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I checked the first two. Of course, nobody proposes that health care workers in hospitals etc should wear cloth masks instead of surgical masks.

That would be illogical, its just a cloth, it cannot work in such environment and for so long.

The cloth masks are recommended for a general population, for example in a public transport, combined with social distancing. If you will have one wet, dirty cloth mask all day or in a party, of course its useless. Not to say for a health worker working closely with people for hours.
If cloth masks don't work and don't stop pathogens in sterile settings why would anyone believe they work in non-sterile settings? The only reason why people buy that is because they want it to be true or they're easily duped by government and the fake "expert" brigade on tv.
 
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If cloth masks don't work and don't stop pathogens in sterile settings why would anyone believe they work in non-sterile settings? The only reason why people buy that is because they want it to be true or they're easily duped by government and the fake "expert" brigade on tv.
It all depends on the situation it is used in.

I agree that its useless for sterile environment or for hospital workers.

But the reason for wearing them in public, like in a public transport, is to limit the spread of the virus at least a little bit. If a talking foreign person standing next to you in a tram has a mask, almost all droplets are caught. If he is talking without a mask, it all lands on you, on your face, eyes, mouth.

Or imagine a sneezing person without and with a mask. How the mask lower the distance of spreading for people around him. Instead of infecting three in a row, he may infect only two, because of that.

Yes, I agree its not perfect, but that was never the point of the cloth masks.
 
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Mask are just one step. Closing churches is another
It is impossible to close churches. Churches are a group of people. They can close the buildings that the people meet in, but they can't close the church.
 
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Only where you'd encounter others. Your house and to some degree, you car, are protected Constitutionally. It's not an absolute issue with a personal vehicle, but it is still somewhat protected.



About 330 million. Even with admittedly incomplete tallies of deaths, COVID-19 is now the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States. About 180,000 dead, looking to top out about 300,000 before the current outbreak ends.



You have some data for that? I suppose when you're very old, another year or two is a bigger deal that it might seem. Would you consider a couple of years lopped off your lifetime to be an issue?

(Barbarian checks)

Well, about 40 percent of the deaths are residents or healthcare workers at nursing homes. But the percentage is now dropping as the virus is being spread more widely.

Clusters are no longer mostly related to hospitals, nursing homes, and so on. Things like that bike rally in Sturgis, which spread dozens of clusters, for example. There have been 83 cases from that mess-up in Minnesota,alone:
MDH COVID-19 briefing: 46 Minnesota infections linked to Sturgis rally, cluster outbreaks on the rise



Ah, real...

When Ahmad Ayyad woke up, he was delirious. He didn't realize where he was, why there was a tube down his throat, or how long it had been since he last fed his dog.
And when he looked down, he couldn't recognize himself. Once a 215-pound athlete with chiseled muscles and astounding strength, the 40-year-old looked like a completely different person.
"I woke up and looked at my arms, my legs, and my muscles were gone," he said. "I was kind of freaking out, like where are my legs? Where did my legs go?"
Ayyad is a coronavirus survivor.
Doctors had placed him in an induced coma for 25 days to save his life.
It's been a little over two months since those touch-and-go days and he's still recovering. Still out of breath at times. Still nursing the damage to his lung and heart.
But he has a message -- for those who refuse to wear a mask during this pandemic, for those dismissive of public health guidance, for those in the prime of their health and feel invincible against coronavirus.
"It worries me a lot seeing people take this lightly," he told CNN on Tuesday. "I got it and survived, and I'm still terrified."
He was an athlete in the best shape of his life. Then Covid-19 nearly killed him - CNN

That's real.
One of the few token cases, as the fear mongering by CNN continues. :sigh:
 
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It is impossible to close churches. Churches are a group of people. They can close the buildings that the people meet in, but they can't close the church.
That is correct. My point was "they" are trying to stop us by forbidding our gatherings. The gates of hell can't stop the church
 
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I agree that the shutdown has been a catastrophe but the spread of the virus has been a catastrophe for the economy. So why make it even worse by continuing to spread the virus when there are simple things we can do to mitigate the spread so that businesses can stay open? :scratch: and kids can go back to school? :scratch: so their parents can keep working? :scratch:

Last I looked they are. You still in your basement???:scratch:

I have to wear a mask at Walmart where I work. My wife has to wear a mask at the Hospital she works at. You go to eat, yep, a mask until at your table. I saw teachers wearing masks at the school on my running route. We live in Mo. and our Republican Gov allowed the districts and Mayors leeway for each situation.
 
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It is impossible to close churches. Churches are a group of people. They can close the buildings that the people meet in, but they can't close the church.
They can maybe where you live, but we have a Constitution that allows freedom of speech (protests), and religious freedom (meeting together at church).

Silly...Uncle Willie. :D

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
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If cloth masks don't work and don't stop pathogens in sterile settings

Turns out, they do. They don't stop them entirely, they just reduce them to levels below minimum infectious dose. No more foolproof than seatbelts. But you wear them, don't you? Or do you rant at the government for having to wear those, too?

The only reason why people buy that is because they want it to be true or they're easily duped by government and the fake "expert" brigade on tv.

You've been listening to too many fake "experts." Fact is, they work and if worn correctly, work well.

A cloth mask is intended to trap droplets that are released when the wearer talks, coughs or sneezes. Asking everyone to wear cloth masks can help reduce the spread of the virus by people who have COVID-19 but don't realize it.

Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of the COVID-19 virus when they are widely used by people in public settings. And countries that required face masks, testing, isolation and social distancing early in the pandemic have successfully slowed the spread of the virus.

While surgical and N95 masks may be in short supply and should be reserved for health care providers, cloth face coverings and masks are easy to find or make, and can be washed and reused.

Masks can be made from common materials, such as sheets made of tightly woven cotton. Instructions are easy to find online. Cloth masks should include multiple layers of fabric. The CDC website even includes directions for no-sew masks made from bandannas and T-shirts.
Can face masks protect against the coronavirus?

Yes, I know... "The Mayo Clinic is lying, too!!! They're all lying! All of them are lying!!!!"
 
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It was just a reaction that to ban parties in a covid time is a government's desire to control...

So it's just a coincidence that the government decided to ban large gatherings precisely when that would limit the spread of a dangerous virus? You're very sure of that? How do you know?
 
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Just don't live in fear. Whatever happens, just give it to God.

But still buckle your safety belt and wear your mask.

Deuteronomy 6:16 Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God, as thou temptedst him in the place of temptation.
 
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I am a big fan of minding your own business.

I believe in wearing masks. I believe in social distancing.

I agree that masks are not perfect. But you know what, I have heard stories of people wearing masks, and they did not get the virus when other people did get the virus; but I also heard stories of people that wore masks and they still got the virus. So, there is all kinds of evidence.

But that is not the point of this thread.

Everyone knows the risks of having parties and going to clubs. If they want to go to parties, they should be aloud to without getting arrested. People shouldn't be monitored unless of course they are purposely killing people and hurting people. These people got arrested for having a house party, and yet we have protesters with way more people. We also have the Democratic and Republican conventions. It is so confusing for people. The rules are just changing.

Edit: I also believe that I don't have the right to tell people to wear a mask or anything. If people don't want to wear a mask that should be up to them. And if people want to wear a mask, they should have that right without people harassing them.

TikTok stars Bryce Hall, Blake Gray charged over LA house parties
You are so right on, my man.
 
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This mask stuff is nonsense. What is a piece of cloth going to do? Nothing. Reminds me of how ignorant people were when the bubonic plague killed half of Europe in 1347-51. What were the doctors wearing? Cloth gowns, yet they still got the plague because oh yea, a virus can go right through thin cloth. As a matter of fact, 9 out of every 10 plague doctors died because they got the plague so easily. The same ignorance applies today and then people wonder why so many people are getting the virus. I would think that people knew better but I guess not. Cloth does nothing!!!
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Next time you go in for surgery ask the surgeon to remove his mask, during the operation.
 
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Interesting! Shows what I know I guess. When I had it, it just felt like a cold but I reacted to it differently.

Just because you had it and reacted that way does not mean everybody else does the same. You can also be a carrier of it and have no symptoms at all. It is not just a cold. It doesn't just kill the old or immune-suppressed either it has even killed healthy children.
Right now an online friends daughter, 37 has COVID and she has been ill for over a month and is still struggling to breathe. She says she literally stays with her all night to check that she is still breathing.
 
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I don't mind disagreements. I'm always open to learning. In many ways, it literally does feel like the medieval ages. One guy might suggest mercury paste, another guy might suggest ground up worms, another one might say to wear earth worm necklaces, etc. to cure this that and the other in the medieval ages so it feels like that. It's quite interesting how far we've come!
You get zinc in oysters and other foods. Zinc helps a man's reproductive system. Its essential.

Ever look at the label on a bottle of a multi mineral formula? Adam's body was made from what? The elements of the earth. Zinc is one of those elements. It belongs in the body. It is people who are deficient in zinc that have something to worry about.

I believe calf/beef liver and onions, has lot's of natural zinc and other minerals that are great for our immune system.
 
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What is the infection rate of Covid-19?

Are some people with strong immune systems unlikely to catch it? Or is it super contagious and infects everyone?

When we reach 100 % it will move on. We can only delay it, not eliminate it until it takes its full course. We are all supposed to get it, sooner, or later. Many have had it and never knew it.

Its become a political tool to manipulate the masses as to take control over the sovereignty of nations. China refused to allow those living in the area of Wuhan (where it broke out) to travel around China (Wuhan is where a biologic research center is located). But, for some reason? China felt free to allow these same citizens to travel anywhere in the world. Coincidence?

Its the Devil's world... In other words? We get lied to often if we remain uninformed.
 
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Next time you go in for surgery ask the surgeon to remove his mask, during the operation.
Its not to protect the surgeon. Its to protect the patient who will be placed in a very compromised position. Imagine if the surgeon sneezed while a person was cut open? Or, coughed? Our skin is a designed defense system.
Skin Microbes and the Immune Response.
 
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I am a big fan of minding your own business.

I believe in wearing masks. I believe in social distancing.

I agree that masks are not perfect. But you know what, I have heard stories of people wearing masks, and they did not get the virus when other people did get the virus; but I also heard stories of people that wore masks and they still got the virus. So, there is all kinds of evidence.

But that is not the point of this thread.

Everyone knows the risks of having parties and going to clubs. If they want to go to parties, they should be aloud to without getting arrested. People shouldn't be monitored unless of course they are purposely killing people and hurting people. These people got arrested for having a house party, and yet we have protesters with way more people. We also have the Democratic and Republican conventions. It is so confusing for people. The rules are just changing.

Edit: I also believe that I don't have the right to tell people to wear a mask or anything. If people don't want to wear a mask that should be up to them. And if people want to wear a mask, they should have that right without people harassing them.

TikTok stars Bryce Hall, Blake Gray charged over LA house parties

Huge agreement. If people want to wear useless masks, I'm fine with that, but I'm also not phased when I see people walking around without masks. Personally, I do wear what I affectionately refer to as my 'face diaper', but only for the purposes of not having idiots bother me in public when I'm trying to mind my own business.
 
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