraid for their lives. We have absurd mask wearing, lockdowns, social distancing.

DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT? DO YOU NOT HAVE TRUE DISCERNMENT FROM THE LORD, FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE?

This is about bringing in the Beast System. The vaccine and chip IS the Mark of the Beast, as far as I can see. The patent on the vaccine to Bill Gates is 060606. Zeros in freemasonry do not count, so it is 666, exactly what the Bible says the number of the beast is. The vaccines being tested have "luciferase" in it. Did you get that, luciferase? So a vaccine to go in your hand/arm with a chip, part of the ID 2020 program coordinated by Bill Gates to have every human with minor exceptions digitally implanted tied in with the Digital Currency (well in the plans) and social credit score, attached with your vaccination record for covid, so that if you don't have it, you cannot buy or sell.

Look what they are doing now, getting you all accustomed to these Orwellian abridgement of rights. They have most of you following mandates of wearing these ridiculous masks on your face, as though you are diseased, to tire you down to all this so that you will be more inclined to take the vaccine if only it will allow us to get back to normal. Bill Gates, as well as others, have already said that we are not going back to normal until most people are vaccinated.

You let these tyrants brainwash you with their news channels and programs, which they themselves control. They are constantly lying, making you fear You give in and think that you have to wear a mask to go in the store. They are not likely to stop you in most places, so stop doing it. You are playing into their psyop, of which satan lies. This is all this is. A giant psyop which is bringing about prophecy as indicated in Revelation, and here you are, blood bought by the Lamb believing this pack of lies. We have preachers who are absolutely clueless, showing no discernment on this. It's really sad. They are going along with these mandates, keeping their churches closed, following man over God, even when the Bible tells us not to forsake the assembling of the saints.

Brothers and sisters, I honestly believe that we are going to see some very prophetic events happening in the next year or two, fare more than we are already seeing. I tell you do not take the mark. Do not allow anyone to violate you and cause you to be damned for eternity.
 
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Covid-19 is a hoax.

The virus has never been isolated or purified.
The "test" only tests for the presence of an antibody response to a standard coronavirus, of which the common cold is.
Hospitals were paid thousands of dollars for a "covid patient", so they listed many of their patients with other ailments as having covid.
The CDC just admitted that only 6% of the deaths were attributed to covid, and that the rest were from other ailments, such as heart attacks, strokes, pneumonia, etc. When this is taken into consideration, that's fewer than twenty thousand deaths. The flu in a typical season kills far more.
The average age of death is over 80, which by the way is ABOVE the average lifespan. Old people are very susceptible to all kinds of colds, and they often die from them.

So, no evidence of a virus (never isolated). Anyone with a cold or flu like symptoms, or a standard coronavirus will test positive. It is not very deadly (well below one percent) if it were real, but it is not. It is old people dying in nursing homes from people intentionally sent there with pneumonia, listed as "covid". Others were simply people dying from other ailments, fraudulently listed as covid. Even with all that and with all the fraud and numbers twisting, the whole thing is a hoax, comprising about a fifth the number of deaths to flu, and we have people afraid for their lives. We have absurd mask wearing, lockdowns, social distancing.

DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT? DO YOU NOT HAVE TRUE DISCERNMENT FROM THE LORD, FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE?

This is about bringing in the Beast System. The vaccine and chip IS the Mark of the Beast, as far as I can see. The patent on the vaccine to Bill Gates is 060606. Zeros in freemasonry do not count, so it is 666, exactly what the Bible says the number of the beast is. The vaccines being tested have "luciferase" in it. Did you get that, luciferase? So a vaccine to go in your hand/arm with a chip, part of the ID 2020 program coordinated by Bill Gates to have every human with minor exceptions digitally implanted tied in with the Digital Currency (well in the plans) and social credit score, attached with your vaccination record for covid, so that if you don't have it, you cannot buy or sell.

Look what they are doing now, getting you all accustomed to these Orwellian abridgement of rights. They have most of you following mandates of wearing these ridiculous masks on your face, as though you are diseased, to tire you down to all this so that you will be more inclined to take the vaccine if only it will allow us to get back to normal. Bill Gates, as well as others, have already said that we are not going back to normal until most people are vaccinated.

You let these tyrants brainwash you with their news channels and programs, which they themselves control. They are constantly lying, making you fear You give in and think that you have to wear a mask to go in the store. They are not likely to stop you in most places, so stop doing it. You are playing into their psyop, of which satan lies. This is all this is. A giant psyop which is bringing about prophecy as indicated in Revelation, and here you are, blood bought by the Lamb believing this pack of lies. We have preachers who are absolutely clueless, showing no discernment on this. It's really sad. They are going along with these mandates, keeping their churches closed, following man over God, even when the Bible tells us not to forsake the assembling of the saints.

Brothers and sisters, I honestly believe that we are going to see some very prophetic events happening in the next year or two, fare more than we are already seeing. I tell you do not take the mark. Do not allow anyone to violate you and cause you to be damned for eternity.


Well... follow the thinking. Russian collusion = hoax. They are not afraid of pushing a lie en mass on the public.

Then... The "cheap" impeachment attempt that fell flat... They were not afraid to push the lie till they saw it having no traction.

Now... we have the Covid 19 hoax.

They are not afraid to lie. Matter of fact, they take pleasure in lying. Before it was an attack on the President alone. Now.. this one is designed to panic the people who dislike taking the time to become informed. It also appeals to those who have control lust, and wish to take a semi elitist approach of looking down upon the common man who does not trust the fake news media.
 
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This virus is morphing. It is changing as other superbugs have. Like with anything, different people react differently. People over 100, with other health issues, have survived it, 9 year olds with no other problems have died. More and more children are getting it. Of those who have survived it--many are left with neurological problems, lasting months and could be permanent. There are changes in the brain. The most common problem is that the body develops a whole lot of blood clots. There can be literally hundreds of them and they might kill you much later after recovery. This is definitely not just a bad cold, even though a few may react to it very mildly. So far, the one thing that does kill it is the Zinc lozenges.
We will not know the full extant of this thing for about another year when the after affects can be more easily be evaluated. Immunity seems to last for only 3 months. Don't believe the bull that this is just a bad cold. The after affects are far worse than a bad cold.

Listen for your own good. This thing is nothing but fiction. Read my previous post on the subject. Stop watching mainstream news if that is what you are doing because the enemy controls them. You're not going to hear much truth on them.
 
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The virus has never been isolated or purified.
The "test" only tests for the presence of an antibody response to a standard coronavirus, of which the common cold is.

No.

Coronavirus: Scientists isolate virus responsible for deadly Covid-19 outbreak
Canadian research team says work will help inform global response to worsening pandemic
Harry Cockburn
Friday 13 March 2020 12:23

A Canadian team of scientists has successfully isolated a strain of the coronavirus and grown samples in a lab to help study the pathogen responsible for the deadly global pandemic.
...
It is not the first time the virus has been isolated. Chinese scientists first did so, and research teams in Australia and Italy are also among those who have isolated and grown samples of the virus in laboratories.
Scientists isolate coronavirus strain responsible for deadly Covid-19 outbreak

Amazing, the weird myths that the extreme right wing has touted about this virus.


This should be in conspiracy theories particularly after the last couple of posts.

I think so, this one went off the rails immediately.



 
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You are siding with those who crave to run the lives of others.



If I started to show you some.... you would ignore. Make excuses. And, keep spinning back to the data that sticks it to those who want to protect their freedoms.

If not? Why have you not seen all the valid reports that tell you the Deep State position is not truth?


These parties were not stopped initially, even though they were advertised on social media - they were allowed to go ahead until someone reported them, as I mentioned earlier a woman was tragically shot dead, and three others shot and injured at one. You cannot tell law-enforcement to mind their own business if they have been invited to investigate. The authorities let these parties go ahead and only got involved when asked.

The two guys arrested were none too bright for holding another massive party - law enforcement would not be there if they had not been asked to be. You hold an event in your house, you have to be able to keep it from getting out of hand, some people must be responsible for it. If its not your own property, if its rented you are required to return it to the company in the condition it was rented to you. If these parties were advertised on social media then there is no way for the hosts to know if some of those arriving are going to be troublemakers. In one instance I seen dozens of cars were parked on each side of a narrow road, preventing ambulances or fire appliances from getting through in an emergency.
 
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Coronavirus: Scientists isolate virus responsible for deadly Covid-19 outbreak
Canadian research team says work will help inform global response to worsening pandemic
Harry Cockburn
Friday 13 March 2020 12:23

A Canadian team of scientists has successfully isolated a strain of the coronavirus and grown samples in a lab to help study the pathogen responsible for the deadly global pandemic.
...
It is not the first time the virus has been isolated. Chinese scientists first did so, and research teams in Australia and Italy are also among those who have isolated and grown samples of the virus in laboratories.
Scientists isolate coronavirus strain responsible for deadly Covid-19 outbreak

Amazing, the weird myths that the extreme right wing has touted about this virus.




I think so, this one went off the rails immediately.



Even if it exists as a strain, it is not deadly, by and large, and the responses to this are definitely Orwellian. Are you going to take the vaccine? Do you not trust God? Do you believe that a synthetic chemical in your body is more effective than allowing your own God-given immune system to take care of things naturally? Are you okay with giving up freedom? Let me guess, you trust the mainstream media when they lie all the time.
 
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Even if it exists as a strain, it is not deadly

It's killed over 191,000 Americans. They would disagree with you, except they can't. They're dead.

Do you not trust God?


Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

God is not obligated to bail you out when you don't take care of yourself.


Do you believe that a synthetic chemical in your body is more effective than allowing your own God-given immune system to take care of things naturally?

That's how we ended the scourge of smallpox forever. That's why kids don't die of measles routinely now.

Matthew 4:7, you know.

Are you okay with giving up freedom?

How am I less free for taking a flu shot? That's not a rhetorical question. Please explain.

Let me guess, you trust the mainstream media when they lie all the time.

"They are all lying! All of them. They are lying!!!"

Sorry, not credible.


 
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It's killed over 191,000 Americans. They would disagree with you, except they can't. They're dead.

Friend, many of the people on these forums who buy into conspiracy theories are not wise it seems, they believe contradictory conspiracies!!

Well the WHO was supposed to be the bogeyman behind all this scare to bring about lockdowns and discourage people from travelling and basically bring us all back within our borders - But in fact the WHO was publishing advice that lockdowns were not really very effective before this pandemic ever happened, and now they are telling governments to listen to what anti-lockdown protestors are saying.

Errors often come in equally and opposite pairs as seems to be the case here. There the view that the virus is a fiction - held incredibly by some here, and there is the error that everyone that had the virus and died was killed directly by COVID-19 = untrue also. Most deaths were due to co-morbidities, but there is lag before one can know that - its not a conspiracy, its a failure in the manner of reporting - there should be updates perhaps at most once a week on COVID, meaningful presentations that explain how many people have recovered, and how many people actually currently have it, not how many are in intensive care or have died (from comorbidities) I just think people should listen to less of the TV daily news.
 
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Listen for your own good. This thing is nothing but fiction. Read my previous post on the subject. Stop watching mainstream news if that is what you are doing because the enemy controls them. You're not going to hear much truth on them.

Funny, that is what I was going to post you|!! I*'ve been in the medical field 30 years. Still have many medical personnel as friends and have access to much medical literature not available to general publics... No, it is not a hoax, you are the ones that are the hoax and listen to a bunch of bull. You will not know it until much later, probably after you're dead from it. Maybe you will never truly comprehend this thing. Hoax's do not leave those who survive this ridi8led with blood clots that can kill them later, damaged brains, damaged neurological pathways, for months afterward, maybe even permanently. Antibodies to it are only there for about 3 months and they dwindle in number so that some may not have immunity even though they show antibodies, there are just not enough of them to make you immune. People like you are the problem. You may survive this, even with your ignorance, but you may be putting others in danger and only God knows what damage people like you have caused. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who has knowingly given this to someone else and they get sick or have lasting damage should be held responsible, even for their death. God knows even when we may not be able to track down the killers. Murder is murder, even when done through refusal to see truth. Not the same thing as innocent ignorance, this is willful refusal to consider the lives of others and God will hold them accountable. Keep your ignorance to yourself and don't infect others with it.
 
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