Study: Americans with Christian nationalist views more likely to flout COVID-19 precautions:

[eleos1954]

This article is from The Christian Post cites this study. It claims that “Christian nationalist ideology tends to make people really distrustful of scientists and science generally...” and that such people are much more likely than other demographics to ignore the scientific recommendations surrounding COVID-19 precautions.

Why do you think this is?

Are there any self identified Christian Nationalists on this forum who would like to explain or refute this claim?

I am not a "Christian Nationalists" ... I am however Christian.

Christian Nationalist ... It's another label .... being applied in an effort to discredit Christians as a whole. Christians are followers of Christ.

Within christianly .... there are many different viewpoints/beliefs regarding science ... and those view points may or may not be biblically based.

 

[SimplyMe]

What's an "overlap" supposed to mean?

There are all sorts of "overlaps" in politics, but as you may have noticed, if someone here so much as suggests that Antifa is "Marxist," that is denied with a fury since--allegedly--all the obvious "overlap" that exists there isn't supposed to indicate anything.

With this other subject before us now, however, it looks like any similarity at all is supposed to be taken to be proof positive that the two being compared are identical.

I felt compelled to comment on this because of the false equivalence. You've seen pictures in right wing publications (ones that are trying to push political positions and likely even "fear") that show Antifa members with Soviet flags or their symbol (the hammer and sickle). Yet you honestly have no idea how common it is -- other than what your news sources are pushing on you -- or even, as another poster pointed out, they are carrying them to "push buttons" because they know that people like you will react to those symbols -- but don't believe in communism (particularly Soviet style communism). Note: I'm not trying to say they do or don't, just pointing out this is a very anecdotal case you are making.

On the other side, we have a scientific survey done -- one even done by a polling group that does a lot of religious polling and seems to have a bias for religion. This is a professional polling company that does a great job of crafting questions to get accurate results. This is hardly the same as some anecdotal data -- particularly with a partisan and biased source.

Granted, I'd love to see a similar poll done about Antifa. We don't know enough about them -- we largely only know that the Right loves to use them to "fearmonger" -- to project them as a dangerous terrorist organization -- while the Left pushes the narrative that they are a very small and unorganized group that exists mostly to shock, and to stand up against white nationalists. It would be great to have that kind of scientific and accurate data -- even if both sides would then use the data to support their views.

In the meantime, though, this comparison fails.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Christian Nationalist ... It's another label .... being applied in an effort to discredit Christians as a whole. Christians are followers of Christ.

Maybe "Christians" ought to weed out the "Christian Nationalists".

 

[eleos1954]

Maybe "Christians" ought to weed out the "Christian Nationalists".

People have a right to believe what they want .... it's called freedom.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Since when is hate irrational? It is a normal human emotion. It love also irrational?

Emotions are irrational . That's why they call them emotions rather than reason. People hate for no rational reason. they hate because they feel slighted or because they have taken a dislike for someone so strong that they would like tp see that person harmed as much as possible. How one could consider that rational is beyond me. A person can rationally oppose other people based upon solid factual reason or reasons but opposition is not hate. As there are many definitions for Love it ios not as easy to pinpoint how much emotion is involved and how little reason. It can be a completely irrational emotion like infatuation or it can be just a decision to act for the good of others or a propensity towards some thing "I love football." or zero points in tennis. I would say zero points in tennis is the ;east irratonal of those even though I have no reasonable explanation for why they call that love instead of zero or nil or nothing. . Every other of the definions above involves emotion and is therefor to one degree or another irrational. Emotions are based upon one's feelings, not upon reason or facts.

 

[grasping the after wind]

He did put out national standards... it was at the first sign of people protesting against them that he quickly abandoned them and sided with the protesters for his own political gain.

Why do you think so many Dems are siding with protesters? For political gain. If Republican's are likely to act the exact same way as Democrats how does that make a Republican worth hating but Democrats not? Simple, irrational tribalism . If my side does it, it is righteous but if they do it, it is criminal.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Pure insult and assertion. The irony is pretty thick here about who exactly makes broad baseless judgements.

There is no insult involved just reason based upon experience. When a group of politically motivated people consistently act in a specific way, it is likely that they will do so in the future or would have done so in the past had circumstances warranted it. .

 

[durangodawood]

There is no insult involved just reason based upon experience. When a group of politically motivated people consistently act in a specific way, it is likely that they will do so in the future or would have done so in the past had circumstances warranted it. .

Trump opposition generally is just mindless hate. Thats your generalization I'm talking about.

And that itself is pretty mindless - if you stick with it.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Trump opposition generally is just mindless hate. Thats your generalization I'm talking about.

And that itself is pretty mindless - if you stick with it.

I never said any such thing as a matter of fact I said quite the opposite

. A person can rationally oppose other people based upon solid factual reason or reasons but opposition is not hate.

Trump hate, not Trump opposition is what is mindless. If a person opposes Trump because they do not like where he wants the country to go is perfectly rational. It is not based upon feelings but honest disagreement To hate him because one has an emotional stake in his defeat is irrational. How many people that hate Trump have never actually met him or had a conversation with him or been personally harmed by him? I have little regard for Trump's character because of things I am aware of but I wouldn't think of hating him. Same with Biden I do not wish him harm I only wish he was not one of the choices and that there was a choice more closely aligned with my own philosophy of governance than the two I have a chance to choose. For me , Trump is the least objectionable of the two in that regard though he surely is far from ideal.

 

[durangodawood]

I never said any such thing as a matter of fact I said quite the opposite



Trump hate, not Trump opposition is what is mindless.

This is false because you characterized the opposition generally as plain haters.

Me: I highly doubt the Trump opposition would be flying in the face of all serious science and public health advice just "because Trump".

You, post #30 responding: I have no doubt they would. Trump hate, like all hate, is irrational.

 

[durangodawood]

oops

 

[iluvatar5150]

People have a right to believe what they want .... it's called freedom.

That's nice. I'm not sure what it has to do with what I said, but it's nice.

 

[eleos1954]

That's nice. I'm not sure what it has to do with what I said, but it's nice.

iluvatar5150 said: ↑
Maybe "Christians" ought to weed out the "Christian Nationalists".

We don't "weed out" people just because they have different beliefs.

 

[grasping the after wind]

This is false because you characterized the opposition generally as plain haters.

Me: I highly doubt the Trump opposition would be flying in the face of all serious science and public health advice just "because Trump".

You, responding: I have no doubt they would. Trump hate, like all hate, is irrational.

My wording was unfortunate. Perhaps I should have qualified it like this. "I have no doubt a large enough portion of them would...." I did not mean to use such a broad brush as I don't consider everyone that takes any particular political position to be the same or be motivated by the same things. I only think a portion of those opposing Trump ,albeit a somewhat large enough portion to do what I said, are motivated more by hate of the man than anything else and would cut off their own nose if they thought it would spite Trump.

 

[Caliban]

Christian Nationalist ... It's another label .... being applied in an effort to discredit Christians as a whole.

No, no, no. Many Christians self-identify as Christian Nationalists. This is not a pejorative label, but one people adopt for themselves.

 

[iluvatar5150]

iluvatar5150 said: ↑
Maybe "Christians" ought to weed out the "Christian Nationalists".

We don't "weed out" people just because they have different beliefs.

Really? If somebody walked into a Christian church and denied the divinity of Christ, that church wouldn't weed him out?

 

[durangodawood]

My wording was unfortunate. Perhaps I should have qualified it like this. "I have no doubt a large enough portion of them would...." I did not mean to use such a broad brush as I don't consider everyone that takes any particular political position to be the same or be motivated by the same things. I only think a portion of those opposing Trump ,albeit a somewhat large enough portion to do what I said, are motivated more by hate of the man than anything else and would cut off their own nose if they thought it would spite Trump.

Ah ok. No problem. I would say that many of those haters are just people who after a fews years of his disgusting and divisive behavior have had enough, and yeah, it has become emotional. I think somethings wrong with you if you havent got a little upset by this point.

There's no reason for that to obscure rational analysis tho. Gotta keep your head. I mean, look at me. I do!

 

[Caliban]

Emotions are irrational . That's why they call them emotions rather than reason

Sorry, I didn't even read the rest of you post when I read your claim that emotions are irrational. That is just absurd. Hating Hitler was not irrational. Hating Jeffery Dahmer is not irrational. Emotions are not irrational. Holy crap--what's wrong with people?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I highly doubt the Trump opposition would be flying in the face of all serious science and public health advice just "because Trump".

I think your confidence the general public is much more optimistic than mine lol.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why do you think so many Dems are siding with protesters? For political gain. If Republican's are likely to act the exact same way as Democrats how does that make a Republican worth hating but Democrats not? Simple, irrational tribalism . If my side does it, it is righteous but if they do it, it is criminal.

The irrational tribalism is entirely your own. You chose to make this about Democrats vs Republicans as a distraction.

I am referring to our current president abandoning his own guidelines in order to score cheap political points. You do remember the president, right? The "man," not the political party.. Your approval of his -- not the Republicans, not the Democrats -- but the president's flip-flop speaks volumes... and none of it is flattering.