CHOP zone terror

[Oompa Loompa]

Oh? When did that go through Congress?

October 2001. It is also the reason why service members are awarded the National Defense Ribbon for merely signing up and continue to be awarded the Global War on Terrorism medal.

 

[Desk trauma]

October 2001. It is also the reason why service members are awarded the National Defense Ribbon for merely signing up and continue to be awarded the Global War on Terrorism medal.

Oh yeah the indefinite not declared war.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Oh yeah the indefinite not declared war.

Yeah. It is kinda like a Korean war thing but it is legal. Thus...sedition act.

 

[Desk trauma]

Yeah. It is kinda like a Korean war thing but it is legal. Thus...sedition act.

We have a process to declare wars and I find all of the work arounds suspect at best.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

We have a process to declare wars and I find all of the work arounds suspect at best.

And that process was made in 2001. Both Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden voted for it. There has yet to be an official declaration from congress that the GWOT is over.

 

[Larniavc]

Yes. America is still in a state of war.

Not according to Congress?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Not according to Congress?

When did congress declare an end the war on terrorism?

 

[Larniavc]

When did congress declare an end the war on terrorism?

You can’t declare war on ‘terrorism’. That’s like declaring war against drugs.

 

[Desk trauma]

And that process was made in 2001. Both Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden voted for it. There has yet to be an official declaration from congress that the GWOT is over.

Nor will there be.

 

[Ken-1122]

No. It was not highjacked. It always meant racist.

As you can see from the below definition, Nationalism has nothing to do with race. When you consider American nationalism, it doesn’t make sense to suggest it is steeped in racism because unlike all the other countries, America’s culture is multiracial. To be racist in a country whose culture is multiracial goes against nationalism. I can understand perhaps Xenophobia, but racist? No.

Definition of NATIONALISM

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

As you can see from the below definition, Nationalism has nothing to do with race. When you consider American nationalism, it doesn’t make sense to suggest it is steeped in racism because unlike all the other countries, America’s culture is multiracial. To be racist in a country whose culture is multiracial goes against nationalism. I can understand perhaps Xenophobia, but racist? No.

Definition of NATIONALISM

You didn't say nationalism isn't racist. You said white nationalism isn't racist.

You are wrong.

 

[Ken-1122]

You didn't say nationalism isn't racist. You said white nationalism isn't racist.

You are wrong.

I said a white nationalist is a person who loves his country above all others. That does not make him a racist. My point is; the term nationalism is being hijacked to mean racism. It did not always mean racism as he was claiming.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

I said a white nationalist is a person who loves his country above all others.

And you're wrong. That's not what white nationalism is, or ever has been.

I would like to be able to communicate to you the true extent of my thoughts about this subject, and the fact that you are defending it, but it would violate the conduct guidelines of this message board. Suffice to say, you are dangerously ignorant, and you need to stop right now.

 

[Ken-1122]

And you're wrong. That's not what white nationalism is, or ever has been.

I would like to be able to communicate to you the true extent of my thoughts about this subject, and the fact that you are defending it, but it would violate the conduct guidelines of this message board. Suffice to say, you are dangerously ignorant, and you need to stop right now.

Opps! I mispoke on that one. What I meant to say was that a Nationalist is a person who puts his country/nation above all others. Unfortunately there are bigots attempting to hijack the term “nationalist” by putting “white” in front, giving it a whole new meaning; to mean white racist. But the reality is; a nationalist has always been identified by his nation, not his race; hence the name nationalist NOT racist.

 

[FireDragon76]

I do, actually, because you're about to illustrate it right here,



This is exactly the worldview I was talking about. You think solutions to problems which have demonstrable, tangible results, are a waste of time unless they perfectly "fix" the problem. Your "answer" to the problem is to wait around for it to be solved by a supernatural act of magic, and in the meantime, make the problem worse by feebly hacking at the twigs rather than the root.

So, no. You don't get to tell me I'm wrong when I accuse you of not actually caring about these problems. You don't. If you did, you would be interested in helping to make them happen less often, which is demonstrably possible, and within our reach any time we want it. But you're not. You're interested in utterly vacuous moralizing.

Thank you, again, for making an example of yourself.

It's sort of nihilistic, isn't it? "Because we can't have moral perfection, moral progress is impossible". It's absurd.

 

[FireDragon76]

Would my dad dying two months ago count as a big storm? I was not utterly helpless and hopeless. It was tough but these things happen when one is my age.

I got through that without Jesus. Without any recourse to the spiritual. I had support from my friends and family.

Today has been a good day: I’ve laughed with friends, family and work mates. I’m having a nice hot bath, listing to a book and typing this out.

I certainly have no fear of your doomsaying.

And that is precisely how mature people get through life. Love from real people. Acceptance of things that cannot be changed. Cherishing the moments that we have.

So I ask again. How do you explain my happiness without Jesus?

Not hard once you step outside the Christian bubble.

 

[Larniavc]

As you can see from the below definition, Nationalism has nothing to do with race. When you consider American nationalism, it doesn’t make sense to suggest it is steeped in racism because unlike all the other countries, America’s culture is multiracial. To be racist in a country whose culture is multiracial goes against nationalism. I can understand perhaps Xenophobia, but racist? No.

Definition of NATIONALISM

So not ‘white nationalism’ which is very obviously racist the the subject of this discussion.

 

[Ken-1122]

So not ‘white nationalism’ which is very obviously racist the the subject of this discussion.

I was discussing "nationalism" which is often confused with white or black nationalism; which is white or black racism, which has nothing to do with nationalism.

 

[Larniavc]

I was discussing "nationalism" which is often confused with white or black nationalism; which is white or black racism, which has nothing to do with nationalism.

You said "And a White Nationalist is a white person who cares about his country; has nothing to do with racism right?"

 

[Ken-1122]

You said "And a White Nationalist is a white person who cares about his country; has nothing to do with racism right?"

No; a Nationalist is a person (black, white, brown, etc.) who cares about his country and has nothing to do with race.