Police Disperse Peaceful Protesters With Tear Gas for Trump's Bible Photo-Op

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If any president was going to walk to a cathedral on the street they would clear the way. They don't want to move, well they gotta move em. It all looks pretty simple to me. You can be sure the whole place was staked out too, as it would be for any president.
 
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Absolutely. It's showing the true colours of so-called Christians. This, once again, demonstrates why the majority of 'Christians' are not saved. It even says so in the bible, the many and the few.

In all fairness, submission and obedience are considered virtues. Perhaps Donald strikes a chord?
 
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Where does this idea come from that a lawful order needs to be debated? There are two options when a police officer orders you to do something, compliance or arrest.

I'm asking why the order was lawful.
 
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Where does this idea come from that a lawful order needs to be debated? There are two options when a police officer orders you to do something, compliance or arrest.

The key term here is "lawful". If a police officer orders you to jump off a tall bridge to your death, it's not lawful. If the police officer's order violates the Constitution, then it's not lawful.
 
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The key term here is "lawful". If a police officer orders you to jump off a tall bridge to your death, it's not lawful. If the police officer's order violates the Constitution, then it's not lawful.
That would be an issue for the court, in the mean time it is to be considered a lawful order.
 
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The vast majority of evangelicals will vote to re-elect the president. If Trump is "more like a dictator", you must understand that his Christian base strongly supports him, and was critical in electing him. Almost every action by the president has at least 80% support from his base.

So why is Trump showing signs of a dictator? Because he wants to stop stores being broken into, buildings burned and looting taking place? Even if the President declared martial law or the Governor of certain states did even that wouldn't make them dictators. The signs that make one truly look like a dictator would be a push to federalize EVERYTHING. President Trump has always for the most part went the other direction from this! The Democrats on the other hand....not so much.
 
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Matters not, an order to leave the area is adequate, orders do not have to be explained. It is not a debate it is crowd control.

Americans don’t follow authority like sheep. May be that is what they do in N.K. but not in America. And if Police can’t respect that, and force power .. well you can see what is happening on the street of America ..
 
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Well if and when a police officer tells you to slow down to 30 because we have an emergency situation ahead of you, I would suggest you not tell him what the speed limit is. Simply when a police officer tells you to do something, you can be certain that it is a lawful order and that you can and likely will be arrested if you elect to fail to comply.
What I'm reading is when the executive branch makes up rules, they need to be followed or else.

Wonder if that applies to things like, say, governors who request people don't go to churches during a global pandemic.
 
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If any president was going to walk to a cathedral on the street they would clear the way. They don't want to move, well they gotta move em. It all looks pretty simple to me. You can be sure the whole place was staked out too, as it would be for any president.

Any other President would not have used a church and the Bible as blatant props.
 
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So why is Trump showing signs of a dictator? Because he wants to stop stores being broken into, buildings burned and looting taking place? Even if the President declared martial law or the Governor of certain states did even that wouldn't make them dictators. The signs that make one truly look like a dictator would be a push to federalize EVERYTHING. President Trump has always for the most part went the other direction from this! The Democrats on the other hand....not so much.

Oh yea, let's wait until he's gone full-blown dictator before we stand up to him.
 
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....and this was the scene in Phoenix last night -- this is what de-escalation and real leadership looks like..


Moments before the curfew was set to begin, a line of police in riot gear stood in front of a crowd of about 100 protesters near Sixth and Adams streets. An armored vehicle approached and a police message rang out over loudspeakers warning the crowd that the curfew was approaching.

An unidentified young woman with a megaphone stepped up and began talking to the protesters.

"I'm asking you in this small group right now what they can do to concede for you guys to go home. I have a brave young man right here that has suggested that if at least one officer takes a knee with us, I can get all of these children home safe. Do you guys agree?" she asked, and the crowd replied "yes!"

She asked how many officers it would take — three? five? — and then turned to an officer and talked to him as the curfew warning played in English and Spanish over a loudspeaker.

At least three officer kneeled, and the crowd began applauding and cheering. People said "thank you" and began chanting "take a knee!"

"They have now fulfilled your demands," the woman said, and the crowd dispersed.

"It was an incredible moment and I’m so lucky I got to watch it live. Just 3 minutes till curfew and everyone peacefully went home," Ashley Cuber, who said she attended the protest as a medic, told The Arizona Republic.

Across downtown Phoenix, crowds dispersed at 8 p.m. There was little police presence in the street and no early reports of arrests.

Just before 8:15 p.m. the Phoenix Police Department tweeted that Phoenix Police Chief Jeri Williams was praising the moment.

“Images like these reflect our willingness to listen and work toward solutions," Williams said in the tweet.

Live updates: Officers take a knee and crowd disperses at curfew
 
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Because they were not lawfully ordered.

Orders from Strong and popular elected Republican Leaders MUST be obeyed or you get the hose, gas, and dogs.

Orders from Democrat Governors who were likely elected by voter fraud must be disobeyed and challenged by armed American patriots with flags.
 
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Ordering peaceful protestors to disperse on whim is a violation of 1st Amendment rights.

The 1st Amendment only applies to Armed Republican 2nd Amendment supporters.
 
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That would be an issue for the court, in the mean time it is to be considered a lawful order.

So if a police officer ordered you to jump off a bridge to your death, you'd consider it to be a lawful order and obediently do it?

Interesting.
 
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...so from accounts I have been reading, at no time did the D.C. police (or the Attorney General for that matter) order the protestors to disperse. If fact, the curfew was not yet in effect. And even if there was an announcement, tactically, there's no reason why the police would act prior to the curfew expriation, unless, of course, a president wanted a photo op.

The action began less than an hour before the District’s curfew, and in the moments before Trump was set to speak. Just after 6 p.m., hundreds of protesters were gathered on H Street NW, facing Lafayette Square. Though members of the National Guard — wielding shields that said “Military Police” — were lined up behind barricades, along with Secret Service and other law enforcement officers, the protesters remained peaceful. Several played music, and one painted on an easel.

But shortly thereafter, Attorney General William P. Barr visited the scene, and, about 6:30 p.m., the National Guard moved just yards from the protesters, prompting some screams. Some protesters threw water bottles, but many simply stood with their arms raised.

Then, the chaos began.

Members of the National Guard knelt briefly to put on gas masks, before suddenly charging eastward down H street, pushing protesters down toward 17th Street. Authorities shoved protesters down with their shields, fired rubber bullets directly at them, released tear gas and set off flash-bang shells in the middle of the crowd.


Protesters began running, many still with their hands up, shouting, “Don’t shoot.” Others were vomiting, coughing and crying.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0f7b50-a46c-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html
 
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Any other President would not have used a church and the Bible as blatant props.
And ? The crowd still needs to be moved. A president walking to a church with a bible, photo op or not, doesn't exactly equate him to the next Saddam Hussein in my view..
 
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And ? The crowd still needs to be moved. A president walking to a church with a bible, photo op or not, doesn't exactly equate him to the next Saddam Hussein in my view..

You set the bar high I see.

Why did the crowd need to be moved? The curfew was not yet in effect.
 
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