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[The Barbarian]

The latest far-right defense of Trump's botched COVID-19 response is a lie about Obama and H1N1

Trump Youth leader Charlie Kirk is trying to get a new coronavirus talking point going, and Donald Trump is eager to help: But what about the 2009 H1N1 “swine flu”? Specifically, what about the Obama administration’s allegedly botched response to it?

Kirk is spreading lies, but he got a Trump retweet and Rudy Giuliani signed on to the effort to make Donald Trump’s COVID-19 response look less bad by lying about Obama’s H1N1 response.

“This is your daily reminder that it took Barack Obama until October of 2009 to declare Swine Flu a National Health Emergency,” Kirk tweeted. “It began in April of ‘09 but Obama waited until 20,000 people in the US had been hospitalized & 1,000+ had died. Where was the media hysteria then?”

Facts: President Obama declared a public health emergency in April 2009, when there had been just 20 cases of H1N1 confirmed in the U.S., and no deaths. A funding request followed two days later. In October, when there had been 1,000 deaths, Obama declared a national emergency.

(See, there are two different kinds of emergency: a public health emergency, and a national emergency. They trigger different possibilities for action. Obama declared one more or less immediately and the other six months later.)
The latest far-right defense of Trump's botched COVID-19 response is a lie about Obama and H1N1

Here's how it went when Obama faced the same crisis:

Here's how Trump is doing:

Kinda tells it all, um?

 

[The Barbarian]

A microscopic virus can get through almost any mask.

No. It's not a matter of mechanical filtration. Incoming particles tend to adhere to any fibers they contact. So depending on the fiber, there will be entrapment of many virus particles moving through the mask, mostly by electrostatic forces. This is why they provide some benefit to wearers.

 

[Tony Ramirez]

Masks don't protect fully. Only an hazmat suit fully protects. Otherwise it can get in through the eyes and by touch. A mask is like a mid evil knight only wearing an helmet to protect himself from battle.

 

[GenemZ]

The Swedish people are far easier to herd or manage. And they know full well the benefits of wearing masks. Note what happens when the death rate rises to 15% of the population:

But it was too late. The virus had already crept inside, and eventually killed 11 of the 76 inhabitants.
It was only after the home required employees to wear face shields and masks when working with all the residents, even those displaying no symptoms, that it managed to halt the spread of the infection, Ms. Kraitsik said.

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The minister of health and social affairs, Ms. Hallengren, acknowledged that there had been a shortage of protective gear, though she also noted that “many people in the health care sector for the elderly aren’t used to working with P.P.E.”

Let the elderly stay home. Let the work force... work. Make sense please.

 

[GenemZ]

Masks don't protect fully. Only an hazmat suit fully protects. Otherwise it can get in through the eyes and by touch. A mask is like a mid evil knight only wearing an helmet to protect himself from battle.

Funny.... as a friendly gift from the dept of health people I knew, I was given an honorary hazmat suit. Its going to be a collectors item someday.

 

[The Liturgist]

Sorry, but it has been investigated by several doctors. Here are just a couple.

Can zinc really help protect you from COVID-19?
Right around the time COVID-19 started gaining traction in the U.S., an email from pathologist James Robb went viral.

James, who is one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses, provided advice for preventing it’s spread. A lot of his advice is stuff you’ve been hearing for weeks now…

Wash your hands frequently (and at least for 20 seconds). Use sanitizer after being out in public. Find alternative ways to open doors (like using your hip).

But there was one piece of advice included in his email that I haven’t heard much about in mainstream coverage of how to stay healthy during this epidemic…

Stock up on zinc lozenges.

James said that zinc lozenges “have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx.”

Now, in case you’re wondering, James confirmed that the email was actually something he sent and wasn’t just some online hoax. But there’s probably another question on your mind…
Read the rest:
Can zinc really help protect you from COVID-19?


Calling the specific virus that is causing COVID-19 “coronavirus” is a bit like calling the Ford Explorer “the SUV.” Both statements are true, but with both, one is part of the other. There are lots of different SUVs; there are lots of different coronaviruses.
Many common colds are caused by coronaviruses. Various scientific studies (we’ll get to those in a moment) have shown zinc lozenges to be effective in shortening the misery phase of common colds. So in the face of a coronavirus pandemic, here’s a big question many are asking: can zinc shorten the duration of – or even diminish the symptom load and thereby lessen the impact – of COVID-19?

The answer is we don’t know yet. But to twist the analogy: if changing the oil helps a Jeep Grand Cherokee avoid the shop, it’s a good bet that doing the same will benefit the Ford Explorer, too.

Dr. Ian Tullberg bears no responsibility for the above comparison. But as far as helping patients get over colds, “there’s good evidence that oral zinc works well,” the medical director of UCHealth Medical Group Urgent Care said.

With respect to the specific coronavirus that is causing the pandemic now, “the problem is that this is still so early that we don’t have the knowledge if it works or not,” Tullberg said. “However, zinc is something that will not hurt you, and there may be some benefit.”

Those who swear by zinc as a cold remedy know to take it when they first start to feel a scratchy throat. They try to hit it early – right when the cold’s coming on. Research spanning decades has shown that using zinc lozenges through the course of the cold does make a difference.

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Zinc could help diminish the extent of COVID-19 | UCHealth Today

I'm sure you will find differing opinions, it doesn't hurt to try it out. I've used them for years with no problems. As with anything, never to excess. People have a tendency to overuse anything---you can even drink too much water.

The problems with anosmia in Zicam occurred as a result of routine use; the makers of the drug lost a class action lawsuit. What is more, Zicam is a homeopathic remedy. Its not really a viable medication for treating SARS-Cov2, which is why we aren’t seeing it in use in the ER, ICU and other critical care settings.

 

[Hawkins]

The most effectiveness of a mask is to prevent your own saliva from coming. Saliva is usually the source of such a kind of virus to go from one person to another. The effectiveness is considered proven in highly populated areas such as cities in China, Taiwan and Hong Kong. It is said that in order for masks to work this way to prevent an out break of the corona virus, it requires 95% people to wear a mask when going outdoor.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Saliva is usually the source of such a kind of virus to go from one person to another.

It's not saliva, actually. In order for the oxygen to exchange across the lung into the blood, the air must had very high humidity. The body humidifies the air to nearly 100% at temperatures near body temperature, and it exits into the colder ambient air at this concentration during exhalation. The colder air cannot maintain this humidity, and the water falls out of vapor into an aerosol form. The source of this moisture is the nasal passages and the lungs, not the mouth, where the salivary glands reside.

(It's just water, not spit.)

 

[Hawkins]

It's not saliva, actually. In order for the oxygen to exchange across the lung into the blood, the air must had very high humidity. The body humidifies the air to nearly 100% at temperatures near body temperature, and it exits into the colder ambient air at this concentration during exhalation. The colder air cannot maintain this humidity, and the water falls out of vapor into an aerosol form. The source of this moisture is the nasal passages and the lungs, not the mouth, where the salivary glands reside.

(It's just water, not spit.)

Humid air may contribute to a contract. The main point is, a mask can reduce the effectiveness of such a kind of contribution when saliva is blocked from coming out in the first place.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

No. It's not a matter of mechanical filtration. Incoming particles tend to adhere to any fibers they contact. So depending on the fiber, there will be entrapment of many virus particles moving through the mask, mostly by electrostatic forces. This is why they provide some benefit to wearers.

I agree. We might call it size exclusion, versus charge exclusion. When it comes to air filtration, as opposed to liquid filtration, a filter can easily capture particles vastly smaller than the pore size, because of electrostatic attraction. They don't need to accidentally touch a fiber on their way through the filter, but they are drawn to it as they pass near it.

The masks do provide some benefit. I wouldn't have people getting too confident in them, though.

 

[The Barbarian]

The masks do provide some benefit. I wouldn't have people getting too confident in them, though.

Like seat belts. They work, but they aren't a guarantee.

I like your user name.

 

[Tony Ramirez]

I am actually surprised at society accepting wearing masks. You will think there would be more people protesting. I never expected the masses to accept it.

I must have a dislike for masks from a past experience when I was about 3 or 4 years I was in the hospital and nearly died so seeing people wearing masks really gets too me.

 

[GenemZ]

Masks are history repeating itself... It was dumb then, and its no different now. The psychological effect is what its good for.. Its what uniformed people are succumbing to now. In 1918 they even wore gauze masks thinking it would save them!

pandemic masks 1918 - Why was there a backlash against face masks during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918?

 

[The Barbarian]

Bottom line? Surgeons and other OR personnel wear them because they work. They wouldn't do it, otherwise. And yes, I know:

"But my Aunt Harriet told me that Rush Limbaugh said they didn't work. So there!" Doctors also knew that abusing drugs was bad for your brain, and Limbaugh had to learn that the hard way. Hopefully, it won't happen to him again on this issue.

A half-wit decided to politicize an important protective device, pretending it won't work, and the sheeple fell right into line.

 

[dms1972]

Given that people with or without the virus, breath both in and out, masks should be universally mandated.

How is there going to be enough of these masks to go around, if they are "universally mandated"?, and because its doubly important for healthcare staff to have their adequate portion, what would you recommend be done to maintain those supplies? Its one thing posting on a forum that they should be "universally mandated" (a phrase that lacking further explanation is rather meaningless).

 

[SkyWriting]

How is there going to be enough of these masks to go around, if they are "universally mandated"?, and because its doubly important for healthcare staff to have their adequate portion, what would you recommend be done to maintain those supplies? Its one thing posting on a forum that they should be "universally mandated" (a phrase that lacking further explanation is rather meaningless).

Even single-use masks can be washed. My wife says they make it through wash cycles just fine.
So if you need five, I will send them to you. I have a box in my car.

 

[SkyWriting]

The most effectiveness of a mask is to prevent your own saliva from coming. Saliva is usually the source of such a kind of virus to go from one person to another. The effectiveness is considered proven in highly populated areas such as cities in China, Taiwan and Hong Kong. It is said that in order for masks to work this way to prevent an out break of the corona virus, it requires 95% people to wear a mask when going outdoor.

A mask also keeps you from picking your nose. Going direct from doorknobs...or just Knobs, to your nose or mouth.

 

[dms1972]

If face masks are required to be worn by everyone (which would be pretty much unenforcable - and distract the police from normal policing tasks) - how would there be enough to go round - there is a limited supply. I think it would be better if hospitals had a subdivision that could manufacture their own PPE, and therefore produce whatever quantity they estimate would be needed in the coming year. This would mean that when PPE was in short supply, they would not have to order it from the other side of the world with the risks of it maybe being old stock thats been in a warehouse for years, or getting soiled in transit. It also means they would be using stock that had been freshly manufactured. I don't know whether or not that sort of sub-divisional in-house manufacturing is used by many health services?

 

[dms1972]

Even single-use masks can be washed. My wife says they make it through wash cycles just fine.
So if you need five, I will send them to you. I have a box in my car.

Thanks for the offer, I re-wash my own, with a dilute solution of bleach. I find it works best if they are not left in the water for a long time, but just submerged briefly then left to dry.

 

[dms1972]

Masks are history repeating itself... It was dumb then, and its no different now. The psychological effect is what its good for.. Its what uniformed people are succumbing to now. In 1918 they even wore gauze masks thinking it would save them!

pandemic masks 1918 - Why was there a backlash against face masks during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918?

There has been studies (I quoted one up the thread) done which demonstrate that wearing a mask significantly reduces the distance water droplets travel if a person coughs or sneezes. This is nothing like the pandemic of 1918

The issue of comfort mentioned in the article would seem to be moot nowadays, they are much better made, unless someone has an allergy to the material - that would be a very very small number of people - and as I have said its not a matter of forcing everyone to wear one everywhere, its only a matter of asking people to wear one in situations such as when on public transport to limit the spread. Immunity is the best defence, you cannot force people who are elderly or have weak immune systems to become immune. A multifaceted approach is needed, not a one size suits all approach.