So Christian women can't write blogs?
Christian women shouldnt write things that are authorative. Youth groups function as a disclaimer similar to a supplement person can say people report to us good results.
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So Christian women can't write blogs?
Why... don't I feel the need for feminine nouns for women in ministry? For all the reasons we've discussed. It tends to be used to diminish, dismiss and insult. It draws undue attention to gender.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with seeing nouns like "priest" or "minister" or "pastor" as gender-neutral, just like "doctor" or "judge" or - dare we hope? - "president."
Christian women shouldnt write things that are authorative. Youth groups function as a disclaimer similar to a supplement person can say people report to us good results.
Yes, it did exist in antiquity, and we know this.
What wasn't part of it is use of the word clergy which we use now when explaining this matter. People often jump at that whenever our discussion turns this way, but that's not the actual issue.
Well, again it's terms. But we know for a fact the very different responsibilities, functions, and standing of deacons as opposed to those of deaconesses.
The latter were actually more necessary in antiquity than they are today, and as for the (male) deacons, their duties were far more than most churchmen and women today imagine.
In other words, the difference between the two, deacon and deaconess, was much clearer than it is today in churches which have deacons of both sexes and they do basically the same work.
Under today's set-up, it is no wonder that the average person thinks that the only difference IS gender. Not surprisingly, that tends to make people think that not having women deacons is nothing more than prejudice in action.
And then there's this. You and I go round and round on this topic, but why is the Anglican Communion the only Catholic communion of significance that does not see history and Scripture supporting the ordination of women??
The Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox churches, the Oriental Orthodox churches, and the only Old Catholic church body of significance, the Polish National Catholic Church ALL consider that practice to be in error.
How is it that none of these venerable religious bodies with all their scholarship is persuaded by the same few points made by just about every advocate of women's ordination, whether here on CF or in the churches?
Christian women shouldnt write things that are authorative. Youth groups function as a disclaimer similar to a supplement person can say people report to us good results.
Christian women shouldnt write things that are authorative.
While our church does not ordain women, I definitely do not agree with @Sammy-San ’s position. I think most of the traditional /a older / ancient churches who do not ordain women would not agree with that reasoning either.
Would you argue for a ballot of all believers to decide every Christian doctrine, then?
If not, what makes the difference?
Well, there are plenty of other doctrines about which the same thing could be said, you know.No, I wouldn't want to see that. It's a good question, what makes this issue different. I think it's two-fold. Firstly and most importantly, opinion seems to be divided on all levels: clergy, scholars and laity.
So....the church should adjust its beliefs to agree with what the world, secular society, likes at this particular moment? And worse, do it mainly in order to assist with recruiting?Secondly, sexual discrimination is now illegal in many countries and is taken for granted as something that's naturally fair. So people who don't go to church can't understand why it's such an issue in the church and it is, I believe, a big stumbling block for them.
I'm not saying, and don't believe, that the church should always follow secular society but on an issue like this, where church opinion is so divided with no end in sight of an agreement and where the principle at stake, equality, is self-evidently a good one,
There are, lest there is any doubt of it, many denominations that fit the description you just laid before us, so for people who are not particularly concerned about Scripture or Tradition or any of that stuff, there should be no problem.as with slavery and I do equate the two on many levels, I would welcome anything that will make the church fairer and more relevant to most people.
In your opinion.
I assume you refuse to sing hymns, books and poems written by women then? Shouldn't you also stop reading posts on this forum written by women?
There has never been any problem over the centuries with women writing things - Julian of Norwich, Teresa of Avila, Hilda of Whitby (who trained bishops).
Some people think that Priscilla wrote the book of Hebrews.
No women wrote the Bible because women tempted Adam to sin.
What would you do if you discovered that a woman HAD written a book of the Bible?
No women wrote the Bible because women tempted Adam to sin.
Christian women shouldnt write things that are authorative.
No women wrote the Bible because women tempted Adam to sin.
There are, lest there is any doubt of it, many denominations that fit the description you just laid before us, so for people who are not particularly concerned about Scripture or Tradition or any of that stuff, there should be no problem.
Actually, it couldn't be much clearer. We could run through all that evidence once more, but in these debates--as with those that have taken place in church conventions--it never makes any difference.I am concerned about Scripture, but not so much concerned about tradition and not concerned at all if it's spelt with a capital "T". But I'm saying that scripture isn't clear on this issue...
Actually, it couldn't be much clearer. We could run through all that evidence once more, but in these debates--as with those that have taken place in church conventions--it never makes any difference.