Police Disperse Peaceful Protesters With Tear Gas for Trump's Bible Photo-Op

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Do you have any evidence of this ?

Because I watched the entire event ... as it unfolded.

Not even Trump's media says that anyone was ... "breaking down the barriers and being violent, beating people in the streets ... "

Even they know that you can't argue with a video recording ...
Given the claims we've heard in this thread, don't be surprised that some will fall for anything Donald claims.
 
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One question? Why would PEACEFUL protestors not disperse when lawfully ordered to do so?

Do you actually abide by Ephesians 1:16-19? If you abided by v17 and v18, why isn't your heart open to wisdom?

The first thing you did is try to apologize for law enforcement, now even ascertain whether the OP was correct. Is it hard for you to see black people as humans?

What would you do if your family and friends protested peacefully, and agent provocateurs and the same law enforcement that terrorized people that look like you uses gas to disperse your mission? You don't have to be black to empathize; you just have to see them as humans (not 3/5 human).
 
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Here's your peace:


Protesters start fires near the White House, police fire tear gas into crowd


Retired police captain shot to death at St. Louis pawn shop in slaying caught on Facebook Live

^^^ hate black men too do you? Think they should die for trying to protect a business?

Not even infants are safe from the insanity you promote:

Protesters on Falmouth bridge target family with child, CS gas deployed

You all make me nothing but sick...

Yeah this is a much easier to believe than police firing tear gas at “peaceful protestors” So many people are blinded by their hatred for Trump it’s no wonder they can’t see anything beyond that hatred. This is a clear example of people ignoring common sense for the sake of attacking him any way they can with no discernment at all. If a meteor falls from the sky they want to blame Trump for it, it’s ridiculous.
 
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I am not a big 2nd amendment fan, I think the amendment needs to be modified to reflect 21st century’s society.

Having said that, if I am not mistaken you believe in 2nd amendment. But your post contradicts completely what 2nd amendment stands for. If you truly believe you need to be compliance with lawful authority even when the authority is wrong or discriminating you, then 2nd amendment should be abolished. But I know you don’t believe that. So what I get is that you want others “black Americans/ brown Americans” to be compliance with “lawful authority”, but for you , it is a different set of rule. That is exactly why people are protesting, enough of different sets of rules for “ people of color”!


In our society people are "equal under the law".

George Floyd was equal, when the man who killed him was investigated for a crime...

The law cannot address crimes before they happen. If you decided to break into my house and shoot me you would do so, likely with reasonable ease as I don't even lock my doors...

We can seek to make sure police procedure is adequate and that all men are innocent unless guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but there are no thought crimes here. There are only crimes committed.

Being equal under the law means the law is applicable to all citizens and attempts to be fair in all things, and in the case of Mr. Floyd we saw equal under the law in action.

The second ammendment does not need "done away with"... cops cannot be everywhere at all times. People have a right to self defense whether they utilize that right is between them and God.
 
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Do you actually abide by Ephesians 1:16-19? If you abided by v17 and v18, why isn't your heart open to wisdom?

The first thing you did is try to apologize for law enforcement, now even ascertain whether the OP was correct. Is it hard for you to see black people as humans?

What would you do if your family and friends protested peacefully, and agent provocateurs and the same law enforcement that terrorized people that look like you uses gas to disperse your mission? You don't have to be black to empathize; you just have to see them as humans (not 3/5 human).

You are soooooooo gullible.
 
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Yeah this is a much easier to believe than police firing tear gas at “peaceful protestors” So many people are blinded by their hatred for Trump it’s no wonder they can’t see anything beyond that hatred. This is a clear example of people ignoring common sense for the sake of attacking him any way they can with no discernment at all. If a meteor falls from the sky they want to blame Trump for it, it’s ridiculous.
It's easier for you to believe because you have chosen to believe the lies.

Look at the photos/video of Trump holding the Bible as a prop in front of cameras. Take a mental note or two.
Then look at the video you posted, which I have quoted, and see if you can spot where a distortion is taking place. For me, it's obvious as night and day.
 
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It's easier for you to believe because you have chosen to believe the lies.

Look at the photos/video of Trump holding the Bible as a prop in front of cameras. Take a mental note or two.
Then look at the video you posted, which I have quoted, and see if you can spot where a distortion is taking place. For me, it's obvious as night and day.


So you are offended by a planned event to uphold religious liberty in this nation and believe it's evil?

It was the 100th anniversary of Pope John Paul 2 birth. A man who fought AGAINST communism and FOR religious liberty... so the event was planned months in advance in a country THAT HAS ALWAYS prided itself to uphold that liberty that all men should be free to worship however they deem appropriate.

If that offends you I REALLY don't care. That's the only liberty I find worthy to die for.
 
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Wrong day. That was the night before. The clearing out of protesters we're talking about was the next day.

Not even infants are safe from the insanity you promote:

Protesters on Falmouth bridge target family with child, CS gas deployed

Wrong city.

Retired police captain shot to death at St. Louis pawn shop in slaying caught on Facebook Live

^^^ hate black men too do you? Think they should die for trying to protect a business?

Wrong state.

You all make me nothing but sick...

You spread a bunch of half-truths and authoritarian ideals (as well as elsewhere dismissing outright the effects and scope of racism and police abuse in this country) and we're the ones who make you sick?

I found two hours of unedited Reuters footage from Lafayette Park including about a half hour before police charge the protesters. There are no attacks on police aside from a single milk shake thrown onto the grass after the police started moving. There are no visible or audible instructions from the police to leave. The police merely advance their lines over a period of time and then charge through the crowd.


IOW, you're wrong. Your entire perspective of this event is a lie. Basically, what I predicted to @disciple Clint earlier was correct - the police acted without making any attempt to effectively communicate with the crowd.

Yeah this is a much easier to believe than police firing tear gas at “peaceful protestors” So many people are blinded by their hatred for Trump it’s no wonder they can’t see anything beyond that hatred. This is a clear example of people ignoring common sense for the sake of attacking him any way they can with no discernment at all. If a meteor falls from the sky they want to blame Trump for it, it’s ridiculous.

We're not blinding by hatred for Trump. @Hazelelponi posted video from the wrong day. And unless it's your contention that people in a location one day can be punished for the actions of people in the same location the prior day, the police were absolutely the aggressors here.
 
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Wrong day. That was the night before. The clearing out of protesters we're talking about was the next day.



Wrong city.



Wrong state.



You spread a bunch of half-truths and authoritarian ideals (as well as elsewhere dismissing outright the effects and scope of racism and police abuse in this country) and we're the ones who make you sick?

I found two hours of unedited Reuters footage from Lafayette Park including about a half hour before police charge the protesters. There are no attacks on police aside from a single milk shake thrown onto the grass after the police started moving. There are no visible or audible instructions from the police to leave. The police merely advance their lines over a period of time and then charge through the crowd.


IOW, you're wrong. Your entire perspective of this event is a lie. Basically, what I predicted to @disciple Clint earlier was correct - the police acted without making any attempt to effectively communicate with the crowd.



We're not blinding by hatred for Trump. @Hazelelponi posted video from the wrong day. And unless it's your contention that people in a location one day can be punished for the actions of people in the same location the prior day, the police were absolutely the aggressors here.


They all came back the next day and were ohhh so innocent!

Hahaha..

Yeah, not listening to your spin on the truth. The truth is these are crowds of anarchists who stand against freedom and have no respect for life itself.

The SS cleared an area for a planned event the president was to attend, full of people trying to oust the president from office, and would take his life if given half a chance.

This is no place for mobs.
 
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So you are offended by a planned event to uphold religious liberty in this nation and believe it's evil?

It was the 100th anniversary of Pope John Paul 2 birth. A man who fought AGAINST communism and FOR religious liberty... so the event was planned months in advance in a country THAT HAS ALWAYS prided itself to uphold that liberty that all men should be free to worship however they deem appropriate.

If that offends you I REALLY don't care. That's the only liberty I find worthy to die for.

Before you go on talking about how the rest of us make you sick, perhaps you should get your facts straight. While Trump has also faced criticism for his visit to the St John Paul II Shrine, that was not the event at the center of the clearing of Lafayette Park. The clearing of the park was based on his walk to St John's, which, as I've already noted, had not been pre-planned. In fact, these two events didn't happen on the same day. The walk to St John's was Monday while the trip to St John Paul's was Tuesday. Trump walked to St John's, which is across the street from the White House while St John Paul's Shrine is over 4 miles away.
 
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So you are offended by a planned event to uphold religious liberty in this nation and believe it's evil?

It was the 100th anniversary of Pope John Paul 2 birth. A man who fought AGAINST communism and FOR religious liberty... so the event was planned months in advance in a country THAT HAS ALWAYS prided itself to uphold that liberty that all men should be free to worship however they deem appropriate.

If that offends you I REALLY don't care. That's the only liberty I find worthy to die for.
That was a completely separate event that took place yesterday.
You are mixing and matching events, regardless of time or the reality to fit your narrative.
Being untruthful does not help your cause.
 
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I am not a big 2nd amendment fan, I think the amendment needs to be modified to reflect 21st century’s society.

Having said that, if I am not mistaken you believe in 2nd amendment. But your post contradicts completely what 2nd amendment stands for. If you truly believe you need to be compliance with lawful authority even when the authority is wrong or discriminating you, then 2nd amendment should be abolished. But I know you don’t believe that. So what I get is that you want others “black Americans/ brown Americans” to be compliance with “lawful authority”, but for you , it is a different set of rule. That is exactly why people are protesting, enough of different sets of rules for “ people of color”!

The entire mess about Floyd’s murder being racial is an assumption. Why was is considered to be a racial hate crime, because the officer was white? There were no racial remarks reported during the arrest. The truth is people love to inflate the situation so they can justify acting like an idiot. People don’t want to see the truth they want an excuse to justify their desire to act out in violence. Now the entire police force is being accused of racism when it’s composed of a variety of races. Their not all white, but nobody wants to stop and think about that, no they’d rather use the EXACT SAME FORM OF BIGOTRY they claim to be a victim of by falsely accusing and condemning the entire police force based on the actions of 4 men. WAKE UP PEOPLE, judge individuals by their actions and stop stereotyping the entire group based on the actions of a few bad seeds.
 
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They all came back the next day and were ohhh so innocent!

Hahaha..

Yeah, not listening to your spin on the truth. The truth is these are crowds of anarchists who stand against freedom and have no respect for life itself.

The SS cleared an area for a planned event the president was to attend, full of people trying to oust the president from office, and would take his life if given half a chance.

This is no place for mobs.

Not listening to my spin, eh? I gave you video. I pointed out that you don't even have the basic facts right - you don't even know what the event was or when it happened. You've gotten everything mixed up, and now that you've been corrected, you're ignoring truth for the sake of feeding your own biases. Over here, we call that lying.
 
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In fact, these two events didn't happen on the same day. The walk to St John's was Monday while the trip to St John Paul's was Tuesday. Trump walked to St John's, which is across the street from the White House while St John Paul's Shrine is over 4 miles away.
Semi-random aside, but I wonder if Trump has walked four miles straight in his entire life. I strongly doubt it.
 
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Semi-random aside, but I wonder if Trump has walked four miles straight in his entire life. I strongly doubt it.

If God had wanted Trump to walk 4 miles, He wouldn't have created golf carts.
 
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This was a planned event (planned for months) to show unity around the premise of religious liberty, something Pope John Paul 2 fought for in his life. This was the 100th anniversary of his birth I believe.
Why would Trump plan a trip to an Episcopal church to celebrate the life of a Roman Catholic pope?
 
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So you are offended by a planned event to uphold religious liberty in this nation and believe it's evil?

It was the 100th anniversary of Pope John Paul 2 birth. A man who fought AGAINST communism and FOR religious liberty... so the event was planned months in advance in a country THAT HAS ALWAYS prided itself to uphold that liberty that all men should be free to worship however they deem appropriate.

If that offends you I REALLY don't care. That's the only liberty I find worthy to die for.

How planned could it have been when the Secretary of Defense Esper (who was there) denies knowing what was going on?

Defense Secretary Mark Esper says he was given no notice before President Donald Trump led him and other senior administration officials to St. John's Episcopal Church for a widely criticized photo opportunity.

"I thought I was going to do two things: to see some damage and to talk to the troops," Esper said Tuesday night in an exclusive interview with NBC News.

Esper said he believed they were going to observe the vandalized bathroom in Lafayette Square, which is near the church.

"I didn't know where I was going," Esper said. "I wanted to see how much damage actually happened."

A Pentagon spokesman later told NBC News that Esper was aware the church was one of the locations where he would be viewing damage. The spokesman reiterated that Esper didn't know the president was going to use it as a photo opportunity.

Esper on Trump church photo-op: I thought we were going to ‘talk to the troops’
 
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Why would Trump plan a trip to an Episcopal church to celebrate the life of a Roman Catholic pope?

I wouldn't presume he knows the difference, but in actually it wasn't planned at all.
 
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