A question to the Christian Trump supporters.

[Strathos]

If conservatives really cared about lowering abortion rates, they would support mandatory sex education in schools and free birth control available to anyone who asked for it.

 

[Bobber]

I voted for President Trump on his stance being pro-life. Also for his stance on christian morals and Israel. That being said. I am very disappointed in this man's backbone. I have no idea where my vote will be going this year. God willing.

Maybe you're forgetting something? It seems you're depending on this man, a mere flesh and blood mortal to be able to stand up and achieve certain things which may be humanly impossible. With your and my praying for the man to strengthen his weak areas maybe all the sudden you'd come to realize something new.....he now has the backbone you'd like to see? You've already said you like the areas he's strong.....I'm sure too he wouldn't be offended if we said we're praying for him.

 

[Sparagmos]

If people were to hold their politicians to a Christlike standard they would not be able to participate in politics at all.

I can think of quite a few past presidents that had some Christ-like qualities. Compassion and kindness, faithfulness, and patience.

 

[Brightmoon]

Maybe you're forgetting something? It seems you're depending on this man, a mere flesh and blood mortal to be able to stand up and achieve certain things which may be humanly possible. With your and my praying for the man to strengthen his weak areas maybe all the sudden you'd come to realize something new.....he now has the backbone you'd like to see? You've already said you like the areas he's strong.....I'm sure too he wouldn't be offended if we said we're praying for him.

I was prejudiced against him since I saw how he mistreated his first wife . I dislike entitled misogynists and it’s sped further down hill from there since then, going solely on his subsequent extremely immature behavior ,his poor political , international, and domestic decisions and the pandering to the worst of American tendencies that he’s done. I’m proudly a neverTrumper

 

[Aryeh Jay]

A modern King Cyrus.

 

[public hermit]

what qualities of Christ do you see in Trump?

Technically this isn't a mere quality, but it's the one thing Trump does have in common with Christ: he is human. So, he's got that going for him.

My opinion is that Christian conservatives don't like Trump because he has any Christ-like qualities, or even any redeeming qualities, but because he promotes their agenda. That in itself wouldn't be a problem, except in hopes of saving their own integrity they defend him as if he has some integrity, which is dishonest. And in supporting him, they support all of the anti-Christ-like effects of his administration. In short, they have failed to beware and discern the one in sheep's clothing who inwardly is a ravenous wolf. Or, maybe better, the one in wolf's clothing who inwardly is also a ravenous wolf. Sad. Very sad.

 

[A2597]

Wow, this went all over the place, thank you to the couple people that answered my question directly.

For the record, been away from this forum awhile, kinda surprised to see the diversity in the forums now. So to clarify, I am a Christian, and I asked this question here because asking people I know would probably risk some friendships. (Sad state of affairs I know)

 

[Bobber]

I was prejudiced against him since I saw how he mistreated his first wife . I dislike entitled misogynists and it’s sped further down hill from there since then, going solely on his subsequent extremely immature behavior ,his poor political , international, and domestic decisions and the pandering to the worst of American tendencies that he’s done. I’m proudly a neverTrumper

And yet his policies work better for the body of Christ who have a mandate to hold forth the Word of Life in sharing the gospel without hindrance Philp 2:15 which is the only thing that can change men's hearts for the better. When it came to the Apostle Paul you won't find a lot of what he says to pray for government leaders BUT....that's one thing. That the gospel would be able to go forth without being hindered. 2 Thess 3:1 The gospel....man's only hope for true LIFE and PEACE. Even if Trump is the chief of sinners how is he not better than voting for another who stands in the way of the salvation message being shared?

 

[Speedwell]

And yet his policies work better for the body of Christ who have a mandate to hold forth the Word of Life in sharing the gospel without hindrance Philp 2:15 which is the only thing that can change men's hearts for the better. When it came to the Apostle Paul you won't find a lot of what he says to pray for government leaders BUT....that's one thing. That the gospel would be able to go forth without being hindered. 2 Thess 3:1 The gospel....man's only hope for true LIFE and PEACE. Even if Trump is the chief of sinners how is he not better than voting for another who stands in the way of the salvation message being shared?

Yet one hears so very little of the Good News of Christ from Trump's Christian supporters. Are they not taking advantage of this opportunity?

 

[Palmfever]

Put simply, what qualities of Christ do you see in Trump?

Please think about this a few moments before answering, as this is a question I have been wanting to ask for the past four years and have not.

What qualities In Trump does Christ have?

It its a bonus when we have Christian Politicians. During Obama’s first campaign the approval of Congress was at 17%. Why would anyone in their right mind hitch their wagon to a career politician? We vote for someone who can further our view of the direction America should go. The snake charmers in Washington, the obfuscating obstructionists of truth should all be voted out. Term limits.

What ever Trump believes in his heart I don’t know any more than I knew yours when you phrased the question. So I’m coming to no conclusion on either.

I did not vote for Trump, but I would never have voted for Clinton. It was between a donkey and an ass in my opinion. One was a duplicitous misandrist career snake oil salesperson. The other, a businessman who might be able to do something about the economy and national debt. Bit of a b.s.er, but not a resident of the sewer pit. It is true, he should shut up and do his job, he does not have the oratory skills of Obama. But Obama…. I wouldn’t buy a used car from him.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I can think of quite a few past presidents that had some Christ-like qualities. Compassion and kindness, faithfulness, and patience.

I can't think of any.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

No one is advocating state atheism. The Constitution provides for state religious neutrality. You are free to advocate for laws influenced by religion and to voice your moral concerns. But so do the rest of us; your particular religion enjoys no special privilege in that regard.

The bold is the most important. What was the point in all your responses then? Did you think I was unaware of the secular nature of the United States or something? I'm legitimately confused about this dialogue because if you're not advocating some sort of atheistic secularism or anti-religious secularism then why were you contesting me in the first place?

Legitimately confused because I don't understand what you're attempting to do accomplish by this conversation.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

As an Anglican, a "Bible-hating, Christ-denying commie" who is "only pretending to be a Christian" and who "hates America" and wants to "destroy Judeo-Christian values" you will pardon me, I hope, for not agreeing with you.

Well, I don't have to add anything more, do i?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

but this country isnt Christian, it’s just that most of the population is Christian . So you do get these little bleed overs . For example gay marriage was opposed by religious people including some Christians and they held up the civil right for a long time . But they lost that battle BECAUSE being against gays is a religious prejudice not a fact of nature.

I agree, Christianity did lose the battle and I also agree Christianity is not the official religion of the United states. So what's your point?

 

[Palmfever]

If conservatives really cared about lowering abortion rates, they would support mandatory sex education in schools and free birth control available to anyone who asked for it.

Sex Education is widely supported by the vast majority of people in the United States. In Planned Parenthood’s most recent poll on sex education, 93 percent of parents supported having sex education taught in middle school, and 96 percent of parents supported having sex education taught in high school. The vast majority of parents support sex education in middle school and high school that covers a wide range of topics, including STDs, puberty, healthy relationships, contraception, and sexual orientation. Other national, state and local polls on sex education have shown similarly high levels of support.
It would seem that the problem isn't with conservatives. Maybe the states. Google is up and running...

 

[Speedwell]

Well, I don't have to add anything more, do i?

I don't know, you might come up with something original. Right-wing Christian rhetoric is becoming repetitive

The bold is the most important. What was the point in all your responses then? Did you think I was unaware of the secular nature of the United States or something? I'm legitimately confused about this dialogue because if you're not advocating some sort of atheistic secularism or anti-religious secularism then why were you contesting me in the first place?

Legitimately confused because I don't understand what you're attempting to do accomplish by this conversation.

Because, maybe, you were accusing me of it? At least by implication, that as a purported member of "The Left" who, by and large are not promoting "atheistic secularism" except perhaps as a defensive measure, to keep the Christian Right from running roughshod over the country. It is rather like the old days when evolution and school prayer were big issues. We had to decide whether we wanted Evangelical Protestant prayer and Bible study (and none other) in the public schools or no religion at all, and we chose no religion at all, and we could teach our children whatever religious ideas we wanted in our own homes and churches.

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[Brightmoon]

I agree, Christianity did lose the battle and I also agree Christianity is not the official religion of the United states. So what's your point?

The point is that your so called Christian agenda is not wanted even by all Christians . America doesn’t need to be an abusive misogynistic theocracy because it seems that this is where we’re headed

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

The point is that your so called Christian agenda is not wanted even by all Christians . America doesn’t need to be an abusive misogynistic theocracy because it seems that this is where we’re headed

Who said anything about theocracy? I don't want priests running the government. Though I think you might be right. They might prefer laws which reflect a secular morality rather than a Christian morality. Christianity is on the decline in the west in general. So again, what's your point? That those of us who want to change society for the better should give up?

Are you trying to tell me things I don't already know? Also, whose being misogynistic here? Why bring up that?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I don't know, you might come up with something original. Right-wing Christian rhetoric is becoming repetitive
Because, maybe, you were accusing me of it? At least by implication, that as a purported member of "The Left" who, by and large are not promoting "atheistic secularism" except perhaps as a defensive measure, to keep the Christian Right from running roughshod over the country. It is rather like the old days when evolution and school prayer were big issues. We had to decide whether we wanted Evangelical Protestant prayer and Bible study (and none other) in the public schools or no religion at all, and we chose no religion at all, and we could teach our children whatever religious ideas we wanted in our own homes and churches.

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So what's the problem here? You want to keep religion out of the public sphere and government right? If you disagree with calling that secular atheism, fine. I will say, In essence I don't see a difference.

 

[Brightmoon]

So what's the problem here? You want to keep religion out of the public sphere and government right? If you disagree with calling that secular atheism, fine. I will say, In essence I don't see a difference.

but it’s still isn’t atheism . It’s the freedom to choose your religion or not . I would hate to see my gay or Muslim or Jewish or atheist neighbors harassed by some self righteous nutcase who hates gays or Muslims or Jews or atheists for religious reasons . I can just imagine the abuses if the government had that kind of overcontrol especially now when people are openly gay or atheist and not hiding like they used to. Look at how YOU talk about atheists . Most of the atheists I know have more morals than some fundamentalists