This is Rediculous

[Scottish Highlander]

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[Scottish Highlander]

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[Scottish Highlander]

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[The Barbarian]

Huge agreement. If people want to wear useless masks,

There are all sorts of ways to make them useless. Here's one of the more common ones:

But at least it's approximately right.

 

[The Barbarian]

Our skin is a designed defense system.

Yep. As you said, that's why surgeons wear masks.

 

[Scottish Highlander]

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[The Barbarian]

GirdYourLoins said: ↑
The bubonic plague was spread by fleas. Covid19 is spread in water droplets in your breath. the difference is clear to see. Your argument is clearly flawed.

ok, I don't care

That might be the problem.

 

[Scottish Highlander]

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[Tony Ramirez]

but only for the purposes of not having idiots bother me in public when I'm trying to mind my own business.

Does not work I still got guys asking me for money and old lady's asking for directions.

 

[SeventyOne]

There are all sorts of ways to make them useless. Here's one of the more common ones:


But at least it's approximately right.

They are completely useless no matter how they are being worn, with the possible exception of making the gullible feel like they are doing 'something'.

 

[SeventyOne]

Does not work I still got guys asking me for money and old lady's asking for directions.

I was referring more to the new mask-nazi abominations.

 

[GenemZ]

Just because you had it and reacted that way does not mean everybody else does the same. You can also be a carrier of it and have no symptoms at all. It is not just a cold. It doesn't just kill the old or immune-suppressed either it has even killed healthy children.
Right now an online friends daughter, 37 has COVID and she has been ill for over a month and is still struggling to breathe. She says she literally stays with her all night to check that she is still breathing.

The only (few) children we see harmed here are a few who had a compromised immune system to begin with.

If the news media had treated any other major flu season (which has many deaths that are not normally sensationalized and reported) they could have shut down your country years ago. Power grabbers have studied this phenomena and planned on how to implement it in controlling the masses to stifle freedom and to gain power. Lots of Americans are now playing along with the game in hopes that after the next election someone is going to rip the curtain back and allow us to see the man hiding behind it. Many think its a joke that it is. A joke on the misinformed.

And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed
at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at
work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is
taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom
the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy
by the splendor of his coming." 2 Thes 2:6-8​

Even though the Antichrist is not yet in control, his backing system has always been with us, trying to work ways to make ready for a one world government. Its one reason why socialists hate Christianity so much.

 

[dms1972]

I agree that its useless for sterile environment or for hospital workers.

But the reason for wearing them in public, like in a public transport, is to limit the spread of the virus at least a little bit. If a talking foreign person standing next to you in a tram has a mask, almost all droplets are caught. If he is talking without a mask, it all lands on you, on your face, eyes, mouth.

Or imagine a sneezing person without and with a mask. How the mask lower the distance of spreading for people around him. Instead of infecting three in a row, he may infect only two, because of that.

Yes, I agree its not perfect, but that was never the point of the cloth masks.

I know you are arguing that face masks can be of benefit in public places but you begin by conceding they are useless in sterile enviroments. Please think carefully before conceding on such a point.

They are not "useless for sterile enviroments" - if a doctor is doing eye, nose, and throat examines and a patient coughes involuntarily, then it seems reasonable to me to think there is a risk of being exposed to a higher concentration of droplets because of close proximity. A mask would not protect the doctor completely but it would perhaps lessen the risk of high exposure. Surgeons and theatre staff mainly use them to absorb any spray from their mouth when talking during surgery, as they have to talk while operating. The logic of "not perfect, therefore useless" in this instance, is flawed, and even dangerous. These attacks on the usefulness of facemasks is idiotic at best and at worst a highly dangerous trend There's no big deal with wearing a mask on public transport, some people talk as if its the sign of the beast - in fact during an epidemic if in close quarters with a lot of people it makes a lot of sense.

The primary way the coronavirus spreads is from person to person by respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes or talks. Face masks, however, can block these droplets. They act as a barrier to keep virus-containing particles from escaping an infected individual and landing on another person, explains Ron Waldman, M.D., professor of global health at the George Washington University (GWU) Milken Institute School of Public Health

A new simulation from researchers at Florida Atlantic University illustrates just how effective face coverings can be in reducing the number of droplets that are dispersed into the air and the distance they travel. Without a mask, droplets traveled more than 8 feet. A bandanna cut the distance to 3 feet, 7 inches, and a folded cotton handkerchief reduced that distance even more, to 1 foot, 3 inches, the researchers note.

"There's no question; it's indisputable that wearing even a cloth face covering cuts down substantially on the amount of virus that's shared by an individual,” Waldman says.

5 Reasons You Should Wear a Face Mask to Lower Risk​

My only concern is shortages for frontline staff. I think in some parts of the world, supply of face masks and PPE was protected by law, so that places were they are needed most ie. Hospitals, Doctors surgeries etc., would not have to go begging. That ought to be the way of things - protected supplies so there is adequate supply for frontline staff.

 

[solid_core]

I know you are arguing that face masks can be of benefit in public places but you begin by conceding they are useless in sterile enviroments. Please think carefully before conceding on such a point.

They are not "useless for sterile enviroments" - if a doctor is doing eye, nose, and throat examines and a patient coughes involuntarily, then it seems reasonable to me to think there is a risk of being exposed to a higher concentration of droplets because of close proximity. A mask would not protect the doctor completely but it would perhaps lessen the risk of high exposure. Surgeons and theatre staff mainly use them to absorb any spray from their mouth when talking during surgery, as they have to talk while operating. The logic of "not perfect, therefore useless" in this instance, is seriously badly flawed, and even dangerous. These attacks on the usefulness of facemasks is idiotic at best and at worst a highly dangerous trend. There's no big deal with wearing a mask on public transport, some people talk as if its the sign of the beast - in fact during an epidemic if in close quarters with people it makes a lot of sense. My only concern is shortages for frontline staff.

Even though cloth masks can provide a little protection for the one wearing them, the main point is that it limits the infection spreading by limiting droplets from the person that is wearing it.

So we wear the cloth masks to protect others, not to protect us. We are protected by their masks and they are protected by our masks. Not 100%, but significantly.

 

[dms1972]

That is correct. My point was "they" are trying to stop us by forbidding our gatherings. The gates of hell can't stop the church

What do you think the "gates of hell" means in that verse, and why can they not stop the church?

 

[dms1972]

Even though cloth masks can provide a little protection for the one wearing them, the main point is that it limits the infection spreading by limiting droplets from the person that is wearing it.

So we wear the cloth masks to protect others, not to protect us. We are protected by their masks and they are protected by our masks. Not 100%, but significantly.

In agreeance with you, but they are effective in clinical enviroments also.

 

[The Barbarian]

I don't have a problem. I don't care to know what I don't care about at all. I'm unwatching this thread. Goodbye. everyone has done a tremendous job at irritating me so I don't care anymore to say anything. Any replies to me will be met with silence. I'll just let the "professional doctors" talk about this whole issue. I don't care. It's a bunch of nonsense to me. Everyone is already wearing surgical masks, might as well call them professional certified doctors because they sure do have an ego about what this nonsense virus is.

Someone does. But at least you don't have a problem. Well done and God bless.

 

[Berean Tim]

What do you think the "gates of hell" means in that verse, and why can they not stop the church?

It's Jesus who builds the church. It's his, the church can't be stopped. The"gates of hell" from the text I believe means the enemies of God man or demonic

 

[SkyWriting]

This mask stuff is nonsense. What is a piece of cloth going to do? Nothing. Reminds me of how ignorant people were when the bubonic plague killed half of Europe in 1347-51. What were the doctors wearing? Cloth gowns, yet they still got the plague because oh yea, a virus can go right through thin cloth.

Doctors and all healthcare workers today wear masks
when dealing with infectious patients 24 hours a day.

It works for them and your argument holds no water.

 

[SkyWriting]

They are completely useless no matter how they are being worn, with the possible exception of making the gullible feel like they are doing 'something'.

And nobody believes that who actually knows about results.