490 years Daniel 9 - my chart

[Zao is life]

Jesus is Amillennial. The Pharisees are millennial. Did you know third temple sacrifices with cause great apostasy that Even if you plan on it? cannot be forgiven?

I don't support any 3rd temple made with human hands. Christ is the temple. His body of believers are the 3rd temple.

There are many who are absolutely determined to build another temple therefore the possibility is high it will be built.

PS Paul stated the man of sin, the son of perdition would not be revealed until THE apostasy occurs (in the Greek it calls it The Apostasy). Translated as "falling away" in some Bibles.

 

[mkgal1]

So the 7 years in Daniel 9:27, begun when the prince who shall confirms the covenant (the Mt Sinai covenant) - is the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following Gog/Magog which ends with Jesus's return bringing in everlasting righteousness - completing the 490 year prophecy of Daniel 9.

A lot of this is not in the text - it's interpretation.

Those that see this as some future prince dismiss that our Lord Jesus completed the prophecy already and created a "new man" with Jews and Gentiles together. Jesus destroyed the wall of hostility that divided and kept people from worshiping Him together.

Ephesians 2:14 ~ For Christ himself has brought peace to us. He united Jews and Gentiles into one people when, in his own body on the cross, he broke down the wall of hostility that separated us.​

 

[mkgal1]

mkgal1, you are putting the 483 years under a high powered microscope. If Jesus arrived as the messiah on Palm Sunday, the next day was the end of the 483 years. 4 days later the messiah was cutoff crucified. The gap begins there. And the world is still in it. But not for long

It doesn't take a high-powered microscope to see that *within* the set of sabbaths is not AFTER. The messiah was prophesied to come AFTER the 62x7.....and Jesus did....right on time (which is why Herod ordered all the baby boys born during the time Jesus was born - in the set of 62x7 - to be murdered). Herod also died shortly after that.....in 4 BC.

Quoting from link:
Both Luke and Matthew mention Jesus’ birth as occurring during Herod’s reign (Luke 1:5; Matthew 2:1). Josephus relates Herod’s death to a lunar eclipse. This is generally regarded as a reference to a lunar eclipse in 4 B.C. Therefore it is often said that Jesus was born in 4 B.C.

From Herod the Great’s son and successor Herod Antipas, who ruled over Galilee until 39 B.C., who ordered the execution of John the Baptist (Mark 6:14–29) and who had a supporting role in Jesus’ trial (Luke 23:7–12), we have coins that make reference to the 43rd year of his rule, placing its beginning in 4 B.C. at the latest (see Morten Hørning Jensen, “Antipas—The Herod Jesus Knew,” BAR, September/October 2012).
Herod’s Death, Jesus’ Birth and a Lunar Eclipse

***Herod Antipas, who ruled over Galilee until 39 B.C. (I think that's a typo. It seems like it should read "AD" not "BC")​

 

[Dave L]

I don't support any 3rd temple. Christ is the temple. His body of believers are the 3rd temple.

There are many who are absolutely determined to build another temple therefore the possibility is high it will be built.

PS Paul stated the man of sin, the son of perdition would not be revealed until THE apostasy occurs (in the Greek it calls it The Apostasy). Translated as "falling away" in some Bibles.

Where's the temple he supposedly sits in?

 

[honey badger]

Jesus was every bit the son of man as he was the son of God and entered into the feast of Tabernacles long before he entered into Jerusalem, Jesus having kept the feast of Passover and who we follow 2000 cubits behind ...

 

[Zao is life]

Where's the temple he supposedly sits in?

If you search for each time the Greek New Testament uses the word "naos" for temple and each time it uses the word "hieron" for temple you might find the answer, and you might not.

I did my own homework long ago and came up with this:

PS: I still don't make any assumptions.

 

[Dave L]

If you search for each time the Greek New Testament uses the word "naos" for temple and each time it uses the word "hieron" for temple you might find the answer, and you might not.

I did my own homework long ago and came up with this:

PS: I still don't make any assumptions.

Put it in words.

 

[Zao is life]

Put it in words.

Two Greek words for "temple":
hieron: The Temple buildings, outer courts (entire temple precincts).
naos: Used in reference to the holy place and most holy place of the temple in Jerusalem, and in Christ's reference to His body as the temple.

The last time the Greek word naos is used in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, is in the verses describing the tearing of the veil between the holy court and the inner court ("holy of holies").

Thereafter it's only used when Paul refers to our bodies as the temple, the congregation of believers as the temple, and in all the Revelation's references to the temple in heaven

- unless the verse speaking about the "temple" which the man of sin will seat himself up in and the verse in Revelation where John is told to measure the temple of God, are the only two exceptions.

hieron continues to be used throughout the New Testament in the (multiple) references to the temple in Jerusalem in Acts and the epistles and even once in reference to the temple of Diana.

The Greek makes a clear distinction between the two.

It makes it highly possible that the "temple" which the man of sin seats himself up in, is an apostate Christian one - and whether this refers to his own body or to an apostate church I don't know. There are only two people called "the son of perdition" in the New Testament: Judas Iscariot, and the man of sin. Judas Iscariot was thought to be not only a disciple of Christ, but one of the inner circle. We are told that Satan entered into him.

Only Christ knew all along Judas would betray him. To all the other disciples, Judas was a faithful disciple and one of the inner circle.

I have not made up my mind about which "temple" the man of sin will seat himself up in. I don't believe anyone knows (yet).

 

[Dave L]

Two Greek words for "temple":
hieron: The Temple buildings, outer courts (entire temple precincts).
naos: Used in reference to the holy place and most holy place of the temple in Jerusalem, and in Christ's reference to His body as the temple.

The last time the Greek word naos is used in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, is in the verses describing the tearing of the veil between the holy court and the inner court ("holy of holies").

Thereafter it's only used when Paul refers to our bodies as the temple, the congregation of believers as the temple, and in all the Revelation's references to the temple in heaven

- unless the verse speaking about the "temple" which the man of sin will seat himself up in and the verse in Revelation where John is told to measure the temple of God, are the only two exceptions.

hieron continues to be used throughout the New Testament in the (multiple) references to the temple in Jerusalem in Acts and the epistles and even once in reference to the temple of Diana.

The Greek makes a clear distinction between the two.

It makes it highly possible that the "temple" which the man of sin seats himself up in, is an apostate Christian one - and whether this refers to his own body or to an apostate church I don't know. There are only two people called "the son of perdition" in the New Testament: Judas Iscariot, and the man of sin. Judas Iscariot was thought to be not only a disciple of Christ, but one of the inner circle. We are told that Satan entered into him.

Only Christ knew all along Judas would betray him. To all the other disciples, Judas was a faithful disciple and one of the inner circle.

I have not made up my mind about which "temple" the man of sin will seat himself up in. I don't believe anyone knows (yet).

The Reformers said it was the Papacy and the temple is Christendom.

 

[Zao is life]

The Reformers said it was the Papacy and the temple is Christendom.

I don't believe "everything" the Reformers teach or taught any more than I believe "everything" the church they thought they could reform teaches or taught.

God has not told us who the man of sin is yet. Paul said he will only be revealed when the apostasy is already underway.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thess 2:3.

In other words the man of sin has not been revealed yet.

I understand why the Reformers believed it was the Papacy (many of them and those who came after them made it clear why), but the man of sin has not been revealed yet.

And changing the subject to the harlot, Jerusalem which now exists on earth is an even better Biblical candidate for the harlot than the Christian "woman"/city which is normally put forward as the harlot.

 

[Dave L]

I don't believe "everything" the Reformers teach or taught any more than I believe "everything" the church they thought they could reform teaches or taught.

God has not told us who the man of sin is yet. Paul said he will only be revealed when the apostasy is already underway.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thess 2:3.

In other words the man of sin has not been revealed yet.

I understand why the Reformers believed it was the Papacy (many of them and those who came after them made it clear why), but the man of sin has not been revealed yet.

And changing the subject to the harlot, Jerusalem which now exists on earth is an even better Biblical candidate for the harlot than the Christian "woman"/city which is normally put forward as the harlot.

Could it be the Reformers were right? And you are still in the dark? Certainly, they have more to show for their studies than any of us.

 

[Zao is life]

Could it be the Reformers were right? And you are still in the dark? Certainly, they have more to show for their studies than any of us.

How could they have accurately identified the man of sin before he is identified?

We have to be careful not to be standing in the middle of the road near the blind bend and getting hit by the bus because we believed it was coming from the other direction.

 

[Dave L]

How could they have accurately identified the man of sin before he is identified?

We have to be careful not to be standing in the middle of the road near the blind bend and getting hit by the bus because we believed it was coming from the other direction.

Does he bear all the attributes?

 

[Zao is life]

Does he bear all the attributes?

He has not exalted himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped and put himself in God's temple claiming to be God.

I don't even believe the papacy is considered a church by God. It's candlestick was removed aeons ago.

 

[Dave L]

He has not exalted himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped and put himself in God's temple claiming to be God.

I don't even believe the papacy is considered a church by God. It's candlestick was removed aeons ago.

He does exactly that. If you have any study invested in the subject.

 

[Zao is life]

He does exactly that. If you have any study invested in the subject.

You should provide the study in a thread then. Otherwise you're claiming things without backing up what you say.

 

[Dave L]

You should provide the study in a thread then. Otherwise you're claiming things without backing up what you say.

It's common knowledge that the Reformers taught the Papacy is Antichrist/the man of sin.

 

[Zao is life]

It's common knowledge that the Reformers taught the Papacy is Antichrist/the man of sin.

Yes I know. I have SDA's in my family. Believe me, I know.

You should look for the bus coming from other directions, because you and they could be wrong.

 

[keras]

I doubt that Isaiah 66:8 is referring to the secular state of Israel in 1948. Is that all the scripture you can summon to support this idea, one verse?

Douggg has been pulled up on the false teaching of Isaiah 66:7-9, pertaining to the Jewish Sate of Israel, many times. But he just continues to promote it.
This is why all of his charts, opinions and beliefs are suspect . He fails to properly study the context of much of his pronouncements.

 

[Dave L]

Yes I know. I have SDA's in my family. Believe me, I know.

You should look for the bus coming from other directions, because you and they could be wrong.

I believe they were better informed than you.