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Jesus is YHWH

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The only ones delivered on the other side of the grave with be those who were delivered from their sins on this side of the grave by faith and repentance. No faith and repentance on this side of the grave in this life = a life apart from God in the next life with eternal punishment/torment.

Its appointed once for man to die and then comes Judgment. No 2nd chances.

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Luck is not the foundation, nor is chance!

Adam1 = "many made sinners."

Last Adam = "many made righteous".

All = pas

Some = tis

Many = polus
and many does not equal everyone.

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The blame for eternal separation from God lies with man and his sin.

Nope!

There is no aidios separation in Scripture.

Mans sin indeed separates the Creator from the created...

BUT

"Where sin reigned unto death, the righteousness of God reigns unto life.
 
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Quote your verse..........................

My friend, a guy who can reel in such magnificent fish can surely find the verse.

God is holy.

“Holy is the Lord of hosts.” Isa. 6:3.

A holy God could not build a prison, dedicate it to every vile and hateful passion, and then crowd it with beings of his own workmanship.

A god of depravity where sinners suffer for ever and ever might do so.

Not the Father of all fathers!

God is merciful.

“But You, O Lord, are a God full of compassion and gracious, long suffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.” Ps. 86:15.

It is simply impossible for Abba to torment His own offspring or any being.

God is just.

“A just God and a Savior.” Isa. 45:21.

It would be unjust to inflict unending punishment for the sins of a few days.

The Fathers punishment is not an end in itself, it leads to change & tranformation & the peaceable fruits of righteousness.

God is strictly just, He will not deal thus with any of his creatures.

Justice requires that the transgressor shall be punished righteously, but not unmercifully.

God is Savior, He will save as well as punish.
 
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“For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus:

that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.

Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh.

Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,

that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.”
‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭5:14-19‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

I read this today.
 
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We are products of one mans sin. That sin of disobedience landed us into this gigantic mess known as total depravity, not by our choice, but "by reason of Him who made it so".

Our Father takes full responsibility for the mess and the purpose for the mess.

Resurrection of the good, the bad & the ugly is His and His alone!

"The whole of created life shall be delivered.."
Not total depravity, I think.

Gen 3:22 NASB 22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--

Rom 2:14-16 NASB 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
How can man be totally depraved if he has the knowledge of good, and God has written His law on even the hearts of the unbelievers?

Deu 30:1, 6, 11-15, 19 NASB 1 "So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call [them] to mind in all nations where the LORD your God has banished you, ... 6 "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. ... 11 "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. 12 "It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' 13 "Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' 14 "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it. 15 "See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity; ... 19 "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,
Clearly, life & death, blessing and cursing is a choice that God sets before man. This choice is not made by God in heaven, and it says it is not too difficult for man to make the choice. The context here is circumcision of the heart. Circumcision is the old Testament's foreshadow for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Rom 8:15-17 NASB 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with [Him] so that we may also be glorified with [Him.]
This passage in Romans 8 agrees with Deuteronomy 30:19. Deu 30 says He calls Heaven (The Spirit) and earth (our spirit) to bear witness (to testify) of the synergistic choice between man & God. Lest anyone dismiss Deuteronomy 30 as purely The Law, Paul sets the record straight that Deuteronomy 30 is talking about the righteousness that comes by faith:

Rom 10:5-11 NASB 5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)." 8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."​

Paul goes so far as to say that you should not even say in your heart that the choice for salvation is made by God in Heaven. Paul says all we need to choose is already in our hearts... he agrees with Deuteronomy that it is not too difficult for us to make the choice to believe.

Further, that Deuteronomy 30 talks about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in that it says "circumcision of the heart."

Rom 2:28-29 NASB 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.​

Does that indwelling of the spirit come BEFORE faith or after faith? The scripture is explicit that it comes AFTER faith.

Eph 1:13-14 NASB 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of [God's own] possession, to the praise of His glory.​


I perceive now that your dedication to ultimate reconciliation comes from your absolute faith in Calvinistic doctrine. This post's deconstruction of Calvinist belief is off topic here, but I felt necessary to help you to let go of your universalist doctrine.
 
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The synergism between the phrase "everlasting life" and "everlasting contempt" shows that you cannot modify one without the other. If you change the meaning of "everlasting" in regards to contempt, you also have to change it in regards to life.
That was one of the first really big hurdles I had to get over on UR.
If the punishment isn't eternal, then neither is the life.
Fortunately one age follows another. So no biggie after all.

Matthew 25:46 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
 
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So everyone says it means what they think it means?
It's open to different definitions depending on your POV.
As I said, there are three biblical views of the final judgment.
 
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Saint Steven said:
That was one of the first really big hurdles I had to get over on UR.
If the punishment isn't eternal, then neither is the life.
Fortunately one age follows another. So no biggie after all.
Matthew 25:46 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
When scripture does not support what you want to believe just find a version which does. Let's not concern ourselves with the fact that Robert Young who made the YLT was self taught.
…..Greek is now, and has always been, the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church. Who, better than the native Greek speaking scholars who translated the “literal” Greek Eastern Orthodox Bible [EOB], know the correct meaning of Greek words, e.g. “Gehenna,””aiōnios,”“kolasis?” etc.
…..EOB, footnote pg. 180

“Hades is the realm of the dead. The upper part of hades was considered to be luminous and it was called “paradise” or"Abraham's bosom.” Hades is not to be confused with hell (Gehenna) which is the final place of state or place of the damned (“the lake of’ fire”).”
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The Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96
Matthew 25:46 Then he will answer them saying ‘Amen. I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' “These [[ones on the left]] will go away into eternal punishment.[κολασιν αιονιον/kolasin aiōnion] but the righteous into eternal life.
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KJV Romans 16:26 [EOB 14:25]
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [αιωνιου/aiōniou] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Paul, the same writer, in the same writing book of Romans, uses αιωνιου/aiōniou, in Rom 16:26, synonymous with αιδιος/aidios in Rom 1:20, below. Showing conclusively that “aionios” means “eternal/everlasting.” Scholars unanimously agree that “aidios” means “eternal/everlasting.”
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world, his invisible things are clearly seen. They perceived through created things, even his everlasting [τε αιδιος/te aidios] power and divinity.
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https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/books/or...tament-(The-Eastern-Greek-Orthodox-Bible).pdf
The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96 can be viewed or D/L at the link above. Whoever has doubts/questions about the EOB version please read the 200 page preface which documents the extensive Greek scholarship supporting this translation.


 
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Dear Gup:

The fact is radical corruption has resulted from the original sin that is ours as a result of one mans disobedience. Every person, (including innocent babies), are born with a disposition to sin. That disposition to sin is enslavement, and requires Divine intervention completely outside of ourselves!

That intervention is known as prevenient grace making it utterly unable to choose steps to follow the Lord God, or follow in His awesome footsteps.

Welcome to the God of Intervention.

Note:

Your perception is wrong. I believe the Will of all wills prevails.

I am NOT a Calvinist: NOT ! ! !
 
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No, what you would do is completely relevant.
What Damnationists claim about God makes him out to be a sadistic tyrant like this world has never seen. To claim that it is just that someone would pay with more than a lifetime sentence is unthinkable and nothing close to justice. (doesn't fit the crime)

To claim that God is more cruel than any human in history is a complete misunderstanding of fatherhood. Human fathers are modeled after our heavenly father.

Matthew 7:11
If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!

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If your children hated you, would you preheat the oven to 400 degrees, lock them inside and then burn the house down?

That is what you are accusing God of doing, only worse.

Your supporting my position perfectly with this reply. If God we’re to decide that some will burn forever you think it would be a terribly unjust thing for Him to do. I don’t think it would be unjust at all because I trust that He has a perfectly good reason for doing it and I trust that He knows what best, not me. God certainly doesn’t owe me any explanation because I know that He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to die on the cross for our sins so that we could be saved. Furthermore I know God desires all men to repent and be saved and that none should perish, so I’m betting that He will make every effort to bring as many to salvation as He can. What I just can’t do no matter what is ignore scripture just because they say that God will do something that I THINK is unjust because I know that what I THINK is nowhere nearly as informed as God. He sees the full picture, I don’t. Therefore I couldn’t possibly make a more educated decision than God about anything ever.
 
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Your supporting my position perfectly with this reply. If God we’re to decide that some will burn forever you think it would be a terribly unjust thing for Him to do. I don’t think it would be unjust at all because I trust that He has a perfectly good reason for doing it and I trust that He knows what best, not me. God certainly doesn’t owe me any explanation because I know that He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to die on the cross for our sins so that we could be saved. Furthermore I know God desires all men to repent and be saved and that none should perish, so I’m betting that He will make every effort to bring as many to salvation as He can. What I just can’t do no matter what is ignore scripture just because they say that God will do something that I THINK is unjust because I know that what I THINK is nowhere nearly as informed as God. He sees the full picture, I don’t. Therefore I couldn’t possibly make a more educated decision than God about anything ever.
I am convinced that scripture specifically precludes salvation after death.
John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalms 88:10-11
10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
JPS Proverbs 24:20
(20) For there will be no future to the evil man, the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.
Ephesians 2:12
(12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
1 Thessalonians 4:13
(13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Psalms 115:17
17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Ecclesiastes 9:10
10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
 
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If God we’re to decide that some will burn forever you think it would be a terribly unjust thing for Him to do. I don’t think it would be unjust at all because I trust that He has a perfectly good reason for doing it

You poor dear boy: run, do not walk away from this ghastly god you have made!

God is holy.

“Holy is the Lord of hosts.” Isa. 6:3.

A holy God could not build a prison, dedicate it to every vile and hateful passion, and then crowd it with beings of his own workmanship.

A god of depravity where sinners suffer for ever and ever might do so.

Not the Father of all fathers!

God is merciful.

“But You, O Lord, are a God full of compassion and gracious, long suffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.” Ps. 86:15.

It is simply impossible for Abba to torment His own offspring or any being.

God is just.

“A just God and a Savior.” Isa. 45:21.

It would be unjust to inflict unending punishment for the sins of a few days.

The Fathers punishment is not an end in itself, it leads to change & tranformation & the peaceable fruits of righteousness.

God is strictly just, He will not deal thus with any of his creatures.

Justice requires that the transgressor shall be punished righteously, but not unmercifully.

God is Savior, He will save as well as punish.
 
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The only ones delivered on the other side of the grave with be those who were delivered from their sins on this side of the grave by faith and repentance. No faith and repentance on this side of the grave in this life = a life apart from God in the next life with eternal punishment/torment.

Its appointed once for man to die and then comes Judgment. No 2nd chances.

hope this helps !!!


So you have been on the other side and seen into the workings of the eternal kingdom, the Judgment Seat, and know for absolutely sure because you have seen this personally?

Your view of the Judgment Seat is the typical Western courtroom view. It is of a judge ready to condemn. But what if that is wrong? You know, doctors have to sit in judgment as well. What if the Judgment Seat isn't your Roman Catholic Courtroom, but rather Dr. Jesus sitting down to evaluate the patient and prescribe the right treatment so that the soul is forever cured?
 
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and many does not equal everyone.

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Do you realize what you are saying? Adam's sin didn't make everyone a sinner, only a certain many? Are you sure you want to insist that Adam's sin didn't affect everyone?
 
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Your supporting my position perfectly with this reply. If God we’re to decide that some will burn forever you think it would be a terribly unjust thing for Him to do. I don’t think it would be unjust at all because I trust that He has a perfectly good reason for doing it and I trust that He knows what best, not me. God certainly doesn’t owe me any explanation because I know that He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to die on the cross for our sins so that we could be saved. Furthermore I know God desires all men to repent and be saved and that none should perish, so I’m betting that He will make every effort to bring as many to salvation as He can. What I just can’t do no matter what is ignore scripture just because they say that God will do something that I THINK is unjust because I know that what I THINK is nowhere nearly as informed as God. He sees the full picture, I don’t. Therefore I couldn’t possibly make a more educated decision than God about anything ever.
Common sense says that the Damnationist claims about God are wrong.
But Damnationists have been brainwashed to believe them.

Even you see nothing wrong with a father locking his children in an oven and burning the house down, if that father was God. Why would that make it okay?
 
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