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They can maybe where you live, but we have a Constitution that allows freedom of speech (protests), and religious freedom (meeting together at church).

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What is the issue then? Are Christians banned from getting on the phone and praying with each other, or meeting together on Zoom? Are families being prevented from worshipping the Lord in their homes?
 
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Doctors and all healthcare workers today wear masks
when dealing with infectious patients 24 hours a day.

It works for them and your argument holds no water.

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Its the exhale the masks work for. When working with very ill patients with a compromised immune system you do not want to introduce them to any more infections. Its to keep the breath beads from reaching anyone. But, on inhale? A microscopic virus can get through almost any mask.

This is what they would need to get if it were to protect themselves. Not the ones they now use. Its a new invention.. and, very expensive.

Israeli mask maker Sonovia expects 99% coronavirus success after lab test

And, this... From the Mayo Clinic.

COVID-19: How much protection do face masks offer?
 
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And, this... From the Mayo Clinic.

And, this... From the Mayo Clinic.

While surgical and N95 masks may be in short supply and should be reserved for health care providers, cloth face coverings and masks are easy to find or make, and can be washed and reused.

Masks can be made from common materials, such as sheets made of tightly woven cotton. Instructions are easy to find online. Cloth masks should include multiple layers of fabric. The CDC website even includes directions for no-sew masks made from bandannas and T-shirts.

How to wear a cloth face mask
 
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Its the exhale the masks work for. When working with very ill patients with a compromised immune system you do not want to introduce them to any more infections. Its to keep the breath beads from reaching anyone. But, on inhale? A microscopic virus can get through almost any mask.

This is what they would need to get if it were to protect themselves. Not the ones they now use. Its a new invention.. and, very expensive.

Israeli mask maker Sonovia expects 99% coronavirus success after lab test

And, this... From the Mayo Clinic.

COVID-19: How much protection do face masks offer?

Given that people with or without the virus, breath both in and out, masks should be universally mandated.

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Given that people with or without the virus, breath both in and out, masks should be universally mandated.

So we will have the virus with us for a very long time by not allowing it to take its normal course?

The media makes things sound much worse than they are. Its politically expedient for them to do so. They are finding after testing hundreds of new cases? Sure. There should be millions of cases before it finishes its course.

Many are now afraid they may catch it and already had it without knowing it. In the past such viruses were not tested for. Millions went about their business because their immune system was up to snuff. The economy was not being shut down. Its become a political agenda tool of the left and socialists whop want to control others.


FYI... I worked with dept of health people for over three months. They did not wear masks, unless mandated by some institution's rules while on its premises. They never wore one around me nor their coworkers after being punched out for the day. They knew a few things that others are not being told....
 
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I worked with dept of health people for over three months. They did not wear masks.... Unless mandated by some institution's rules while on its premises. They know a few things that others are not being told....

Every group feels they are immune to disease. They especially feel they are "Clean" and so not spreaders. They justify such stupidity with things like "We are tested every month" and such.

10% to 20% of U.S. coronavirus cases are health care workers. (dept of health people)
 
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Every group feels they are immune to disease. They especially feel they are "Clean" and so not spreaders. They justify such stupidity with things like "We are tested every month" and such.

10% to 20% of U.S. coronavirus cases are health care workers. (dept of health people)

They were not working with patients. Those who do must wear masks. There are doctors that have been censored because they know much of what we are told to frighten us is a hoax. Its a political agenda ploy to shutdown the economy. People have always died even from the flu that we did not make a big deal about.
 
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They were not working with patients. Those who do must wear masks. There are doctors that have been censored because they know much of what we are told to frighten us is a hoax. Its a political agenda ploy to shutdown the economy. People have always died even from the flu that we did not make a big deal about.

China did not invent this hoax to harm your choice of politicalparty.
Check the news stories from January

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China did not invent this hoax to harm your choice of politicalparty.
Check the news stories from January

Search Results
Web results

China Stopped Its Economy to Tackle Coronavirus. Now the ...

Mar 2, 2020 - The virtual shutdown of one of the world's biggest economies is hurting business around the globe, from multinational firms to truck drivers and ...

China ShutDown: Latest News & Videos, Photos about China ...
economictimes.indiatimes.com › topic › China-ShutDownChina ShutDown Latest Breaking News, Pictures, Videos, and Special Reports from The Economic Times. China ShutDown Blogs, Comments and Archive ...

Here's what China's coronavirus shutdown did to global ...
www.marketwatch.com › story › heres-what-chinas-coron...

May 12, 2020 - China has lost market share when it comes to U.S. imports, possibly strengthening a trend that's seen manufacturers move capacity back to the ...

China Locks Down 33 Million People in 10 Cities to Stop ...

www.thedailybeast.com › coronavirus-forces-china-to-s...
Damage control....
 
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Every group feels they are immune to disease. They especially feel they are "Clean" and so not spreaders. They justify such stupidity with things like "We are tested every month" and such.

10% to 20% of U.S. coronavirus cases are health care workers. (dept of health people)

:scratch: ... Its such a deadly disease that one must be tested to see if you have it.

I spoke with a nurse who was furious about what she saw ... In the hospital they will receive a great sum of money per bed of someone dying from Covid 9. She was seeing people who died of other causes being listed C-19 deaths for that reason... and, simply because they could be tested to see if they were exposed.

Heart attack? It was Covid-9. Cancer? Cause of death? Covid 19. That is one reason we see the numbers we have been getting. She was livid about it. I then contacted the people I knew who were working for the dept of health, and told them what that nurse told me. Instead of questioning what I was told. They looked me in the eye and with a disgusted look told me that they already knew that.

Its politics! Its been fake news on steroids.
 
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:scratch: ... Its such a deadly disease that one must be tested to see if you have it.
That made me suspicious. Test to see if you've got it before you have symptoms? When they also say that those who don't have symptoms don't have it.
Its politics! Its been fake news on steroids.
The fake news engine has been going since Kennedy was shot in 1964. That is at least my first experience of it.
 
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So far, the one thing that does kill it is the Zinc lozenges.

That has not been proven, and Zicam has a bad reputation for causing permanent anosmia when used with influenza.

Ribavarin and innoculation with the plsama of recuperated patients do appear promising, however. There is also a steroid normally used to treat inflammation like arthritis which the English NHS found to make a huge difference among the sickest ICU patients on respirators.
 
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Given that people with or without the virus, breath both in and out, masks should be universally mandated.

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I disagree. Sweden has not had a mask mandate and does not advise their use, and the Swedish economy is surviving the crisis well, with mortality levels that are frankly, acceptable.
 
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I disagree. Sweden has not had a mask mandate and does not advise their use, and the Swedish economy is surviving the crisis well, with mortality levels that are frankly, acceptable.

The Swedish people are far easier to herd or manage. And they know full well the benefits of wearing masks. Note what happens when the death rate rises to 15% of the population:

But it was too late. The virus had already crept inside, and eventually killed 11 of the 76 inhabitants.
It was only after the home required employees to wear face shields and masks when working with all the residents, even those displaying no symptoms, that it managed to halt the spread of the infection, Ms. Kraitsik said.


Continue reading the main story

The minister of health and social affairs, Ms. Hallengren, acknowledged that there had been a shortage of protective gear, though she also noted that “many people in the health care sector for the elderly aren’t used to working with P.P.E.”
 
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I disagree. Sweden has not had a mask mandate and does not advise their use, and the Swedish economy is surviving the crisis well, with mortality levels that are frankly, acceptable.

We are winning the race to kill the most people possible.



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:scratch: ... Its such a deadly disease that one must be tested to see if you have it.

I spoke with a nurse who was furious about what she saw ... In the hospital they will receive a great sum of money per bed of someone dying from Covid 9. She was seeing people who died of other causes being listed C-9 deaths for that reason... and, simply because they could be tested to see if they were exposed.

Heart attack? It was Covid-9. Cancer? Cause of death? Covid 9. That is one reason we see the numbers we have been getting. She was livid about it. I then contacted the people I knew who were working for the dept of health, and told them what that nurse told me. Instead of questioning what I was told. They looked me in the eye and with a disgusted look told me that they already knew that.

Its politics! Its been fake news on steroids.

We actually have the highest number of unreported deaths rather than overreporting covid deaths.
207,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Outbreak


How excess deaths compare with reported Covid-19 deaths
AREA PCT. ABOVE NORMAL EXCESS
DEATHS
REPORTED COVID-19 DEATHS = DIFFERENCE
U.S.
March 1 - August 1 18% 213,500 − 154,917 = 58,600
Peru
March - July 134% 57,900 − 19,021 = 38,900
Ecuador
March - July 93% 28,100 − 5,702 = 22,400
Mexico City
March 2 - August 2 97% 28,100 − 8,993 = 19,100
Spain
March 2 - August 9 28% 46,800 − 28,576 = 18,200
Bolivia
March - July 84% 15,500 − 2,894 = 12,600
Italy
March - June 22% 43,700 − 34,747 = 9,000
South Africa
March 4 - July 28 7% 14,900 − 7,257 = 7,600
 
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That has not been proven, and Zicam has a bad reputation for causing permanent anosmia when used with influenza.

Ribavarin and innoculation with the plsama of recuperated patients do appear promising, however. There is also a steroid normally used to treat inflammation like arthritis which the English NHS found to make a huge difference among the sickest ICU patients on respirators.


Sorry, but it has been investigated by several doctors. Here are just a couple.

Can zinc really help protect you from COVID-19?
Right around the time COVID-19 started gaining traction in the U.S., an email from pathologist James Robb went viral.

James, who is one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses, provided advice for preventing it’s spread. A lot of his advice is stuff you’ve been hearing for weeks now…

Wash your hands frequently (and at least for 20 seconds). Use sanitizer after being out in public. Find alternative ways to open doors (like using your hip).

But there was one piece of advice included in his email that I haven’t heard much about in mainstream coverage of how to stay healthy during this epidemic…

Stock up on zinc lozenges.

James said that zinc lozenges “have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx.”

Now, in case you’re wondering, James confirmed that the email was actually something he sent and wasn’t just some online hoax. But there’s probably another question on your mind…
Read the rest:
Can zinc really help protect you from COVID-19?


Calling the specific virus that is causing COVID-19 “coronavirus” is a bit like calling the Ford Explorer “the SUV.” Both statements are true, but with both, one is part of the other. There are lots of different SUVs; there are lots of different coronaviruses.
Many common colds are caused by coronaviruses. Various scientific studies (we’ll get to those in a moment) have shown zinc lozenges to be effective in shortening the misery phase of common colds. So in the face of a coronavirus pandemic, here’s a big question many are asking: can zinc shorten the duration of – or even diminish the symptom load and thereby lessen the impact – of COVID-19?

The answer is we don’t know yet. But to twist the analogy: if changing the oil helps a Jeep Grand Cherokee avoid the shop, it’s a good bet that doing the same will benefit the Ford Explorer, too.

Dr. Ian Tullberg bears no responsibility for the above comparison. But as far as helping patients get over colds, “there’s good evidence that oral zinc works well,” the medical director of UCHealth Medical Group Urgent Care said.

With respect to the specific coronavirus that is causing the pandemic now, “the problem is that this is still so early that we don’t have the knowledge if it works or not,” Tullberg said. “However, zinc is something that will not hurt you, and there may be some benefit.”

Those who swear by zinc as a cold remedy know to take it when they first start to feel a scratchy throat. They try to hit it early – right when the cold’s coming on. Research spanning decades has shown that using zinc lozenges through the course of the cold does make a difference.

Read the rest:
Zinc could help diminish the extent of COVID-19 | UCHealth Today

I'm sure you will find differing opinions, it doesn't hurt to try it out. I've used them for years with no problems. As with anything, never to excess. People have a tendency to overuse anything---you can even drink too much water.
 
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Obama & Biden stopped H1N1 testing amid pandemic, got away with it

Yeah, they stopped it after it was no longer useful.

How do we know that?

Because it worked. Obama followed the advice of their pandemic team, and so they stopped the virus. Trump ignored the advice of his experts and so the pandemic is still out of control, months after other nations have gone back to normal life.

That's the difference.
 
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