A question to the Christian Trump supporters.

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

but it’s still isn’t atheism . It’s the freedom to choose your religion or not . I would hate to see my gay neighbors harassed by some self righteous nutcase who hates gays for religious reasons . I can just imagine the abuses if the government had that kind of overcontrol especially now when people are openly gay and not hiding like they used to.

Well you're just imposing your image of what you consider Christianity on to me. You're free to think I'm a foaming at the mouth religious nutcase but why should I respect this? Why should I respect your inaccurate characterization of me? As if I endorse hunting down Homosexuals?I would consider your viewpoint to justify numerous wrongs against conscientious objectors to Homosexuals based solely on the rhetoric you've used. But I really don't want to talk about it here.

I think your just imposing your ideas of a fundamentalist on to me. So what more can be said at this point? We have two dichotomous viewpoints which cannot be reconciled. You want religion to be kept out of the public. I want it to be actively informing the consciousnesses of people and forming the basis of a country's worldview. I prefer Christian morality over secular morality.

You're calling this freedom but how is it freedom when you actively oppose anything religious having public expression?

We can't go anywhere from here without continuing to derail the thread further. Do you want to continue?

 

[DebbieJ]

It's the 4th page now. I only see 2 replies from Trump supporters. Thank you for replying.

 

[Brightmoon]

Well you're just imposing your image of what you consider Christianity on to me. You're free to think I'm a foaming at the mouth religious nutcase but why should I respect this? Why should I respect your inaccurate characterization of me? As if I endorse hunting down Homosexuals?I would consider your viewpoint to justify numerous wrongs against conscientious objectors to Homosexuals based solely on the rhetoric you've used. But I really don't want to talk about it here.

I think your just imposing your ideas of a fundamentalist on to me. So what more can be said at this point? We have two dichotomous viewpoints which cannot be reconciled. You want religion to be kept out of the public. I want it to be actively informing the consciousnesses of people and forming the basis of a country's worldview. I prefer Christian morality over secular morality.

You're calling this freedom but how is it freedom when you actively oppose anything religious having public expression?

We can't go anywhere from here without continuing to derail the thread further. Do you want to continue?

most of what you call morality is just over control of people who don’t share your opinions and beliefs

 

[wing2000]

Love is patient,
love is kind.
It does not envy,
it does not boast,
it is not proud.
It is not rude,
it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

zero out of ten.

 

[Allandavid]

President Trump is an honorable man.

You have your ‘honour bar’ set underground...

NO ONE is perfect, NO ONE can expected to be so.

And some are waaaay less perfect than others...hello Donnie.

President Trump holds other countries responsible for their grievous and corruptible actions against us.

Name an example...

President Trump is courageous. He will not back down to bullies and tyrants and exploiters and such.

Unless their name is Vlad, of course...

President Trump loves and protects his family.

Yes, he loves family so much, he’s had 3 of them. He loves wives so much, he can’t get enough of them. He loves mothers so much, he took his sexual urges to a inappropriate content star while his wife was nursing his son. He loves Eric so much that....we’ll, let’s not go there...

President Trump does not fill the air with a lot of nonsensical political innuendos and waste time and lie with sooth saying but is frank, blunt, and to the point, just like Jesus.

15000 lies says you’re wrong...

I love the man and will vote for him again in a heartbeat.

Oh, I have no doubt of that...

 

[ximmix]

Put simply, what qualities of Christ do you see in Trump?

Please think about this a few moments before answering, as this is a question I have been wanting to ask for the past four years and have not.

To the religious right that doesn't matterat all, they still adore Trump despite his past and present obvious vilolations of the Ten Commandments.

But somehow they love to scrutinize any polititian to the left, somehow then it's very important that they are moral and truthful.

 

[Evan Jellicoe]

And yet his policies work better for the body of Christ who have a mandate to hold forth the Word of Life in sharing the gospel without hindrance Philp 2:15 which is the only thing that can change men's hearts for the better. When it came to the Apostle Paul you won't find a lot of what he says to pray for government leaders BUT....that's one thing. That the gospel would be able to go forth without being hindered. 2 Thess 3:1 The gospel....man's only hope for true LIFE and PEACE. Even if Trump is the chief of sinners how is he not better than voting for another who stands in the way of the salvation message being shared?

Freedom to hear and share the Gospel is obviously of great importance. But you're confusing two things that are quite different:
1) Your own freedom to believe as your conscience leads you.
2) Your ability to force others to go along with what you believe is right.

"Liberalism" does not oppose the first; it opposes the second.
It is not trying to stamp out the Gospel of Christ. It is fighting for the freedom to be not Christian.

Now you and I might think "Why would anybody not want to be a Christian?" but the American tradition of religious freedom, championed by Baptists since the early 1600s, is that civil government has no right to compel religion. Preaching and hearing the Gospel should be voluntary, not forced by law. I cannot think of any good Biblical reason to disagree with that.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Put simply, what qualities of Christ do you see in Trump?

Please think about this a few moments before answering, as this is a question I have been wanting to ask for the past four years and have not.

The same qualities of Christ I see in every other politician.

 

[Bobber]

Preaching and hearing the Gospel should be voluntary, not forced by law.

Who ever said it should be forced by law?

 

[Evan Jellicoe]

Who ever said it should be forced by law?

Try to see things from the other side's point of view. Conservatives generally hate the 1962 Supreme Court decision banning compulsory prayer in schools. But imagine that you were a high school student somewhere in the mideast because your dad worked there for an oil company. The school regularly had Muslim prayers. Maybe you don't care in the slightest. Or maybe you object strongly, but you know there's nothing you can do about it. But does that help you understand how other people might feel about having Christian prayers forced on them? (Especially if they are American citizens and not outsiders.) Prayer should be free-will and voluntary, not forced.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Put simply, what qualities of Christ do you see in Trump?



Please think about this a few moments before answering, as this is a question I have been wanting to ask for the past four years and have not.

He does not support abortion
(murder of the most fragile Americans).
M

 

[Scann]

Well you're just imposing your image of what you consider Christianity on to me. You're free to think I'm a foaming at the mouth religious nutcase but why should I respect this? Why should I respect your inaccurate characterization of me? As if I endorse hunting down Homosexuals?I would consider your viewpoint to justify numerous wrongs against conscientious objectors to Homosexuals based solely on the rhetoric you've used. But I really don't want to talk about it here.

I think your just imposing your ideas of a fundamentalist on to me. So what more can be said at this point? We have two dichotomous viewpoints which cannot be reconciled. You want religion to be kept out of the public. I want it to be actively informing the consciousnesses of people and forming the basis of a country's worldview. I prefer Christian morality over secular morality.

You're calling this freedom but how is it freedom when you actively oppose anything religious having public expression?

We can't go anywhere from here without continuing to derail the thread further. Do you want to continue?

You asked five questions. She answered none.

 

[Speedwell]

You're calling this freedom but how is it freedom when you actively oppose anything religious having public expression?

Part of the problem is that we aren't quite sure what you mean by "public expression."

I want it to be actively informing the consciousnesses of people and forming the basis of a country's worldview.

What possible ways do you see to achieve that in a secular state with a diverse religious population?

 

[Hazelelponi]

No, it isn't. The OP asks "What qualities do you see in Trump?" Either answer the question with a real answer, or else ignore the question completely. But don't just misdirect to get attention off of the question.

None. I see a warrior in Trump.

I see Christ in Ben Carson.

We needed a warrior, not a saint, if we are to keep our way of life - our freedom.

 

[Speedwell]

None. I see a warrior in Trump.

I see Christ in Ben Carson.

We needed a warrior, not a saint, if we are to keep our way of life - our freedom.

Go ahead and keep your way of life. You only need a warrior if you want to impose it on the rest of us.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I'm sure that conservative concerns about abortion are sincere and I don't dismiss them. But they are religious concerns

Not really, they are societal concerns.

What kind of society devolves so far that the murder of the most vulnerable among us is praiseworthy.

A women who would kill her own baby without remorse is not someone I want to live next door to and I certainly don't want her teaching my children in schools, or making laws concerning societal right and wrong...

It also effects men (half this country) because if a woman can murder HIS flesh and blood as "her choice" then why can't he choose to abandon the same child if she decides to "keep" it (as opposed to cold blooded murder).

I mean, it's his money, his choice right?

Abortion is a societal issue well beyond religious considerations.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Go ahead and keep your way of life. You only need a warrior if you want to impose it on the rest of us.

I think freedom should be a concern for all of us...

Your trying to impose tyranny on me....

 

[Speedwell]

Not really, they are societal concerns.

What kind of society devolves so far that the murder of the most vulnerable among us is praiseworthy.

A women who would kill her own baby without remorse is not someone I want to live next door to and I certainly don't want her teaching my children in schools, or making laws concerning societal right and wrong...

It also effects men (half this country) because if a woman can murder HIS flesh and blood as "her choice" then why can't he choose to abandon the same child if she decides to "keep" it (as opposed to cold blooded murder).

I mean, it's his money, his choice right?

Abortion is a societal issue well beyond religious considerations.

This is no place to argue the question, but I will merely point out that considering abortion to be murder is a religious opinion not universally shared.

 

[Speedwell]

I think freedom should be a concern for all of us...

Your trying to impose tyranny on me....

By not allowing you to use the government to disadvantage or even punish people for committing Christians sins. Right.

 

[ximmix]

None. I see a warrior in Trump.

I see Christ in Ben Carson.

We needed a warrior, not a saint, if we are to keep our way of life - our freedom.

Trump is a warrior? That actually made me laugh. He may have paid lip service to your particular cause, but be sure he would never stand in the frontline for anything. Some warrior...