Sounds like US was best prepared for pandemic

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pffft. Obviously, none of us were in the White House meetings. We can, however, judge the President's performance by the lack of results.

Let's take one example:
Respirators

By early February (if not sooner) it was obvious, based on the experience in China, that x number of respirators would needed to support an infected population.

What did the President do?

Ford, 3M, GE and the UAW to build respirators, ventilators and face shields for coronavirus fight – TechCrunch

Should we have done it earlier? Maybe. Was the president advised to do this earlier? Did h refuse to do it earlier? Remember, despite what he says he is NOT the expert on this. And according to what I've read he DOES listen to people on this.

He did fail in his communication effort in the beginning. I do agree with that. But I can't find anything that says, the CDC or the experts told he he needed to take particular actions and he didn't.
 
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Ford, 3M, GE and the UAW to build respirators, ventilators and face shields for coronavirus fight – TechCrunch

Should we have done it earlier? Maybe. Was the president advised to do this earlier? Did h refuse to do it earlier? Remember, despite what he says he is NOT the expert on this. And according to what I've read he DOES listen to people on this.

He did fail in his communication effort in the beginning. I do agree with that. But I can't find anything that says, the CDC or the experts told he he needed to take particular actions and he didn't.

Trump’s failure to use the Defense Production Act is slowing the process of getting more medical equipment produced. Some businesses are switching out of the goodness of their heart, others are not hoping other people make the sacrifice and they won’t have to. Trump enacts DPA and all will be on the same level working to help our country out. Trump’s dragging his feet.
 
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Ford, 3M, GE and the UAW to build respirators, ventilators and face shields for coronavirus fight – TechCrunch

Should we have done it earlier? Maybe. Was the president advised to do this earlier?

Yes.

Cuomo is one of a growing group of officials to call for Trump to order companies to produce medical supplies under the Defense Production Act, a law that allows the federal government to compel private industry to produce materials needed for national defense.

However, it is not clear that the president has done anything.

Trump has issued an executive order that invokes the Defense Production Act, but it’s unclear if it has been used. Trump said last week during a press conference that it had been, but Federal Emergency Management Agency head Peter Gaynor told reporters Sunday that the president has not yet ordered any companies to make more critical supplies.

Did h refuse to do it earlier?

After he issued the EO, he had the power to do it. It's not clear when, if ever, he actually used that power. To that extent, he has refused to do the thing he gave himself the power to do.
 
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The buck does stop at his desk. But if you are president you depend in established plans on procedures. Otherwise why bother having them? You don't build these things in order just to ignore them. So if the plan say to do this or that and you do this or that and it doesn't work it's not the presidents fault.

So my question stands. When did the CDC say, "Mr. President, we need to do this now cause that's the established plan" and the president refused to do it?

If you have proof of this and it was a critical incident then the president failed.

Here is what I was looking for.

Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

He did not follow the NSC playbook.
 
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So you have nothing?

The existence of any contingency plan is a moot point, the rapidly developing situation in China, then Europe, was essentially disregarded by the current administration there for over a month. They didn’t do anything until it was already too late, and they still don’t have any kind of credible or coherent approach. It seems inevitable that the situation in the US is going to go downhill pretty rapidly. Not all Trump’s fault, of course, but he’s more of a hindrance than a help.
 
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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what policies and procedures that we had established that we failed to impliment. In this case what timelines have been set up and we failed to meet them? Still waiting. Monday morning quarterbacking to blame only works for the future. If the plan is to do such and such and to do it at such at such time following such and such steps then we can't fault someone for doing just that.

Until you can show that the plan was not followed it's nothing but hot air and Monday morning quarterbacking.

I laid it out in post #28. You haven't responded.

Waiting for your pathetic excuse to justify Trump continuing to not mobilize the government to get critical supplies and aid.
 
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Ford, 3M, GE and the UAW to build respirators, ventilators and face shields for coronavirus fight – TechCrunch

Should we have done it earlier? Maybe. Was the president advised to do this earlier? Did h refuse to do it earlier? Remember, despite what he says he is NOT the expert on this. And according to what I've read he DOES listen to people on this.

He did fail in his communication effort in the beginning. I do agree with that. But I can't find anything that says, the CDC or the experts told he he needed to take particular actions and he didn't.

I have high confidence that his administration was advised by subject matter experts to prepare for the coming medical emergency. Can I prove it? Obviously not at this juncture. People like Dr Facui are still battling the fire. I expect that "opportunities missed" information will start leaking out once this crisis is contained.

In the meantime, we can observe the lack of results and federal level leadership. When the nation is threatened, it is the role of our Federal government to provide a common defense.
 
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Ford, 3M, GE and the UAW to build respirators, ventilators and face shields for coronavirus fight – TechCrunch

Should we have done it earlier? Maybe. Was the president advised to do this earlier? Did h refuse to do it earlier? Remember, despite what he says he is NOT the expert on this. And according to what I've read he DOES listen to people on this.

He did fail in his communication effort in the beginning. I do agree with that. But I can't find anything that says, the CDC or the experts told he he needed to take particular actions and he didn't.

That CDC director was appointed by Trump and his lack of public health experience didn't go unnoticed at the time:

Trump’s Pick for CDC Director Is Experienced But Controversial

Given these challenges, others have concerns about Redfield’s experience. That may seem odd for someone with such deep medical credentials, but the CDC is a public-health agency, and improving the health of entire populations requires different skills and knowledge than caring for individual patients. CDC directors must be more than experienced physicians or scientists; they must run an agency of 15,000 employees with a budget of over 7 billion dollars, and ideally, they’d jump into the post already having strong relationships with public-health officials at the state and local level.

For that reason, most former directors have either run a city or state public-health department before, or have worked at the CDC itself. Julie Gerberding was acting deputy director at the National Center for Infectious Diseases before she became CDC director in 2002. Her successor Tom Frieden was commissioner of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene for seven years before he took the role. No director in the CDC’s history has come in with so little public-health experience as Redfield.
 
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I think you are right on this one. I do believe he was trying to be optimistic about stuff originally. He's changed his tune though. BUT he shouldn't have said stuff like "15 then 0". That was totally inaccurate.

he wasn't being optomistic, the guy can't speak without lying or exagerating, heck if I remember right isn't this the time where he claimed the doctors were amazed at his knowledge due to his medical smarts he geneticly got from his uncle?
 
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The United States and South Korea had their first recorded cases on 20 Jan 2020. Arguing that the United States was best prepared is laughable, but it is unsurprising as the campaign to promote a dear leader enters the next phase. We first saw denial and minimization, then we saw claims of doing an amazing job, and now we'll see an argument that the plan was executed flawlessly. These are all lies, but we know the campaign will continue, just post
The US imposed travel restrictions and South Korea didnt, even though Doctors asked them too on multiple occasions.
 
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The US imposed travel restrictions and South Korea didnt, even though Doctors asked them too on multiple occasions.

and yet, something like 80% of the infections in south korea are linked to a cult holding services when they were asked to keep people safe, soemthign I've seen people including the president advocate, going to church and such.
 
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Ok. Well I guess we can't blame this virus on the president because he's just the leader, why would he be responsive.

On the other hand we've heard for several years how Trump single handedly causes stockmarket success. So I'm guessing the current situation is AlSO not trumps fault. I mean when we get back on track then it's praise for Trump. But right now?
 
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Looking at the response, I would disagree. We should have plans activated back in January and started stockpiling then. We are running short of safety equipment that we are having to jury-rig and figure out how to make with 3D printers.

We may have been ready once, but we clearly dropped the ball.
The US was fortunate to have more lead time than many others.
 
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It appears America was best prepared for this pandemic than any one else in the world. We had processes and procedures in place to deal with this sort of thing. That's of course no thanks to any one person or president but a work of our government as a whole. So for those claiming we were I'll prepared and it was all of Trump's fault, we actually we're very prepared as of 2019. So as long as we followed our policies and procedures, which I'm sure we have it appears the leftists are barking up the wrong tree with the blame game.

That's not to say we can't be better. Ranking #1 in the world just means we were the best, it doesn't mean we have achieved everything we could. It appears we definitely need to make more changes in the way we do things and have those processes in place for the next one. I am confident we will.
US was ranked the best-prepared country for a pandemic in late 2019 by a Johns Hopkins study
It's disappointing when you don't read the original source

You were "ranked number one" but I'm sure that's not your fault so much as the fault of shoddy Breitbart reporting.

The study created 3 tiers which the us and I think 10 other countries are in.

Did you see this little potato?
.Critics were quick to point out the single area in which the study found the U.S. lagging behind the rest of the world: "health care access." According to the GHS Index, the U.S. ranks 175th out of the 195 countries surveyed in this area.
ranks 175????

That puts you in the company of Third world countries.
 
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The US imposed travel restrictions and South Korea didnt, even though Doctors asked them too on multiple occasions.
And yet South Korea has been far more successful in dealing with this. They've been more rigorous when it comes to making sure everyone is tested, done more testing than we have overall and far more when you take into account the different sizes of our population.
 
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And yet South Korea has been far more successful in dealing with this. They've been more rigorous when it comes to making sure everyone is tested, done more testing than we have overall and far more when you take into account the different sizes of our population.

Testing, tracking and isolating communities. You can't fight an enemy if you don't know where it is. To this day, our government is flying blind in many areas of the country.
 
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It appears America was best prepared for this pandemic than any one else in the world.

That's not to say we can't be better. Ranking #1 in the world just means we were the best, it doesn't mean we have achieved everything we could.

If USA was the best prepared then why is USA leading the world as having the most confirmed Covid-19 cases 21 days after having 100 cases?
Infection Trajectory: See Which Countries are Flattening Their COVID-19 Curve

It seems USA has not taken enough measures to contain the spread of the disease. Every other country that has reached 21 days after having 100 cases has done better than USA.


I think Singapore, Japan, Kuwait, Bahrain can take bragging rights. I think USA should just keep quiet.
 
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Where I do agree is that at some point Americans are going to realize there are a lot of stupid countrymen and women who really don't care about you at all.
Some won't care and make you sick; some will just say it's okay if you die if I need to make money.
 
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I don't trust China either. With any of this. The other point to make is that China is also a communist country with total full control of it's citizens. They will use the military to shut things and people down hard. We don't do that here. Can you imagine the uproar if the military marched in and started shutting everyone down at gun point?
You have hit the bull's eye with this post.

China's heavy handed approach is why the spread of the corona virus in China, has slowed. The USA has a hands off approach and the citizens have incredible freedom.
Which is why the corona virus will spread rapidly through the USA.
 
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