Was Ceremonial Law Abolished?

[not under law]

That is an interesting verse. Here's how the CLV renders it:

(CLV) Ga 5:11
Now I, brethren, if I am still heralding circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? Consequently the snare of the cross of Christ has been nullified.

Which goes to show, it does not matter how plainly something is stated, if you don't want to accept it, it isn't a problem to disregard it.

 

[HARK!]

You have amny points for me to re-address and I will try to find time to do so.
Start with I Corinthians 9:21:
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. --NIV 2011
God's Law here and in this space and time is Christ's Law which is the Good News of the Gospel of Christ.

Not quite, that's why I posted the Greek.

The previous verse uses the word under:

20 And I became to the Jews as a Jew, that I should be gaining Jews; to those under (υπο) law (νομονas) under (υπο)law (νομονas) (not being myself under (υπο) law (νομονas) ), that I should be gaining those under (υπο) law (νομονas) ;

The next verse uses the word in-law.

21 to those without law as without law (not being without God's law, but legally (εννομος) Christ's), that I should be gaining those without law.

Paul chose his words carefully; and made a distinction for a reason.

 

[not under law]

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised,Christ will be of no value to you at all.

I imagine the above can be explained away as well. Nothing is too difficult for the scholarly

 

[not under law]

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[HARK!]

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised,Christ will be of no value to you at all.

I'm a little foggy on the timeline. Was this before or after he circumcised Timothy?

 

[not under law]

I'm a little foggy on the timeline. Was this before or after he circumcised Timothy?

Why don't you just respond to the plain statement?

 

[HARK!]

What is Christ's Law?

He taught it all his life. It's his Father's law, the Torah.

 

[HARK!]

Why don't you just respond to the plain statement?

I did. Either you are calling Paul a hypocrite; or you don't grasp what Paul was saying.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes, the law is the nature of YHWH. If we are sons of YHWH; the law is our nature. We walk in the law; therefore the law is our master, not sin.

What day are you honoring Pesach?

Everyday

The law on stone, or the law written on our hearts?

 

[not under law]

Paul came to Derbe and then to Lystra,where a disciple named TimothyB)' data-cr="#cen- lived, whose mother was Jewish and a believer but whose father was a Greek. 2 The believers at Lystra and IconiumE)' spoke well of him. 3 Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek

Just for the op

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

(CLV) Ja 2:21
Abraham, our father, was he not justified by works when offering up his son Isaac on the altar?

(CLV) Ja 2:22
You are observing that faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith perfected.

(CLV) Ja 2:23
And fulfilled was the scripture which is saying, Now "Abraham believes God, and it is reckoned to him for righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."

A tactic I find utterly fruitless is to quote scripture as if it answers a direct question. I could interpret these verses in any number of ways so I'm not asking you to provide merely scriptural texts. I want your opinion. That you refuse to give it only tells me that you do not want to divulge it. That's up to you, but don't pretend we're having a discussion here.

I think you are ashamed to admit that you believe circumcision makes a faithful persons more justified in the eyes of God. Mainly because of how Paul speaks directly against this idea.

 

[not under law]

I did. Either you are calling Paul a hypocrite; or you don't grasp what Paul was saying.

Paul came to Derbe and then to Lystra,where a disciple named Timothy lived, whose mother was Jewish and a believer but whose father was a Greek. 2 The believers at Lystra and IconiumE)' spoke well of him. 3 Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek

 

[HARK!]

Everyday

Sounds like strange fire to me.

 

[not under law]

How can you have any sort of sensible debate when the plain statements of the bible are cast aside by any means possible, however fanciful

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised,Christ will be of no value to you at all.

 

[not under law]

I did. Either you are calling Paul a hypocrite; or you don't grasp what Paul was saying.

As you seem unable to grasp what is written, Paul did not circumcise Timothy for any other reason than because of the Jews in the area he was going to preach

 

[not under law]

What does the following mean?
Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the cross has been abolished Gal5:11
Paul said in Galatians 5 that if you allow yourself to be circumcised you are obligated to obey the entire law.
What did the Pharisees persecute Jesus about? One of the main reasons, he was ignoring the law
What was a charge cast against the first Christian martyr? He was ignoring the law.
If Paul preached circumcision, according to his own words he is preaching obligation to obey the entire law.
The true offence of the cross is righteousness apart from obeying the law. For it robs man of feeling he has achieved Heaven by what he has done. And this offence can be found in people of many denominations, from one end of the spectrum to the other.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Sounds like strange fire to me.

Not at all, you should know me better than that, friend.

I have just put all the pre-Christ feasts, including the Sabbath, as being fulfilled in Christ. He is who I observe EVERYDAY. Hebrews 4.

 

[eleos1954]

Yahshua said:

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

After Yahshua ascended, James, Yahshua's brother, ordered Paul to make temple sacrifices to prove that he was obedient to the Torah.

(CLV) Ac 21:23
This, then, which we are saying to you, do. With us are four men having a vow on them.

(CLV) Ac 21:24
Taking these along, be purified together with them, and bear their expenses, that they should be shaving their heads, and all will know that what they have been instructed concerning you is nothing, but you also are observing the elements and you yourself are maintaining the law.

Purify G48

ἁγνίζω hagnízō, hag-nid'-zo; from G53; to make clean, i.e. (figuratively) sanctify (ceremonially or morally):—purify (self).


I. ceremonially

A. to make pure, purify, cleanse

II. morally

G48 - hagnizō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

Yes ... the cerimonial laws (ordinances) were done away with ... the attached shows comparison of the laws ... the law (written by Gods own hand) are eternal and have and will always be in effect. Jesus fulfilled ALL law ... and through Him working in the believer (throughout their lifetime on earth) He helps us to keep the 10 ... we will and do stumble here in there .... but He will complete His work in the believer.

Philippians 1:6

New Living Translation
And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

When is good not good? Of course the concept of "saving" is more abstract in the NT. It may involve helping your neighbour to dig a trench.

That is melakha on Shabbat...work. Can that work be done on the other 6 days? If digging the trench has to be done on Shabbat to save a life (pikuakh nefesh) then yes.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised,Christ will be of no value to you at all.

Do you understand what that means? Read the next sentence! "You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."