Probably because it's the Chinese virus

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Thanks to the media making an issue out of it.

people too stupid to realize the difference between reality and feigned offense are easily swayed.

That says about all that needs to be said about this. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Like I said in the other thread...even though I lean left on 75% of the issues out there, things like this are where the "far-left"/"woke-left" lose me.

...in essence, what they're suggesting is "we shouldn't be able to accurately label the source of the problem, if that accurate labeling may embolden some nut job to attack someone", am I getting that right?

I touched on this in the other thread, but these are the kinds of things people from the far-left are saying...

Whoopi Goldberg saying "So, we need to stop calling it or labeling it like it's they did it to us. Mother Nature really did this to us."

Hillary Clinton saying "The president is turning to racist rhetoric to distract from his failures to take the coronavirus seriously early on, make tests widely available, and adequately prepare the country for a period of crisis."


Left leaning publications claiming that "if you believe the Chinese are to blame for this virus, then you're gullible"

In fact, if you look at an article from the Daily Beast:
The World Health Organization named the disease COVID-19 to deter people from associating the virus with a location or group of people,


So, you have 4 concerning sentiments coming from that camp:
1) It's was just a random act of nature, nothing humans did caused it
2) The reason this is a problem is because of Trump
3) If you believe this virus has anything to do with China or Chinese culture, you're gullible
4) We need to deter people from associating the virus with a location or group of people


Basically, "if the truth may cause a nutjob to attack someone else, the answer is to simply lie about the problem or ignore the details"...that doesn't seem like a good solution either...especially if we want the international community to hold the Chinese responsible and demand regulatory measures after this whole thing is done.


How about this...we do both, we accurately identify the Chinese culture as the cause of this virus, while simultaneously condemning the nutjob bigots who are attacking Asian Americans? Sound like a plan?


Maybe I'm just cynical, but I feel like if China were a country full of white, conservative, Christians, and were engaging in the food practices that caused a pandemic, the far-left would have no problem accurately identifying the source of the problem or calling is a "Chinese Virus".
 
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Like I said in the other thread...even though I lean left on 75% of the issues out there, things like this are where the "far-left"/"woke-left" lose me.

...in essence, what they're suggesting is "we shouldn't be able to accurately label the source of the problem, if that accurate labeling may embolden some nut job to attack someone", am I getting that right?
Accurately label.....like Covid-19?
or SARS-CoV-2 which is the actual name of the virus?



There is no excuse for folks to be spitting on or yelling at Chinese Americans because the virus showed up in the Wohan province of China first. Absolutely none.
 
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Like I said in the other thread...even though I lean left on 75% of the issues out there, things like this are where the "far-left"/"woke-left" lose me.

...in essence, what they're suggesting is "we shouldn't be able to accurately label the source of the problem, if that accurate labeling may embolden some nut job to attack someone", am I getting that right?

I touched on this in the other thread, but these are the kinds of things people from the far-left are saying...

Whoopi Goldberg saying "So, we need to stop calling it or labeling it like it's they did it to us. Mother Nature really did this to us."

Hillary Clinton saying "The president is turning to racist rhetoric to distract from his failures to take the coronavirus seriously early on, make tests widely available, and adequately prepare the country for a period of crisis."


Left leaning publications claiming that "if you believe the Chinese are to blame for this virus, then you're gullible"

In fact, if you look at an article from the Daily Beast:
The World Health Organization named the disease COVID-19 to deter people from associating the virus with a location or group of people,


So, you have 4 concerning sentiments coming from that camp:
1) It's was just a random act of nature, nothing humans did caused it
2) The reason this is a problem is because of Trump
3) If you believe this virus has anything to do with China or Chinese culture, you're gullible
4) We need to deter people from associating the virus with a location or group of people


Basically, "if the truth may cause a nutjob to attack someone else, the answer is to simply lie about the problem or ignore the details"...that doesn't seem like a good solution either...especially if we want the international community to hold the Chinese responsible and demand regulatory measures after this whole thing is done.


How about this...we do both, we accurately identify the Chinese culture as the cause of this virus, while simultaneously condemning the nutjob bigots who are attacking Asian Americans? Sound like a plan?


Maybe I'm just cynical, but I feel like if China were a country full of white, conservative, Christians, and were engaging in the food practices that caused a pandemic, the far-left would have no problem accurately identifying the source of the problem or calling is a "Chinese Virus".

Well, so long as you're consistent I don't see a problem with it, such as always referring to German chloroquine and Yugoslavian azithromycin (as those are the countries where said material were discovered). Should apply to all products, obviously, in general ignore the name they actually have and use a generic with a regional descriptor.

So yeah, do that, you're being consistent. On the other hand, only do it with COVID19, and you look more like a racist xenophobe desperate to find someone to blame.
 
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How many Germans were yelled at or spit on during the German measles epidemic?

Kind of a silly question when you find out why it was called German measles. It was 3 German doctors in the late 1700s who figured out that it was different disease than the measles that was longer in duration (Rubeola). A German doctor in 1814 called it Rötheln. Many folks called it German measles because of the German name and because who figured it out, not because of where it came from or blaming the Germans for it. It was more about giving credit to who figured it out. It was all over the world and there were epidemics every 6 - 8 years . There is no known area of origination.


How many Asians during the Asian flu epidemic?

is it the name or society today?
Perhaps folks then didn't apply politics to it? Perhaps it (H2N2) was referred to Asian flu for simply the area it showed up in in large numbers without the accusations of misbehavior on the part of the Chinese.
Perhaps people considered in 1957 that flu epidemic occurred so strongly in Hong Kong because of the huge population and crowding?

There is no reason for mistreating Chinese Americans or those thought to be Chinese Americans because of a virus.
 
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How many Asians during the Asian flu epidemic?

is it the name or society today?
Laying aside the German Measles inaccuracy (which I've corrected you on before), the FBI has only tracked hate crimes since 1992. Nobody really knows if Asian minorities were discriminated against because of the 1957 pandemic. Also, given the rampant racism that still pervaded American society at that point, it would be difficult to distinguish racism due to the flu pandemic from the everyday racism they would have experienced.
 
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Kind of a silly question when you find out why it was called German measles. It was 3 German doctors in the late 1700s who figured out that it was different disease than the measles that was longer in duration (Rubeola). A German doctor in 1814 called it Rötheln. Many folks called it German measles because of the German name and because who figured it out, not because of where it came from or blaming the Germans for it. It was more about giving credit to who figured it out. It was all over the world and there were epidemics every 6 - 8 years . There is no known area of origination.



Perhaps folks then didn't apply politics to it? Perhaps it (H2N2) was referred to Asian flu for simply the area it showed up in in large numbers without the accusations of misbehavior on the part of the Chinese.
Perhaps people considered in 1957 that flu epidemic occurred so strongly in Hong Kong because of the huge population and crowding?

There is no reason for mistreating Chinese Americans or those thought to be Chinese Americans because of a virus.

Yes it was to honour the German drs not bc of where it originated. Ppl on here have been totally wrong about Spanish flu too, bc there's a whole history behind that & it's not just bc of it being in Spain, it was worldwide. Trump's grandpa died of it, he came home not feeling well, dead the next day of the Spanish flu. This was taught in my history class, I feel like it should have been taught more commonly bc for some reason ppl don't know about it.
 
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Yes it was to honour the German drs not bc of where it originated. Ppl on here have been totally wrong about Spanish flu too, bc there's a whole history behind that & it's not just bc of it being in Spain, it was worldwide. Trump's grandpa died of it, he came home not feeling well, dead the next day of the Spanish flu. This was taught in my history class, I feel like it should have been taught more commonly bc for some reason ppl don't know about it.

Also the small point about Spanish flu likely having originated in America not Spain. Maybe we should start talking about the American flu that killed 50-100m people instead.
 
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There is no reason for mistreating Chinese Americans or those thought to be Chinese Americans because of a virus.

agreed here. And it is the media and their feigned offense promoting such. they then find such things to promote their political partisanship.

Remember Jessis Smolett?
 
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Yes it was to honour the German drs not bc of where it originated. Ppl on here have been totally wrong about Spanish flu too, bc there's a whole history behind that & it's not just bc of it being in Spain, it was worldwide. Trump's grandpa died of it, he came home not feeling well, dead the next day of the Spanish flu. This was taught in my history class, I feel like it should have been taught more commonly bc for some reason ppl don't know about it.

One meaning is Spanish flu originated somewhere in N China, spread to W Europe with 140,000 laborers
recruited by British and French.

Spanish flu origin and facts-History.
 
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Thanks to the media making an issue out of it.

Contrast with the thread complaining about calls for the media not to publicize Donald's campaign replacement press conferences. Excuses for everything, even when they contradict the other excuses.
 
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Well, so long as you're consistent I don't see a problem with it, such as always referring to German chloroquine and Yugoslavian azithromycin (as those are the countries where said material were discovered). Should apply to all products, obviously, in general ignore the name they actually have and use a generic with a regional descriptor.

Well, given all the calls to rename the 2009 swine flu outbreak so people don't forget it came from America - wait, no one is calling for that? Hmm, weird.

Well, at least they're correctly calling mad cow disease British - no, no calls for that either? Interesting.

I wonder why?
 
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One meaning is Spanish flu originated somewhere in N China, spread to W Europe with 140,000 laborers
recruited by British and French.

Spanish flu origin and facts-History.

There's also a strong case that it started in Kansas and was spread to Europe via American GIs.
 
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Spanish flu is called Spanish just because Spain was the only country that informed about the pandemic without censorship, freely. Thats why most news and data about the flu was from Spain and so it was called "Spanish flu".
 
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There's also a strong case that it started in Kansas and was spread to Europe via American GIs.

One thing that is interesting is around 1917 or there abouts the world population was about 2 billion,

in spite of epidemics and wars,
today we are around 8 billion.
 
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