THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS (Luke 16) IS NOT A PARABLE

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The ghastly dogma of unending torment is from the pit, NOT ABBA, the Father of all fathers!

There are children of God. There are saints of God.

There are those who follow the Lamb in the withersoever of His steps. Those incredible trophies of Fathers love & grace are called overcomers.

The overcomer ONLY is not "hurt" by the 2nd death!

The so called overcomers you are referring to are those who live through the Tribulation period my dear brother. YES, they will overcome the terrible judgments that will come from God upon the earth and the A/C and his band of thugs.

From what you post, you do not seem to understand what the 2nd Death is according to the Bible.

This second death is eternal separation from God.

Rev. 21:8......…….
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death".

It is said that those who are born twice (once physically and once spiritually) will suffer just one death, while those who are born but once (physically) suffer two deaths. We all have a choice—salvation in Jesus, or our own will which is in rebellion to God. Scripture tells of a time of judgement in which those who reject Jesus will suffer and those who accept Him will spend eternity with Him. This is a warning for some, and an encouragement for others to share their faith.
 
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FALSE! BUT THERE ARE MANY SCRIPTURES CONDEMNING WILFUL BLINDNESS. :preach:

Brother Ben: There is only one way for those who are blind and deaf to be transformed in our Father's World. It comes when the Giver of Zao walks into them and says....

Ephphatha !
 
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Brother Ben: There is only one way for those who are blind and deaf to be transformed in our Father's World. It comes when the Giver of Zao walks into them and says....

Ephphatha !

Moonbeam.....Pride goes before a fall!
 
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From what you post, you do not seem to understand what the 2nd Death is according to the Bible.

This second death is eternal separation from God.

The Lake of Theos radiates with theion and theioo. Anything and everyone who He breathes upon has lasting transformation.

Abba is the Source, Guide, Goal of the ALL/ ta pavnte!
 
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FineLinen said:
The Lake of Theos radiates with theion and theioo. Anything and everyone who He breathes upon has lasting transformation.
Abba is the Source, Guide, Goal of the ALL/ ta pavnte!
Romans 1:24
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Psalms 81:11-12
11 But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me.
12 So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.
Revelation 22:11
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
 
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Remember............
Mr. Finlinen admitted what I and everyone else who read the Bible know.....
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! HE SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".
I can provide a page full. And more where that came from. See below.

Furthermore, where does the Bible claim that no one comes out of the LoF?

Here are those main Universalism scriptures.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven,
by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

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Isaiah 26:9
My soul yearns for you in the night;
in the morning my spirit longs for you.
When your judgments come upon the earth,
the people of the world learn righteousness.

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Only God and his attributes are eternal.

His mercy endures forever. Ps.118, Ps.136
His loving kindness is everlasting. Ps.118, Ps.136
Mercy triumphs over judgment. James 2:13

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John 5:24-26
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.


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Ephesians 1:7-10
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.


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Psalm 62:11-12
One thing God has spoken,
two things I have heard:
“Power belongs to you, God,
12 and with you, Lord, is unfailing love”;
and, “You reward everyone
according to what they have done.”

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1 Timothy 1:15
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance:
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.

2 Corinthians 5:18-19
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ
and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling
the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them.
And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Romans 8:20-21
For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice,
but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself
will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought
into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

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Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

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1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment.
The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

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Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

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Steve, talk is cheep and opinions are worthless. I am only intersested in what the Word of God says about these things.
If that was true, you would have accepted what I have already posted. But alas...
 
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Steve...…..
Now you post the Scriptures which tell us that "ALL" of those individuals will accept Christ and be saved and then removed from the Lake of Fire" and delivered to Heaven with God.

That is exactly what all of you have been saying. NOW PROVE IT!
This is not hard to understand. If everyone is to be reconciled, then NO ONE will be left in the LoF. What part of ALL don't you understand?

Saint Steven said:
At least four times in Romans five we are given the outcome, the results of what Christ has done for ALL of humankind. This INFORMS us of what happens in reference to the LoF. Grace is LARGER than the trespass. (see bold below) Grace, justification and righteousness are a result of what Christ did. It's not about us.

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
 
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This is not hard to understand. If everyone is to be reconciled, then NO ONE will be left in the LoF. What part of ALL don't you understand?

Saint Steven said:
At least four times in Romans five we are given the outcome, the results of what Christ has done for ALL of humankind. This INFORMS us of what happens in reference to the LoF. Grace is LARGER than the trespass. (see bold below) Grace, justification and righteousness are a result of what Christ did. It's not about us.

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

It must be very, very difficult Steve. Now exactly where in those 2 Scriptures can we find the words I asked you to post from the Bible...…...
"There will be salvation for ALL those cast into the Lake of Fire. They will accept Christ and be saved and removed from the Lake of Fire.

Now I need to remind you that YOUR friend and associate in this matter, "Finelinen" has already said what I and everyone else who read the Bible know.....
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! HE SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

I would hate to see you at odds with your buddy so you might want to rethink your comments.
 
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If that was true, you would have accepted what I have already posted. But alas...

If you had posted real Scriptures that are within the context of the thread I certainly would have. But you see, YOU are cherry picking those Scriptures that seem to match what YOU want them to say and using them as validation for a theology THAT IS NOT FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES.
 
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I can provide a page full. And more where that came from. See below.

Furthermore, where does the Bible claim that no one comes out of the LoF?

Here are those main Universalism scriptures.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven,
by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Isaiah 26:9
My soul yearns for you in the night;
in the morning my spirit longs for you.
When your judgments come upon the earth,
the people of the world learn righteousness.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Only God and his attributes are eternal.

His mercy endures forever. Ps.118, Ps.136
His loving kindness is everlasting. Ps.118, Ps.136
Mercy triumphs over judgment. James 2:13

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

John 5:24-26
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Ephesians 1:7-10
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Psalm 62:11-12
One thing God has spoken,
two things I have heard:
“Power belongs to you, God,
12 and with you, Lord, is unfailing love”;
and, “You reward everyone
according to what they have done.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1 Timothy 1:15
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance:
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.

2 Corinthians 5:18-19
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ
and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling
the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them.
And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Romans 8:20-21
For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice,
but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself
will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought
into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment.
The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

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Good job Steve. All really great Bible Scriptures and I accept and believe every single one of them. HOWEVER, again I must point out to you that you DID NOT POST ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE WHICH STATES THAT "ALL PEOPLE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE WILL BE SAVED IN THE END AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE'

Now take you time brother and really focus on the question...…...
POST ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE WHICH STATES THAT "ALL PEOPLE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE WILL BE SAVED IN THE END AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE'.
IMHO, all Bible reading and believing Christians know that Christ died so that He would be the Lord both of the dead and the living.​
We ALL know that that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,​
in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. "​
That simply means that those in the Lake of Fire will admit Jesus is the Lord and God and Messiah. Now again..................​
'WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THAT THEY WILL BE SAVED AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE".
I am not going to take the time to correctly explain those Scriptures that you took time to copy and paste, however I will tell you that NONE of them, NOT ONE SINLE Scriptures says that ANYONE IN THE LAKE OF FIR WILL BE REMOVED FROM IT, NO NOT ONE.​
BUT, the day is young, so keep trying.​
 
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It must be very, very difficult Steve. Now exactly where in those 2 Scriptures can we find the words I asked you to post from the Bible...…...
"There will be salvation for ALL those cast into the Lake of Fire. They will accept Christ and be saved and removed from the Lake of Fire.
Just to be clear. No one here has claimed that your words would be found in the Bible. That's a ridiculous request.
 
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If you had posted real Scriptures that are within the context of the thread I certainly would have. But you see, YOU are cherry picking those Scriptures that seem to match what YOU want them to say and using them as validation for a theology THAT IS NOT FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES.
You only presume that our doctrine is not biblical. We present the scriptures and then you claim cherry picking. How is it that your scriptures aren't cherry picked as well?
 
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Now take you time brother and really focus on the question...…...
POST ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE WHICH STATES THAT "ALL PEOPLE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE WILL BE SAVED IN THE END AND REMOVED FROM THE LAKE OF FIRE'.
If all humankind will be restored, then no one will be left in the LoF.
Will you come out of the LoF?

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.
 
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We ALL know that that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. "​
Did you know this?
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The word translated "bow" is KAMPTO, found in the Bible only in Paul's writings, and means TO BOW IN WORSHIP. The meaning is clarified when we understand the Spirit that moved Paul when he said, "For this cause I BOW my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Eph. 3:14). No compulsory adulation there! What love and worship and adoration moved Paul to BOW low before the One whose love had completely won his heart in unmovable allegiance. He was captivated by this altogether lovely One. Humbled by the knowledge that he was the "chiefest of sinners," and awed by the love and mercy of the Lord, he bowed his knees - worship and adoration freely and spontaneously flowing from every part of his being. For the present time, such bowing, such worship, is found only in the "firstfruits" - those whom God has apprehended and drawn to Himself in this age. But we read of a coming day, witnessed in spirit by the beloved apostle John - "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth ... heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sits upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever" (Rev. 5:14).

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
 
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Saint Steven said:
You only presume that our doctrine is not biblical. We present the scriptures and then you claim cherry picking. How is it that your scriptures aren't cherry picked as well?
By cherry picking disparate scriptures UR-ites can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to. Here is an example of similar cherry picking.
Matthew 27:5 Judas went and hanged himself. Luke 10:37 Jesus said go thou and do likewise.
 
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Again.....that is just not true. I have addressed every single one of your opinions.

The fact is that your opinions are the same as the Universalists on this thread. I calls them the ways I see them.

Again.....you have refuted NOTHING with the Scriptures. YOU have only posted WHAT YOU THINK and what YOU want the Scriptures to say.

I think any rational person can see through this "opinions" nonsense. I've shown the fallacious nature of your claims. You didn't respond to that other than to say it was an opinion. A fallacy is not a opinion. I've shown where your statement were fallacious. I've shown you that aion doesn't mean forever, despite what a dictionary says. An, trying to lump me in with a group that you disagree with does nothing to straighten your arguments. The wicked won't burn forever. I've shown that from Jesus, Isaiah, and Jeremiah. I've shown that Hades and Gehenna are two completely different places. You can ignore the facts all you like, that doesn't change them. Calling them opinions doesn't change them.
 
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Did you know this?
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The word translated "bow" is KAMPTO, found in the Bible only in Paul's writings, and means TO BOW IN WORSHIP. The meaning is clarified when we understand the Spirit that moved Paul when he said, "For this cause I BOW my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Eph. 3:14). No compulsory adulation there! What love and worship and adoration moved Paul to BOW low before the One whose love had completely won his heart in unmovable allegiance. He was captivated by this altogether lovely One. Humbled by the knowledge that he was the "chiefest of sinners," and awed by the love and mercy of the Lord, he bowed his knees - worship and adoration freely and spontaneously flowing from every part of his being. For the present time, such bowing, such worship, is found only in the "firstfruits" - those whom God has apprehended and drawn to Himself in this age. But we read of a coming day, witnessed in spirit by the beloved apostle John - "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth ... heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sits upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever" (Rev. 5:14).

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1

Yes Steve I knew that.

But where in the Scriptures do we find that those in hell who "BOW"/"KAMPO"
in worship to Jesus Christ THEN LEAVE THE LAKE OF FIRE?????

You see, no matter what you post it always comes back to …...
Where in the Scriptures does it say....."Those in the Lake of Fire are removed to heaven after they bow down to Jesus".

You see, YOU as a UNIVERSALIST read Phillipians 2:10 and YOU naturally see it meaning ALL GET SAVED. The image of every person bowing before Jesus and confessing him as Lord fits right into your theology especially since we typically associate bowing and confessing before Jesus with salvation.

However.... Bowing before Jesus and confessing his true identity does mean salvation.

Allow me to show you something you will not like or even want to think about from Mark 3:11, which says......
“Whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they would fall down before him and shout, ‘You are the Son of God!’”

These demons responded as vanquished foes, not faithful believers.

Moreover, in Philippians 2:10-11 Paul is referencing Isaiah 45:23-24, which is clear that “some of those who bend the knee and confess the greatness of the Lord are opponents who will now be put to shame,”.

Now, consider that When Jesus returns, there will be many who bow before him and confess him as Lord out of love. But there also will be those who bow and confess out of defeat.

Everyone eventually will bow before Christ and confess him as Lord, but whether one will do so as triumphant friend or vanquished foe depends on repentance and faith in this life (Revelation 19:11-16).
 
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I think any rational person can see through this "opinions" nonsense. I've shown the fallacious nature of your claims. You didn't respond to that other than to say it was an opinion. A fallacy is not a opinion. I've shown where your statement were fallacious. I've shown you that aion doesn't mean forever, despite what a dictionary says. An, trying to lump me in with a group that you disagree with does nothing to straighten your arguments. The wicked won't burn forever. I've shown that from Jesus, Isaiah, and Jeremiah. I've shown that Hades and Gehenna are two completely different places. You can ignore the facts all you like, that doesn't change them. Calling them opinions doesn't change them.

And THAT is YOUR opinion!!!!!
 
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