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(it's not as linear as this appears. You can support cops and rioters both. I think this is the same error as racism, a dichotomy. You can only support BLM or COPS, you can't support both. That is where you get in trouble guys. Really think about why they are protesting. Can a cop just shoot whoever he wants or should there be accountability? It's a rage against the system, big brother. A cop is just a sign of the larger government hindering rights, to the rioter. So the point is this.....focus on the bad AND the good. I have posted repeatedly all year long about how cops are diving in frozen lakes to save deer, or playing basketball with a young boy who was passing the ball to himself without anyone to play. There are lots of positive video's out there on the good people too. So again don't be so bipartisan on this matter. Similarly (but on another topic) It's easy to get all bowed up when your president says all illegals are criminals. And that keeping out illegals will reduce crime. The point is that the illegals don't have employment and have to resort to illegal activities to feed their family. Provide work for them. They are going to immigrate whether you build a wall or make it illegal or whatever, they will find a way to come. And why should we hinder that? I mean if you were poor and mexican, and you could get a better life by making a dangerous journey where you could be trafficked or kidnapped, but you do it to provide for your family....if that is okay to do, why is immigration wrong? Remember when pilgrims immigrated to america, it was the indians that were gracious and allowed them to stay. Eventually the pilgrims grew in number and the indians thought of it as a threat. And wars started. But what I am saying is immigration will happen. Just as it was natural that pilgrims immigrated to america, mexicans will immigrate in time. America will have immigration from canada and from china as well. That is just part of having a successful country. Can we afford it? Not really. But I personally believe if we are gracious and don't make the same mistake as before, and war over it. Just accept that immigration happens. Should we limit it? Perhaps, but I don't think building a wall to keep poor people out is what JEsus would do. I just don't see it. So it was all these thoughts and more that made me realize that I am not really a far right republican. I am a moderate. But it also made me realize that I was sort of racist towards immigrants, and I sort of think Trump's rhetoric regarding immigrants is hateful and racist. If I didn't have those exact same thoughts just two years ago, I wouldn't notice it. But I saw it in myself when I had a vision and God told me that immigration was good. I didn't know why he said that. Until later, as He opened my heart to accept other races. Believe me if I could take in all the immigrants and feed them I would, I would pile them in my back yard, on cots, or whatever. I have a genuine love for them, and when you love them how could you refuse to help them. Not wanting to help them is just indicative you don't love them, and it is that same hatred that fuels racism. I don't think they should get welfare, I think they need to work for food like everyone, they will have more fulfillment in life with that anyway.

(this is sort of like the other thread on racism, but not really about the current events of the riots, so I made another thread. Also, sorry to be so political for the ethics thread, I was saying that my particular politics was a source of racism, which is an ethical issue).
 
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I support well-trained police officers. I do not support the dragging of a individual who is calling out "I can't feel my legs". Dah- need a C collar. A police officer should never apply pressure to one's neck with their knee. This can cause paralysis or death.I also do not support people who set the courthouse on fire or break in and loot stores. This is not a simple issue.
 
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View attachment 278004 (it's not as linear as this appears. You can support cops and rioters both. I think this is the same error as racism, a dichotomy. You can only support BLM or COPS, you can't support both. That is where you get in trouble guys. Really think about why they are protesting. Can a cop just shoot whoever he wants or should there be accountability? It's a rage against the system, big brother. A cop is just a sign of the larger government hindering rights, to the rioter. So the point is this.....focus on the bad AND the good. I have posted repeatedly all year long about how cops are diving in frozen lakes to save deer, or playing basketball with a young boy who was passing the ball to himself without anyone to play. There are lots of positive video's out there on the good people too. So again don't be so bipartisan on this matter. Similarly (but on another topic) It's easy to get all bowed up when your president says all illegals are criminals. And that keeping out illegals will reduce crime. The point is that the illegals don't have employment and have to resort to illegal activities to feed their family. Provide work for them. They are going to immigrate whether you build a wall or make it illegal or whatever, they will find a way to come. And why should we hinder that? I mean if you were poor and mexican, and you could get a better life by making a dangerous journey where you could be trafficked or kidnapped, but you do it to provide for your family....if that is okay to do, why is immigration wrong? Remember when pilgrims immigrated to america, it was the indians that were gracious and allowed them to stay. Eventually the pilgrims grew in number and the indians thought of it as a threat. And wars started. But what I am saying is immigration will happen. Just as it was natural that pilgrims immigrated to america, mexicans will immigrate in time. America will have immigration from canada and from china as well. That is just part of having a successful country. Can we afford it? Not really. But I personally believe if we are gracious and don't make the same mistake as before, and war over it. Just accept that immigration happens. Should we limit it? Perhaps, but I don't think building a wall to keep poor people out is what JEsus would do. I just don't see it. So it was all these thoughts and more that made me realize that I am not really a far right republican. I am a moderate. But it also made me realize that I was sort of racist towards immigrants, and I sort of think Trump's rhetoric regarding immigrants is hateful and racist. If I didn't have those exact same thoughts just two years ago, I wouldn't notice it. But I saw it in myself when I had a vision and God told me that immigration was good. I didn't know why he said that. Until later, as He opened my heart to accept other races. Believe me if I could take in all the immigrants and feed them I would, I would pile them in my back yard, on cots, or whatever. I have a genuine love for them, and when you love them how could you refuse to help them. Not wanting to help them is just indicative you don't love them, and it is that same hatred that fuels racism. I don't think they should get welfare, I think they need to work for food like everyone, they will have more fulfillment in life with that anyway.

(this is sort of like the other thread on racism, but not really about the current events of the riots, so I made another thread).
Rioting and wall-hopping are illegal and harmful to the community.
Protesting and applying for a green card are not.
 
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I support well-trained police officers. I do not support the dragging of a individual who is calling out "I can't feel my legs". Dah- need a C collar. A police officer should never apply pressure to one's neck with their knee. This can cause paralysis or death.I also do not support people who set the courthouse on fire or break in and loot stores. This is not a simple issue.

I will not follow you until you can see both sides and come up with a solution.

Rioting and wall-hopping are illegal and harmful to the community.
Protesting and applying for a green card are not.

I can see you guys are heated. I am just saying that we should love better. Dig deep. Find those thoughts of unlove, and unacceptance and rid our heart of those feelings. We all have them. But it's the Godly who forsake sin and repent. That is the only difference....

My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. I John 3:18

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I can see you guys are heated. I am just saying that we should love better. Dig deep. Find those thoughts of unlove, and unacceptance and rid our heart of those feelings. We all have them. But it's the Godly who forsake sin and repent. That is the only difference....

My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. I John 3:18

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Sympathize, yes. Support their illegal action, no. The loving thing to do is to encourage them to do what is right. They need to do what God wants and trust Him for the outcome.
 
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Sympathize, yes. Support their illegal action, no. The loving thing to do is to encourage them to do what is right. They need to do what God wants and trust Him for the outcome.
it's more than sympathize sir. It's empathize. The image in the OP mentions supporting protestors OR supporting police. And I am saying that it's not a bipartisan issue. You can support both good protestors and good police, and you can be against both bad cops and bad protestors. It's not one or the other . That is what I was saying. I think people get polarized toward the opposite party and this causes hatred. Again Jesus loves those people we hate, even if we don't. So it's important to also love them as He does.
 
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I actually agree with you. I support GOOD police officers and do not support rioters. However, not all police officers are good or well-trained. Rioters are out of control and need to learn anger management. I support peaceful protest. You are right, I am very impassioned about the events of late and believe black people are often treated in a different manner (worse) than are people with light skin color. I am an elderly white woman and have several black friends. I believe education is part of the answer and reaching out to people who are different from ourselves is another part of the answer.
 
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I actually agree with you. I support GOOD police officers and do not support rioters. However, not all police officers are good or well-trained. Rioters are out of control and need to learn anger management. I support peaceful protest. You are right, I am very impassioned about the events of late and believe black people are often treated in a different manner (worse) than are people with light skin color. I am an elderly white woman and have several black friends. I believe education is part of the answer and reaching out to people who are different from ourselves is another part of the answer.
well again we can't say that abortion should be protested, but then black brutality via police, should not be. It's important if you view legal protest as a constitutional right, that we are consistent with it. If it's right for one group, it's right for all groups. It is actually okay to peacefully protest, if they don't get their frustration out, then that is when it can turn violent. And we don't want that.
 
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it's more than sympathize sir. It's empathize. The image in the OP mentions supporting protestors OR supporting police. And I am saying that it's not a bipartisan issue. You can support both good protestors and good police, and you can be against both bad cops and bad protestors. It's not one or the other . That is what I was saying. I think people get polarized toward the opposite party and this causes hatred. Again Jesus loves those people we hate, even if we don't. So it's important to also love them as He does.
We need to see examples of good police then. Meaning a cop intervening and STOPPING another cop who is kicking, beating, or killing a citizen. And we need to see in the news that cops are not just fired but arrested for assaulting civilians. But I’ve watched countless videos of cops abusing people, watched it first hand, and they all do it together or stand by doing nothing. Where are the cops arresting other cops when they act up?
 
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Rioting and wall-hopping are illegal and harmful to the community.
Protesting and applying for a green card are not.

If protests are to be peaceful they shouldn't be advertised in advance, that will keep the hooligans from causing trouble.
 
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We need to see examples of good police then. Meaning a cop intervening and STOPPING another cop who is kicking, beating, or killing a citizen. And we need to see in the news that cops are not just fired but arrested for assaulting civilians. But I’ve watched countless videos of cops abusing people, watched it first hand, and they all do it together or stand by doing nothing. Where are the cops arresting other cops when they act up?

The one who steps up will be in trouble, not the abuser.
 
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The solution to police violence against blacks, or anyone, is to obey the police orders and be polite and non threatening. That can be difficult for some, but it might save their life.
 
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The one who steps up will be in trouble, not the abuser.
That would change if whistleblowers came forward. Instead they go along with corruption and abuse of power. Murder. When your boss tells you to do something grossly unethical, you refuse or you quit. Otherwise you’re complicit.
 
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That would change if whistleblowers came forward. Instead they go along with corruption and abuse of power. Murder. When your boss tells you to do something grossly unethical, you refuse or you quit. Otherwise you’re complicit.

I'm not sure if the other three cops knew the severity of abuse being applied to Mr. Floyd. There were out of view of his head and neck, and might not even have heard his pleas.
 
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We need to see examples of good police then. Meaning a cop intervening and STOPPING another cop who is kicking, beating, or killing a citizen. And we need to see in the news that cops are not just fired but arrested for assaulting civilians. But I’ve watched countless videos of cops abusing people, watched it first hand, and they all do it together or stand by doing nothing. Where are the cops arresting other cops when they act up?
yes, but most of the time private rebuke is better than just yelling at a coworker, if you know what I mean. If I was a cop, I would hope I would step up and say the right thing at the right time, but if a cop is violent all the time, I would probably rebuke him privately and not in front of others. I think responsible leadership does that. If you were wrong would you want someone in a crowd to yell at you, or would you want to be taken aside in private and rebuked. So again just because there were people standing by idle does not mean he didn't get rebuked later. But I have lots of videos of nice police. Do a you tube search of 'police dive in frozen lake' or 'police plays ball with kid.' or I saw one where a 'police danced with girl in wheel chair at dance.' They are around, it's just that good news does not get reported because bad news sells subscriptions.

Here is one I just saw today:
James Woods on Twitter
 
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I'm not sure if the other three cops knew the severity of abuse being applied to Mr. Floyd. There were out of view of his head and neck, and might not even have heard his pleas.
Ok you’re exposing yourself as willfully ignorant here. The other police officers were closer to George than the phone that recorded his pleas. Bystanders were also alerting the other officers to his pleas. Anyone who watches the video can see and hear that clearly.
 
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yes, but most of the time private rebuke is better than just yelling at a coworker, if you know what I mean. If I was a cop, I would hope I would step up and say the right thing at the right time, but if a cop is violent all the time, I would probably rebuke him privately and not in front of others. I think responsible leadership does that. If you were wrong would you want someone in a crowd to yell at you, or would you want to be taken aside in private and rebuked. So again just because there were people standing by idle does not mean he didn't get rebuked later. But I have lots of videos of nice police. Do a you tube search of 'police dive in frozen lake' or 'police plays ball with kid.' or I saw one where a 'police danced with girl in wheel chair at dance.' They are around, it's just that good news does not get reported because bad news sells subscriptions.

Here is one I just saw today:
James Woods on Twitter
I’m fine with private rebuke. If that were happening, we wouldn’t be where we are today. Bad police officers would be privately fired, and privately charged. Then the public would see them go to jail with other criminals. But because of the “thin Blue line,” Officers can’t report each other without consequences. This means that the police force is corrupt. Anyone associated with a corrupt organization that doesn’t fight the corruption is contributing to it. Police officers do “good” things all the time, like you cite. But they are still corrupt if they don’t fight the corruption in the forces, by reporting bad behavior even if it costs them their job. That’s what we expect from all civil servants.
 
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I’m fine with private rebuke. If that were happening, we wouldn’t be where we are today. Bad police officers would be privately fired, and privately charged. Then the public would see them go to jail with other criminals. But because of the “thin Blue line,” Officers can’t report each other without consequences. This means that the police force is corrupt. Anyone associated with a corrupt organization that doesn’t fight the corruption is contributing to it. Police officers do “good” things all the time, like you cite. But they are still corrupt if they don’t fight the corruption in the forces, by reporting bad behavior even if it costs them their job. That’s what we expect from all civil servants.
It could be so, I don't know enough of the police by laws to say one way or another. But I am sure they have some type of whistle blower protection, and if they don't, they should. But that would be something to bring up with petitions to a congressman. But I am not convinced they don't have such laws. But just because the laws are there to protect them does not mean they utilize those laws. I am in a union, and there are protections that our employees don't even use. That could help both the workers and the company, but they just don't know about them. And some of them do know about them and still don't use them. So again it is hard to say that the protections of whistle blowers are not there. But ultimately it's hard to say the whole police force is corrupt. Now there is a code that police officers have, and it's the same as with soldiers, when you serve along someone who actually protects your life, or in fact, saves your life. You tend to protect them too, as a courteousy, and as a code of ethics. But typical blue collar workers would not understand this code because to be honest we don't need to depend on one another in such ways. Unless one has had military background. But anyway I am not saying they are or are not corrupt, I am just saying that officers protect their own. They are a team. But that is not to say that if someone is excessively violent that others won't take notice and report it. Again check out this anonymous survey of police officers regarding excessive use of force:
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read the rest of the article here:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/181312.pdf

here is another article that talks about citizens filing a complaint if they believe a police officer has used excessive force, I assume other officers can do this as well toward other officers:

Addressing Police Misconduct Laws Enforced By The Department Of Justice
 
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