What period of time are we presently living in?

[5thKingdom]

So lets substitute Satan as that beast.

Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon [who is Satan] which gave power
unto the beast: [which is NOT Satan] and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


There's no way SCRIPTURE allows Satan to BE THE BEAST...
This is shown in other Scriptures also:


Rev_16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of
the dragon, [Satan] and out of the mouth of the beast, [not Satan] and out of the mouth of the false prophet [not Satan].


Rev_20:10
And the devil [Satan]that deceived them was cast into the
lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast [not Satan] and
the false prophet [not Satan] are, and shall be tormented
day and night for ever and ever.


You cannot (continue to) teach that Satan = the Beast
when the BIBLE shows otherwise... that only proves you
are teaching a private interpretation that IGNORES other
RELATED SCRIPTURE.

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[5thKingdom]

David, back to your position. You must be thinking the Antichrist will be a reincarnation of some ancient person? For a second go-around at life ?

That is an invalid argument.
Seeing that the "Little Horn" of Daniel represents the SAME MAN
as the "False Prophet" of Revelation is NOT saying that he is the
reincarnation of some ancient person... instead, it is simply saying
that Daniel's Fourth Beast = the Revelation Beast. Which has been
the understanding of many Saints for almost 2000 yrs.

You have presented a STRAWMAN argument again.
Nothing more.

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[Zao is life]

No contradiction. I simply neglected to bring it up the first time. I simply have a pet peeve regarding trying to make a profit on the word of God via books. If the insight in those books are beneficial to others, then that insight should be freely available and that one shouldn't have to purchase anything in order to benefit from the proposed insight. That's one thing.

But even if the books were free, how would me reading them possibly change my mind about things, thus change my position altogether? Thus what I brought up, that would be like me proposing some books for you to read which supports my pov, you then reading the books, then changing your position altogether. That's not going to happen in your case. So why should it be assumed, that the books you are proposing, that they are so convincing, that only someone out of their mind could read them but not be convinced by anything in them? And why should someone have to pay to read something that's not going to change their mind to begin with, assuming everyone might not have a pet peeve like I do about authors of books trying to make a profit on insight they are willing to share with others, assuming others are willing to pay them for this insight?

That tends to make me think of something like the following, since the concept seems to be somewhat similar.

Acts 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

And when the person noticed via reviews of certain books by others who have purchased these books themselves, this person then offered these authors of these books money as well, to learn what is in these books.

This is exactly the way I've felt for a very long time. I can understand paying to cover the cost of printing if it's a Bible - but the cost of the printing only. But that's the Bible. The content of the Bible is freely given us by God. The content of any book relating to God, if it is true, should be freely available.

Matt 10:8-10 "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat."

These were traveling evangelists who had no income because their entire business was traveling and sharing the gospel. It was only right for those who were receiving the gospel through their word to give them a place to stay and something to eat while they were with them, and some food or supplies for the journey when they left. But those who write Christian books are very often doing noting but expressing their own opinions about what has been freely given to all of us - and often their opinions are off. These days it's the easiest thing in the world to turn such books into e-books and make them available for downloading for free.

 

[Josheb]

No contradiction. I simply neglected to bring it up the first time.

Fail. The contradiction exists between the two posts. It is because of the second post the contradiction occurs.

But even if the books were free, how would me reading them possibly change my mind about things, thus change my position altogether?

Scripture and reason are our friends. A reasonable and rational case of well-rendered scripture is supposed to be what we base our beliefs and thoughts upon. So i the case presente din a book, whether free or not, makes an impeccable case for its position then it should be accepted over competing cases less scriptural and less rational.

That's how.

You are not open-minded.

Thus what I brought up, that would be like me proposing some books for you to read which supports my pov, you then reading the books, then changing your position altogether. That's not going to happen in your case.

lol! You're incorrect. In fact, I will go on record right now, this very second, and say I'll read a book if you read a book. You read Riddlebarger's book and I'll read something you recommend. I'll read it cover to cover and post my review of the book's content and the veracity of its case here in the forum, focusing particularly and the exegetical skill evident in the book. You do the same.

You up for that? (remember: you're showing you are open-minded)

 

[5thKingdom]

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


There are clearly 3 periods of time in view.

1) was

2) is not

3) shall ascend out of the bottomless pit


Currently which period of time are we living in? Anyone that might choose 3) needs to provide evidence of some kind as to when this time initially began, and not just claim it is so without bothering to prove how it is. Anyone can do that. That's called having an opinion, and not actually proving something instead. As to 2), that was apparently the period of time they were living in when John received the visions. This tells us that martyrs, such as Stephen, were living during the time of 2), therefore one cannot also apply the time of 3) to him as well. That means, even though he was martyred, it had zero to do with being martyred for not worshiping the beast, nor it's image, etc. Those things are not even possible until we enter this time first, that being 3).

This also brings up another important point.....I saw the souls of them...which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Rev 20:4)..that this particular form of martyrdom is not even possible until we enter the period of 3). But don't some, or maybe even all Amils for all I know, claim there are already martyrs currently reigning in heaven with Christ who have already been martyred during the period of 3)? And does not the period pertaining to 3) involve the 42 month reign of the beast? Would the 42 month reign of the beast be paralleling the thousand years? Of course not.

The 42 month reign of the beast occurs when satan is not in the pit, and that Revelation 20:4 clearly indicates the 42 month reign of the beast has already come and gone before satan is even released from the pit after the thousand years. So why are none of these things significant, according to Amils? How can Amil be the correct position when the 42 month reign of the beast can't and doesn't fit after the thousand years, but fits prior to them instead? And if Amils place the beginning of the thousand years around the time of the cross, that pushes the time for the 42 month reign back even further, before the time of the cross, though that period of time clearly fits in the end of this age instead.

We are currently living in the period the Bible calls the "time-of-the-end"
[Dan 12:8-10] or the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12] or the period
when the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]

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[keras]

We are currently living in the period the Bible calls the "time-of-the-end"
[Dan 12:8-10] or the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12] or the period
when the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]
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When did the cosmic and earth moving things of the Sixth Seal happen?
As well as the events of the six Trumpets.

The Sixth seal Lords Day of wrath will make a great sound, that will be heard around the world.
Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, the great noise reaches the ends of the earth, for He judges the nations and has handed over the wicked for destruction.

Isaiah 29:6 Judgement will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes, loud noise and consuming flames of fire.

Jeremiah 51:54-55 The Lord is ready to destroy the godless nations, the advancing wave booms and roars as it despoils them.

 

[5thKingdom]

When did the cosmic and earth moving things of the Sixth Seal happen?
As well as the events of the six Trumpets.

The Sixth seal Lords Day of wrath will make a great sound, that will be heard around the world.
Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, the great noise reaches the ends of the earth, for He judges the nations and has handed over the wicked for destruction.

Isaiah 29:6 Judgement will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes, loud noise and consuming flames of fire.

Jeremiah 51:54-55 The Lord is ready to destroy the godless nations, the advancing wave booms and roars as it despoils them.

The first four trumpet happened during the Great Commission
as the Church age ended the "third part" represent the diminished
influence of the Saints in the churches... bet you thought it was all literal.

The Fifth Trumpet or 1st Woe began the Great Tribulation which is when
the "ten virgins" went forth into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1-13]

So you have to understand the CONTEXT of the Great Tribulation before
you can understand the answers to your questions...

So what was the CONTEXT of the "ten virgins" of Mat 25
or the ten "kings/horns" of Dan 7 AND Rev 17
and the ten "kings" of Dan 2:44

If you can discern the CONTEXT of those events then you can
"see" the fulfillment of the Sixth Seal

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things,
know that it is near, even at the doors.

(1) If you do not even understand the 1000 years = the church age
(2) If you do not even understand the 1260 days = the Great Commission
(3) If you do not even understand the Great Tribulation was EXCLUSIVE
to the "ten virgins" and/or ten "kings/horns"... then how can you expect
to "see" the fulfillment of the "signs" you referenced?

Are you able to understand Daniel's mysteries what remained "sealed"
until the Last Saints "shall understand"? If not then how can you expect
to "see" the events associated with those prophecies?

When Jesus said we "shall see ALL THESE THINGS"... did He mean
the unsaved would see them? Did He mean those REJECTING Him
would "see"... no, He meant the Last Saints "shall see" [Mat 24:15,33]


Mat 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Did you "see" these things happen?

Then you would have seen the Sixth Seal happen also.


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[5thKingdom]

When did the cosmic and earth moving things of the Sixth Seal happen?
As well as the events of the six Trumpets.

The Sixth seal Lords Day of wrath will make a great sound, that will be heard around the world.
Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, the great noise reaches the ends of the earth, for He judges the nations and has handed over the wicked for destruction.

Isaiah 29:6 Judgement will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes, loud noise and consuming flames of fire.

Jeremiah 51:54-55 The Lord is ready to destroy the godless nations, the advancing wave booms and roars as it despoils them.

What is the CONTEXT of those verses?
Is it the world? Then how could Christ come as a "thief in the night for them?
Was the context those who REJECT Christ? Then how could the verse below occur.
You have to discern the CONTEXT of a passage before you can hope to know the meaning.

If the signs you note above were visible to those who REJECT Christ
or even the Apostate Churches... then how do you harmonize these verses?


Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war
with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Mat 24:37-40
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying
and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not
until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming
of the Son of man be.


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[DavidPT]

The following is something I submitted to an Amil in another thread but that he didn't care to address any of this. He chalked up the entire post as follows "That is all mere opinion, but has no basis in Scripture", though I did also ask him some questions(questions for others aren't opinions lol), but he didn't bother answering any of those either. So what I'm thinking, that post maybe fits this thread better. Maybe there are some open minded Amils (is there even such a thing?) reading this thread who would care to address some or all of the following?
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A cpl of things to note. In Revelation 9 something is seen coming out of the pit, except it's not satan, it's locusts. According to Revelation 17, the beast that was, and is not, shall ascend out of the pit and go into perdition, and this is not satan either. This is the same beast, along with the false prophet, who both get cast alive into the LOF at the 2nd coming, and neither of these are satan. Therefore, there is not one single verse in Revelation before chapter 20, showing satan being released from the pit.

As to this 42 months in particular, it involves worshiping the beast's image, which is not even possible that there can even be an image to worship until Revelation 13:14-15 is fulfilled first.

As to the beast that was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the pit, do you propose that the 42 month reign is taking place during the time when it is not, IOW, when it's in the pit?

and I saw the souls of them----and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Revelation 20:4)---these have already been martyred before satan is even loosed, and they have been martyred by way of the beast that was, and is not, and will ascend out of the pit. Everyone should know this.

When do you propose they are martyred? A) When the beast was(before it's in the pit)? B)When the beast is not(when it's in the pit)? C) Or when the beast ascends from the pit(no longer in the pit)?

And since C) can't parallel the thousand years nor be after the thousand years, that means it fits before the thousand years, this being when the beast ascends out of the pit. The beast is not satan, therefore the beast can certainly ascend out of the pit before the thousand years, and satan can ascend out of the pit after the thousand years, without it contradicting anything.

BTW, this only works with Premil not Amil. Amil can't even work unless C) is meaning after the thousand years, and that the beast that was, and is not, is meaning satan.

Revelation 20:10 already proves the beast is not meaning satan---And the devil(not the beast nor false prophet, thus 1 entity) that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast(not the devil nor false prophet, thus another entity) and the false prophet(not the devil nor the beast, thus a third entity) are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Timtofly]

The first four trumpet happened during the Great Commission
as the Church age ended the "third part" represent the diminished
influence of the Saints in the churches... bet you thought it was all literal.

If it was not literal, then it never happened.

Can you handle just being a symbol the rest of your existence? Perhaps we are all just symbolic right now.

 

[5thKingdom]

The following is something I submitted to an Amil in another thread but that he didn't care to address any of this. He chalked up the entire post as follows "That is all mere opinion, but has no basis in Scripture", though I did also ask him some questions(questions for others aren't opinions lol), but he didn't bother answering any of those either. So what I'm thinking, that post maybe fits this thread better. Maybe there are some open minded Amils (is there even such a thing?) reading this thread who would care to address some or all of the following?
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David, you said:
A cpl of things to note. In Revelation 9 something is seen coming out of the pit, except it's not satan, it's locusts.

Did you not get my previous comments on this mistake?
The Bible NEVER says the Locusts come out of the Pit.
Here is the passage:

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason
of the smoke of the pit.

So... out of the pit comes SMOKE which DARKENS the sun
The sun representing the light-givers which are the Saints in the church

Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth:
and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Notice the Locusts do NOT come out of the Pit... you have ADDED THAT.
The Locusts come out of the SMOKE.

This is an important difference.

Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

The following is something I submitted to an Amil in another thread but that he didn't care to address any of this. He chalked up the entire post as follows "That is all mere opinion, but has no basis in Scripture", though I did also ask him some questions(questions for others aren't opinions lol), but he didn't bother answering any of those either. So what I'm thinking, that post maybe fits this thread better. Maybe there are some open minded Amils (is there even such a thing?) reading this thread who would care to address some or all of the following?
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You said
Therefore, there is not one single verse in Revelation before chapter 20, showing satan being released from the pit.

Who kills the two witnesses in REV 11?
The Witnesses = saints in the church
Their testimony is finishe = end of great Commission
They are killed by Satan who was loosened from the Pit

Do you want truth or not?

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[5thKingdom]

The following is something I submitted to an Amil in another thread but that he didn't care to address any of this. He chalked up the entire post as follows "That is all mere opinion, but has no basis in Scripture", though I did also ask him some questions(questions for others aren't opinions lol), but he didn't bother answering any of those either. So what I'm thinking, that post maybe fits this thread better. Maybe there are some open minded Amils (is there even such a thing?) reading this thread who would care to address some or all of the following?
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Locust have a king over then... who is that King (Satan)

The following is something I submitted to an Amil in another thread but that he didn't care to address any of this. He chalked up the entire post as follows "That is all mere opinion, but has no basis in Scripture", though I did also ask him some questions(questions for others aren't opinions lol), but he didn't bother answering any of those either. So what I'm thinking, that post maybe fits this thread better. Maybe there are some open minded Amils (is there even such a thing?) reading this thread who would care to address some or all of the following?
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No, you are correct... the Beast is not Satan.
The Beast is the KINGDOM of Satan.
It includes the Leader of the Kingdom (the false prophet)
It includes the Followers of the False Prophet.

Here is where it gets tricky....
Sometimes the Bible calls the False Prophet by the name "Beast" (since he's the leader)
Other times the Bible calls the Followers by the name "Beast"
You have to tell the difference by the context.

I can actually show you passages where BOTH are mentioned.

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[5thKingdom]

The following is something I submitted to an Amil in another thread but that he didn't care to address any of this. He chalked up the entire post as follows "That is all mere opinion, but has no basis in Scripture", though I did also ask him some questions(questions for others aren't opinions lol), but he didn't bother answering any of those either. So what I'm thinking, that post maybe fits this thread better. Maybe there are some open minded Amils (is there even such a thing?) reading this thread who would care to address some or all of the following?
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I read your entire narrative... man are you confused.

Just tell me one thing... what does the SMOKE represent

(1) it's not the Locusts because they come OUT of the smoke
(2) it's not physical smoke - there were no physical chains or key or Pit

The pit is a condition of restraint... not a physical hole in the ground

So WHAT is the smoke?
I know... but you don't want to listen to me.
So tell me, WHAT does the smoke represent?


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[5thKingdom]

If it was not literal, then it never happened.

Can you handle just being a symbol the rest of your existence? Perhaps we are all just symbolic right now.

So you think Jesus was a literal animal (lamb)?
And you think Jesus was a literal DOOR... was it a french door?
Pleeeese

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[keras]

Did you "see" these things happen?

Then you would have seen the Sixth Seal happen also.

No, because none of them have happened yet.
If your interpretation of Bible prophecy is to spiritualize it, then we have nothing in common, and I won't be wasting my time replying to you again.

So you think Jesus was a literal animal (lamb)?
And you think Jesus was a literal DOOR... was it a french door?
Pleeeese

There are metaphors. Mostly so simple a child can figure them out.
Your less than childish comments are unwanted and irrelevant.

So is your spamming and trolling in this forum.

 

[Nova2216]

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


There are clearly 3 periods of time in view.

1) was

2) is not

3) shall ascend out of the bottomless pit


Currently which period of time are we living in? Anyone that might choose 3) needs to provide evidence of some kind as to when this time initially began, and not just claim it is so without bothering to prove how it is. Anyone can do that. That's called having an opinion, and not actually proving something instead. As to 2), that was apparently the period of time they were living in when John received the visions. This tells us that martyrs, such as Stephen, were living during the time of 2), therefore one cannot also apply the time of 3) to him as well. That means, even though he was martyred, it had zero to do with being martyred for not worshiping the beast, nor it's image, etc. Those things are not even possible until we enter this time first, that being 3).

This also brings up another important point.....I saw the souls of them...which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Rev 20:4)..that this particular form of martyrdom is not even possible until we enter the period of 3). But don't some, or maybe even all Amils for all I know, claim there are already martyrs currently reigning in heaven with Christ who have already been martyred during the period of 3)? And does not the period pertaining to 3) involve the 42 month reign of the beast? Would the 42 month reign of the beast be paralleling the thousand years? Of course not.

The 42 month reign of the beast occurs when satan is not in the pit, and that Revelation 20:4 clearly indicates the 42 month reign of the beast has already come and gone before satan is even released from the pit after the thousand years. So why are none of these things significant, according to Amils? How can Amil be the correct position when the 42 month reign of the beast can't and doesn't fit after the thousand years, but fits prior to them instead? And if Amils place the beginning of the thousand years around the time of the cross, that pushes the time for the 42 month reign back even further, before the time of the cross, though that period of time clearly fits in the end of this age instead.

The book of Revelation from chapter 3 onward is figurative language (apocalyptic language) (not literal)(Rev.1:1-3).

What ever happens in this book is to shortly come to pass according to John in (Chapter 1), not some 2000 years later.

John said he was in the kingdom and going through the tribulation during the first century. (Rev.1:9). Notice also (Col.1:13)

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for but we have been in the last days since (Acts 2).

Notice (Joel 2:28) (Acts 2:1-4,38,47) and (Acts 2:16,17).


Thanks

 

[5thKingdom]

No, because none of them have happened yet.
If your interpretation of Bible prophecy is to spiritualize it, then we have nothing in common, and I won't be wasting my time replying to you again.

There are metaphors. Mostly so simple a child can figure them out.
Your less than childish comments are unwanted and irrelevant.

So is your spamming and trolling in this forum.

Sounds like flaming to me.

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[Marilyn C]

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


There are clearly 3 periods of time in view.

1) was

2) is not

3) shall ascend out of the bottomless pit


Currently which period of time are we living in? Anyone that might choose 3) needs to provide evidence of some kind as to when this time initially began, and not just claim it is so without bothering to prove how it is. Anyone can do that. That's called having an opinion, and not actually proving something instead. As to 2), that was apparently the period of time they were living in when John received the visions. This tells us that martyrs, such as Stephen, were living during the time of 2), therefore one cannot also apply the time of 3) to him as well. That means, even though he was martyred, it had zero to do with being martyred for not worshiping the beast, nor it's image, etc. Those things are not even possible until we enter this time first, that being 3).

This also brings up another important point.....I saw the souls of them...which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Rev 20:4)..that this particular form of martyrdom is not even possible until we enter the period of 3). But don't some, or maybe even all Amils for all I know, claim there are already martyrs currently reigning in heaven with Christ who have already been martyred during the period of 3)? And does not the period pertaining to 3) involve the 42 month reign of the beast? Would the 42 month reign of the beast be paralleling the thousand years? Of course not.

The 42 month reign of the beast occurs when satan is not in the pit, and that Revelation 20:4 clearly indicates the 42 month reign of the beast has already come and gone before satan is even released from the pit after the thousand years. So why are none of these things significant, according to Amils? How can Amil be the correct position when the 42 month reign of the beast can't and doesn't fit after the thousand years, but fits prior to them instead? And if Amils place the beginning of the thousand years around the time of the cross, that pushes the time for the 42 month reign back even further, before the time of the cross, though that period of time clearly fits in the end of this age instead.

My thoughts are that the `beast` is the Global Government which the false religion `rides.` It is ruled by the A/C who will be taken over by Satan.

Thus `was` Satan`s Global Government & the 7th ruler. (A/C) (Rev. 13:1 `beast out of the sea, of people`)
`is not,` the A/C seemingly dies, (Rev. 13: 3 `as if mortally wounded)
`shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.` A/C taken over by Satan the 8th ruler. (Rev. 17: 11)

We are in the period of the `was.` The GG is forming.

 

[5thKingdom]

My thoughts are that the `beast` is the Global Government which the false religion `rides.` It is ruled by the A/C who will be taken over by Satan.

Thus `was` Satan`s Global Government & the 7th ruler. (A/C) (Rev. 13:1 `beast out of the sea, of people`)
`is not,` the A/C seemingly dies, (Rev. 13: 3 `as if mortally wounded)
`shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.` A/C taken over by Satan the 8th ruler. (Rev. 17: 11)

We are in the period of the `was.` The GG is forming.

Since the Revelation Beast = the Great Tribulation = Daniel's
Fourth Beast/Kingdom then none can be physical/political
"Kingdoms" since Daniel 7:11-12 has the Kingdom destroyed
and "given to the Burning Flame"... which is the SAME EVENT
as the Revelation Beast "cast into the Lake of Fire" [Rev 19:20]
while the PREVIOUS Kingdoms continue on earth for a period
called the "Season and Time". What gospel teaches people
are in the Lake of Fire while kingdoms continue on earth?

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