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For those that are interested in real science instead of conspiracy theories mixed with word salad here is why IR is absorbed by CO₂ which is central to the greenhouse effect.


A more advanced explanation is given in this video.

 
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I'm telling you exactly how CO2 operates on the heatwave why is that a "slogan".

Because it's a soundbite. You come in, spout of a single sentence with no supporting evidence whatsoever and think you've made some kind of point. Meanwhile, you refuse utterly to respond to any of the responses that people make. You aren't interested in discussion. You just want a soapbox from which to send your claims out into the world. Now people are demanding evidence that your claims are correct, and you ignore them.
 
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Greatcloudlives, you are in the miniscule minority. You and the denialists can't win, and you will not win, which is good. Science that has the consensus seeing it will be shown right.

When we see climate changing, we don't automatically jump on the human bandwagon, case closed. No, we rigorously examine and test all other reasons why climate could be changing: the sun, volcanoes, natural cycles, even something we don't know yet: could they be responsible?

Could it be the sun? No: the sun's energy has been going down at the very time that the average temperature of the planet continues to rise. Sun & climate: moving in opposite directions No, even a Grand Minimum wouldn't save us. What if the Sun went into a new Grand Minimum?

Could it be volcanoes? No: though a big eruption emits a lot of soot and particulates, these temporarily cool the planet. On average, all geologic activity, put together, emits only about 10% of the heat-trapping gases that humans do. Error - Cookies Turned Off

Could it be orbital cycles? Are we just getting warmer after the last ice age? No: warming from the last ice age peaked 1000s of yrs ago, and the next event on our geologic calendar was another ice age: was, until the industrial revolution, that is. https://people.clas.ufl.edu/jetc/files/Tzedakis-et-al-2012.pdf

Could it be natural cycles internal to the climate system, like El Nino? No: those cycles simply move heat around the climate system, mostly back and forth between the atmosphere and ocean. They cannot CREATE heat. So if they were responsible for atmospheric warming, then the heat content of another part of the climate system wd have to be going down, while the heat content of the atmosphere was going up. Is this what we see? No: heat content is increasing across the entire climate system, ocean most of all! Nuccitelli et al 2012 Total Heat Content

Could it be cosmic rays? No. Cosmic Rays and Climate moving in opposite directions

How about the magnetic pole moving? Planet Niribu? Geoengineering? What about an unknown factor we don't know about yet? No. https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00645.1

It has been known since the work of John Tyndall in the 1850s that CO2 absorbs and re-radiates infrared energy, and Eunice Foote was the first to suggest that higher CO2 levels would lead to a warmer planet, in 1856. No one has been able to explain how increasing levels of CO2, CH4 and other heat-trapping gases would not raise the temperature of the planet. Yet that must be done first, if we are to consider any other sources as "dominant". Moreover, when Rasmus Benestad and other scientists examined dozens of published papers claiming to minimize or eliminate the human role in climate change, they found errors in every single one. Here’s what happens when you try to replicate climate contrarian papers | Dana Nuccitelli

Explaining how the water vapor greenhouse effect works

If you don't think humans are the dominant source of warming, you are making a statement that does not have a single factual or scientific leg to stand on. Yet leaders of science agencies are saying exactly that today. This is the world we live in.


Thanks to Katharine Hayhoe.
 
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Greatcloudlives, you are in the miniscule minority.

Sorry Fred, this is false. More and more people that I talk to are waking up to the farce of the "man made climate change". More are seeing that nothing that Gore warned about has come to fruition.
More are seeing that it's cyclic and the scaremongering is a money grab.

You and the denialists can't win, and you will not win, which is good.
Sorry, it's not a game that one wins or loses.. It's a farce which gets exposed and then ignored.

Science that has the consensus seeing it will be shown right.

Although there is great effort to hide the truth.. you are right... Science will be shown to be right.. and the farce of man made climate change will be exposed by truthful science that everyone will be able to see as the oceans don't rise and we don't flood New York.... and the polar bears are increasing in numbers.

CO2 is not pollution
 
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Sorry Fred, this is false. More and more people that I talk to are waking up to the farce of the "man made climate change".

Are those people climate scientists? Because if they are not, then I don't think that their opinions about it actually matter all that much.
 
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Are those people climate scientists? Because if they are not, then I don't think that their opinions about it actually matter all that much.
Yes.. they are.. But, you have to search for them because the last thing main stream wants you to see is what they have to say.

One was the founder of the Weather Network.

Then this:


 
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Yes.. they are.. But, you have to search for them because the last thing main stream wants you to see is what they have to say.

One was the founder of the Weather Network.

Then this:



This should be in the conspiracy subforum.
 
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Yes.. they are.. But, you have to search for them because the last thing main stream wants you to see is what they have to say.

One was the founder of the Weather Network.

Then this:



So you talk to the founder of the Weather Network? Are you good personal friends or just passing acquaintances?

And who cares what John Coleman thinks about climate change anyway? He may have founded the Weather Channel, but he has no education in any field relevant to the topic, he cited the OISM petition against climate change, which has been discredited by climate researchers because it can be signed by anyone with a college degree and includes signatures of very few climate scientists (many of whom have since changed their views on it. (Source) It also includes signatures of fictional characters, and the Spice Girls. (Source)

In any case, John Coleman was forced out of the Weather Channel back in 1983, and the Weather Channel itself acknowledges the sheer mountain of evidence supporting the link between human activity and climate change.

Coleman is a conspiracy theorist and his views about climate change are less than worthless.

The vast majority of climate scientists agree that humans are contributing significantly to climate change.
 
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So you talk to the founder of the Weather Network? Are you good personal friends or just passing acquaintances?

Are we going to be foolish here? Seriously?

Do you have a personal relationship or friendship with any of the scientists that promote the fake "Man made climate change" hoax..

Come on now.. That is of no merit.

And who cares what John Coleman thinks about climate change anyway? He may have founded the Weather Channel, but he has no education in any field relevant to the topic, he cited the OISM petition against climate change, which has been discredited by climate researchers because it can be signed by anyone with a college degree and includes signatures of very few climate scientists (many of whom have since changed their views on it. (Source) It also includes signatures of fictional characters, and the Spice Girls. (Source)

This is so typical..."Who cares what someone says" especially if they state that the "man made" climate change is fabricated. Just believe all the others who promote it.

This is "selective" belief. Just because they don't have the letters after their name that "you" require.. does not make what they say any less truthful.

In any case, John Coleman was forced out of the Weather Channel back in 1983, and the Weather Channel itself acknowledges the sheer mountain of evidence supporting the link between human activity and climate change.

Coleman is a conspiracy theorist and his views about climate change are less than worthless.
So, just keep pounding away at your dislike for anything John Coleman says.

The vast majority of climate scientists agree that humans are contributing significantly to climate change.

Truth... is not a democracy... 1,000,000 people can swear that one thing is truth... and all be wrong..

Just because many say something does not make it true.

My government in Canada presented a report and they deleted data from 1850 to 1949 in order to make their model say what they wanted or needed it to say... That's what hoaxers do.

GOLDSTEIN: Feds scrapped 100 years of data on climate change

The "hockey stick graph" is also bogus.

Climate change hoax collapses as Michael Mann’s bogus “hockey stick” graph defamation lawsuit dismissed by the Supreme Court of British Columbia – "We shall succeed" - Shiv Chopra

Maybe you'll listen to this person. If you don't have the patience to research truth.. just go to the 8:50 mark and listen for a bit.

One person that I did have a great personal relationship with was my Dad. A strong Christian. Born in 1929 and died just this January from cancer. A very intelligent man with a sharp mind to the end.

In his words, this warming is not even close to the heat of the 1930's and 40's.

But take a look at this:

 
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This should be in the conspiracy subforum.
A while back... I would have accepted that.. However, there is so much more evidence that the "man made" climate change is a hoax.. I think that this is no longer a conspiracy theory..

Unless of course the man made belief is a conspiracy to get money from my pocket and your pocket into the pockets of those billionaires like Al Gore.. Who's big "nothing burger" climate hoax propaganda film was a prophesy that came up as being totally bogus.

So much so that they had to recruit Gretta, a young girl with a disability so that nobody dare speak against her lest they be deemed a bully.
 
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A while back... I would have accepted that.. However, there is so much more evidence that the "man made" climate change is a hoax.. I think that this is no longer a conspiracy theory..

Unless of course the man made belief is a conspiracy to get money from my pocket and your pocket into the pockets of those billionaires like Al Gore.. Who's big "nothing burger" climate hoax propaganda film was a prophesy that came up as being totally bogus.

So much so that they had to recruit Gretta, a young girl with a disability so that nobody dare speak against her lest they be deemed a bully.

...

Wear your tinfoil.
 
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