Florida won't [finally did] release names of nursing homes with positive tests for covid-19

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Feds decline to release list of 147 nursing homes stricken by coronavirus

Two federal agencies, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), have a list of 147 nursing homes where at least one resident has contracted COVID-19. But The Washington Post reports that the agencies are refusing to release this list to the public.

Like playing ‘Russian roulette’: DeSantis won’t say which elder care homes have coronavirus

The state Department of Health said that, as of Monday, 33 Floridians living in a skilled nursing or assisted living facility had tested positive for the coronavirus, the respiratory infection that has become a global scourge. At least three long-term care residents have died from the infection.

But that’s about all health administrators, and Gov. Ron DeSantis, are saying.

For about two weeks, journalists and elder advocates have pressed state leaders to release information about where long-term care residents and staff have been exposed to the extremely contagious infection. The DeSantis administration has alternated between No and Maybe.

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I wouldn't think that patient confidentiality would matter to name the facility. It's possible authorities are trying to prevent some 'rush' of families trying to evacuate their loved ones and causing more spread, but this doesn't inspire confidence.
 

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Information like that is best kept on a "need to know" basis to alleviate panic. The families certainly need to know.

Who is going to panic other than the families?

Will the local townies get their torches and pitchforks together to burn the nursing home down? I'd like to think not.
 
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I wouldn't think that patient confidentiality would matter to name the facility. It's possible authorities are trying to prevent some 'rush' of families trying to evacuate their loved ones and causing more spread, but this doesn't inspire confidence.

To inspire your confidence would be....what....?
 
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Transparency in government.

Like we knew about The Life Care Center in Kirkland, Washington
They are private nursing homes.
So you are asking for transparency from private individuals. All people with the virus should release their conditions to the public and where they reside. This would solve your problem. You should release your medical condition and your day to day schedule to the public. And everywhere you visit, in case we need to back track.
 
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They are private nursing homes.
So you are asking for transparency from private individuals.

Checks title of thread. CDC and Florida governor are not private individuals.

All people with the virus should release their conditions to the public and where they reside.

Checks title of thread. Nursing homes are not private individuals either. I alluded to patient confidentiality. I'm not asking for people to reveal their conditions, or for the authorities to reveal them.
 
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Checks title of thread. CDC and Florida governor are not private individuals.
Checks title of thread. Nursing homes are not private individuals either. I alluded to patient confidentiality. I'm not asking for people to reveal their conditions, or for the authorities to reveal them.
Corporations are legally treated as distinct individual people with certain rights. And they are private. As are all the residents who have not given permission to be revealed.
The governor and cdc may not have permission.
 
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Corporations are legally treated as distinct individual people with certain rights.

I'm pretty sure none of the corporations have COVID-19, so their medical privacy is certainly not an issue.

Look, I think the point your trying to make is tantamount to the CDC saying, "We've discovered that someone has put potassium cyanide in a popular name brand painkiller, but we won't tell you which one, because drug manufacturers are private entities."

As are all the residents who have not given permission to be revealed.

Nobody has asked for that.
 
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I'm pretty sure none of the corporations have COVID-19, so their medical privacy is certainly not an issue.
Look, I think the point your trying to make is tantamount to the CDC saying, "We've discovered that someone has put potassium cyanide in a popular name brand painkiller, but we won't tell you which one, because drug manufacturers are private entities."

No, this is a disease, not a crime, and you have no right to know anything
about sick people or where they live or who is ill.

This has always been true. It's none of your business.
 
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In contrast, LA County continues to update the list of facilities (at bottom of page).

Skilled Nursing Facilities with Confirmed Cases
Dungarvin Handley House (Los Angeles)
Garden Crest Rehabilitation Center (Los Angeles)
Silverado Beverly Place (Los Angeles)
County Villa South Convalescent (Los Angeles)
Lawndale Healthcare Center (Lawndale)
Gardena Convalescent (Gardena)
Kei-Ai South Bay Healthcare Center (Gardena)
Kensington Assisted Living (Redondo Beach)
Belmont Village (Hollywood)
Alameda Care Center (Burbank)
 
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COVID-19 outbreaks are occurring in nursing homes with terrifying speed across the country, with catastrophic potential. One of the first hot spots in the U.S. was at the Life Care Center nursing home in Kirkland, Wash., where two-thirds of the residents and 47 workers fell ill, and 37 people died.

Families with loved ones in nursing homes should seriously consider pulling them out if it’s at all feasible to care for them at home, said Charlene Harrington, professor emeritus at UC San Francisco’s School of Nursing.

“The risk of exposure is so overwhelming,” said Harrington, who has studied nursing homes since the 1980s. “It’s a terrible concern.”
 
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They are private nursing homes.
So you are asking for transparency from private individuals. All people with the virus should release their conditions to the public and where they reside. This would solve your problem. You should release your medical condition and your day to day schedule to the public. And everywhere you visit, in case we need to back track.
Private entities are not exempt from the information that could have an impact on dealing with a public health hazard.
 
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Private entities are not exempt from the information that could have an impact on dealing with a public health hazard.

How would publicizing the name of a nursing home facility have such an impact?
 
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How would publicizing the name of a nursing home facility have such an impact?

The employees that work there are going out into the community. The families might get concerned about why they cannot visit.

If a private chemical plant in your community has a leak of a toxic chemical, do they have any obligation to inform the public?
 
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The employees that work there are going out into the community. The families might get concerned about why they cannot visit.

Are you contending that if the name of the facility is publicized that will prevent the employees from going out into the community and the families will no longer be concerned about why they cannot visit? I find that a dubious proposition.

If a private chemical plant in your community has a leak of a toxic chemical, do they have any obligation to inform the public?

They have an obligation to fix the leak and a legal obligation to inform whatever government agency regulates them that there is a leak. The agency would have the primary responsibility for making sure the public is informed. Of course that is irrelevant to the nursing home situation. The nursing homes are no leaking toxic chemicals and the chemical plant is not filled with sick people that have privacy rights.
 
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Are you contending that if the name of the facility is publicized that will prevent the employees from going out into the community and the families will no longer be concerned about why they cannot visit? I find that a dubious proposition.
SOP for dealing with serious infectious disease is notification of the local Health Department so that anyone that may have had contact can be alerted and assessed and followed up as indicated. Since the Nursing Home has been a source of spread for thousands given what we know about COVID 19, there is no way the authorities can know each individual that has been exposed without alerting the public. Having worked in healthcare for many years, it is beyond irresponsible for this information to be withheld from the public.

Additionally, the Nursing Home is potentially liable for damages if people are permanently harmed because they could reasonably have been known to have been in contact with an infected person. The Nursing Home will not be shielded by the fact the agencies were derelict. The obvious reason for withholding information is PR. Nursing Home lobbies are powerful at the state level.
They have an obligation to fix the leak and a legal obligation to inform whatever government agency regulates them that there is a leak. The agency would have the primary responsibility for making sure the public is informed. Of course that is irrelevant to the nursing home situation. The nursing homes are no leaking toxic chemicals and the chemical plant is not filled with sick people that have privacy rights.
It is my view that the authorities are violating the law to protect commercial interests.

On a positive economic note, the lawyers will have a nice uptick in business.
 
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In related news...

military bases will stop publicly reporting the number of positive cases of the coronavirus at their installations because of a order from the Pentagon.

The nationwide order was announced by the Department of Defense shortly after Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island and Army Basic Training Command at Fort Jackson reported a drastic increase of positive tests in the double digits.

“As we confront this growing crisis, and out of a concern for operational security with regard to readiness, we will not report the aggregate number of individual service member cases at individual unit, base or Combatant Commands,” Defense Press Secretary Alyssa Farah said in a statement Monday night.

On the one hand, this is more clearly justified in the furtherance of national security.
On the other hand, it's not comforting that the outbreak is potentially threatening readiness and security.
 
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