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I do however hold strong to my faith and believe it is wrong.
That’s ok, though I think you’re wrong. You have every right to this belief, and to have your church teach it. But wanting gays to be fired goes beyond that. I think wanting bad things to happen to a class of people reasonably qualifies as hate.
 
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If Christian teachings say Homosexuality is a sin, history tells us a homosexual teacher is eventually probably going to refuse to teach homosexuality is a sin. However a teacher who is doing another type of sin like adultery, or fornication, will usually keep that behavior to himself and hypocritical teach it as a sin. Christian schools would rather have a hypocrite who remains true to bible scripture than an honest sinner who goes against bible scripture.
This is like Minority Report where you are punishing people for a crime they have not yet committed.
Are you saying that during science class the teacher needs to list all the sins that humans can make?
Like stealing or wearing clothes made of more than one cloth. Because this is relevant to science???
 
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This is like Minority Report where you are punishing people for a crime they have not yet committed.
Are you saying that during science class the teacher needs to list all the sins that humans can make?
Like stealing or wearing clothes made of more than one cloth. Because this is relevant to science???
No, but if a Christian school wants to teach Creation as an alternative to evolution in science class because they feel this is in line with scripture, they should be allowed to do that. Now if someone who doesn’t believe creation should not be considered an option to evolution but still wants to teach at this school with the understanding that this is school policy, this person should teach according to the agreement of his employment. If a law is passed forbidding the school from terminating a person who chooses to break his agreement of teaching Creationism, the school should think twice before employing such a person due to the possibility of this becoming an issue. Do you agree? If not, why?
 
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I don't see it as a win. It's just a law that makes us accept behavior that some of us don't approve of.
the Civil rights law of 1964 makes racists accept black people acting like they are the social equal to whites. Do you object to that?
 
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Maybe we need a law that makes you approve of me.
its not approval. it's about discrimination. You are free to hate or disapprove of any minority you please but you can't take away someone's job just because they are gay or Jewish or Korean or in a wheelchair and don't meet with your approval.
 
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How would you know someone's sexual preferences unless they were bragging about it at work? I've fired straight guys for obnoxious comments about women and there's nothing they can do. This law would have prohibited me from doing the same to homosexuals.
do people at your job know you are married? How do they know it? do you go around bragging about your sex life at work or do you talk about your wife or have a picture of your family there or (god forbid) wear a wedding ring?
 
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How would you know someone's sexual preferences unless they were bragging about it at work? I've fired straight guys for obnoxious comments about women and there's nothing they can do. This law would have prohibited me from doing the same to homosexuals.
you didn't fire any of those straight guys because they were heterosexual.
 
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I don't approve. It makes me sick to see two men together. Yes I've had to tolerate it with my employees but I still have the right to not like it.
but you don't get to fire them because you have a problem.

I was born this way. We have an attraction to the opposite sex so as to continue the human race. That has been the purpose since the beginning of time. Those that aren't born that way have to deal with that burden and trust in the lord and follow the word of God.
Gays are born that way just like black people are born that way
 
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For me hate is a pretty strong statement. I always get that while giving my opinion yet when I'm around family members that are gay I treat them with respect. I don't stop to help someone and then refuse because they are gay and even as much as I didn't approve at work I probably cut them more slack than the others. For me to hate someone it would take more than just being homosexual.

I do however hold strong to my faith and believe it is wrong.



For the record "It makes me sick" and "I treat them with respect" are mutually exclusive
 
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No, but if a Christian school wants to teach Creation as an alternative to evolution in science class because they feel this is in line with scripture, they should be allowed to do that. Now if someone who doesn’t believe creation should not be considered an option to evolution but still wants to teach at this school with the understanding that this is school policy, this person should teach according to the agreement of his employment. If a law is passed forbidding the school from terminating a person who chooses to break his agreement of teaching Creationism, the school should think twice before employing such a person due to the possibility of this becoming an issue. Do you agree? If not, why?


I have a friend who, years ago taught science in a private school, it wasn't specifically a Christian school but for all intents and purposes it was. The school board deiced that creationism (intelligent design) would be what the kids were taught. He protested this and his job was threatened. and so he said fine i will teach intelligent design and submitted a lesson plan based on what passed for a biology book the school board decided he would use. When school started he related his orders and ask each of his 5 classes to take a quick survey about intelligent design and evolution. Over 90% of the students indicated they fully believed in intelligent design and dismissed evolution as a pack of lies.

His first lesson was about eh scientific method - the means of looking at claims and using observation and investigation and experimentation and predictions to test the validity of those claims. And as each claim about intelligent design came up in the school book he has his classes use the scientific method to explore what the book was saying. At the end of the year the students took the same survey he gave out at the end. There was not a single student that accepted intelligent design. Something the school board wasn't happy about but he had carefully avoided ever saying anything negative about intelligent design at all. And that is how you teach in compliance with school policy but not compromise your ethics
 
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Non religious people don't teach religion in Catholic or Christian school. They teach what they are supposed to teach. And that has nothing to do with church stuff. Health and science has nothing to do with religion.
Health and science absolutely do have plenty to do with religion and belief systems!
 
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I have a friend who, years ago taught science in a private school, it wasn't specifically a Christian school but for all intents and purposes it was. The school board deiced that creationism (intelligent design) would be what the kids were taught. He protested this and his job was threatened. and so he said fine i will teach intelligent design and submitted a lesson plan based on what passed for a biology book the school board decided he would use. When school started he related his orders and ask each of his 5 classes to take a quick survey about intelligent design and evolution. Over 90% of the students indicated they fully believed in intelligent design and dismissed evolution as a pack of lies.

His first lesson was about eh scientific method - the means of looking at claims and using observation and investigation and experimentation and predictions to test the validity of those claims. And as each claim about intelligent design came up in the school book he has his classes use the scientific method to explore what the book was saying. At the end of the year the students took the same survey he gave out at the end. There was not a single student that accepted intelligent design. Something the school board wasn't happy about but he had carefully avoided ever saying anything negative about intelligent design at all. And that is how you teach in compliance with school policy but not compromise your ethics
Awsome!
 
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For the record "It makes me sick" and "I treat them with respect" are mutually exclusive
I disagree! Our culture has accepted two huge lies. First is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. the second is that to love someone means you must agree with everything they believe, say or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate
 
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No, but if a Christian school wants to teach Creation as an alternative to evolution in science class because they feel this is in line with scripture, they should be allowed to do that. Now if someone who doesn’t believe creation should not be considered an option to evolution but still wants to teach at this school with the understanding that this is school policy, this person should teach according to the agreement of his employment. If a law is passed forbidding the school from terminating a person who chooses to break his agreement of teaching Creationism, the school should think twice before employing such a person due to the possibility of this becoming an issue. Do you agree? If not, why?
Firstly what has this got to do with the topic of "gay teachers"?

Oh well.

Science is a method based on examining physical evidence. As far as I understand it Creation doesn't bother with examining physical evidence and instead is based on interpretation of scripture.
So how does interpretation of scripture get into the science class?

But, anyway, if in a Christian school they have interpretation of scripture included in their "science" class. Then so be it. Have your "science" teachers teach creationism. If your teacher at the interview says that they have a problem with teaching creationism in the "science" class, then don't employ that teacher.
 
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I have a friend who, years ago taught science in a private school, it wasn't specifically a Christian school but for all intents and purposes it was. The school board deiced that creationism (intelligent design) would be what the kids were taught. He protested this and his job was threatened. and so he said fine i will teach intelligent design and submitted a lesson plan based on what passed for a biology book the school board decided he would use. When school started he related his orders and ask each of his 5 classes to take a quick survey about intelligent design and evolution. Over 90% of the students indicated they fully believed in intelligent design and dismissed evolution as a pack of lies.

His first lesson was about eh scientific method - the means of looking at claims and using observation and investigation and experimentation and predictions to test the validity of those claims. And as each claim about intelligent design came up in the school book he has his classes use the scientific method to explore what the book was saying. At the end of the year the students took the same survey he gave out at the end. There was not a single student that accepted intelligent design. Something the school board wasn't happy about but he had carefully avoided ever saying anything negative about intelligent design at all. And that is how you teach in compliance with school policy but not compromise your ethics
My point was about the possibility of someone agreeing to something upon employment, then eventually they go against what they agreed upon and want to sue when terminated for breaking their agreement
 
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I disagree! Our culture has accepted two huge lies. First is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. the second is that to love someone means you must agree with everything they believe, say or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate


If you are snearing in disgust at someone they you do not respect them no matter how much you might like to pretend you do.


As for the garbage about "disagreeing" What exactly are you disagreeing with? The LGBT position is that they are people, they are here and they are not going away and they are not second class citizens. That no one deserves to live in fear of loosing the job or their home. That no one deserves to live in fear that they or their families will be harmed because someone "disagrees" with them.

So you disagree with all this but still pretend that somehow it's not hate. Well it is hate. Try owning up to it.
 
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My point was about the possibility of someone agreeing to something upon employment, then eventually they go against what they agreed upon and want to sue when terminated for breaking their agreement
My friend didn't break any agreement. he taught what the school required.
 
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If you are snearing in disgust at someone they you do not respect them no matter how much you might like to pretend you do.


As for the garbage about "disagreeing" What exactly are you disagreeing with? The LGBT position is that they are people, they are here and they are not going away and they are not second class citizens. That no one deserves to live in fear of loosing the job or their home. That no one deserves to live in fear that they or their families will be harmed because someone "disagrees" with them.

So you disagree with all this but still pretend that somehow it's not hate. Well it is hate. Try owning up to it.
I have friends and family who hold political positions I find absurd, and they vote for politicians whose views I find offensive and disgusting. Though I may be appalled by their political views, they are still my family, they are still my friends; I am not going to quit loving them over politics. If I can still love someone even though I disagree with their political positions, I can love them even if I disagree with their religion, their culture, or even their lifestyle choice.
My friend didn't break any agreement. he taught what the school required.
Did you notice my response concerning what your friend did? That means I agree with it.
 
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I have friends and family who hold political positions I find absurd, and they vote for politicians whose views I find offensive and disgusting. Though I may be appalled by their political views, they are still my family, they are still my friends; I am not going to quit loving them over politics. If I can still love someone even though I disagree with their political positions, I can love them even if I disagree with their religion, their culture, or even their lifestyle choice.

Did you notice my response concerning what your friend did? That means I agree with it.
and what "lifestyle choice" are you disagreeing with? That they are people? Their choice to be honest and not hide? That they shouldn't have to live in fear?
 
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the Civil rights law of 1964 makes racists accept black people acting like they are the social equal to whites. Do you object to that?

Skin color and behavior are two different things. I'm sure you understand that though.
 
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