Paul is quoted saying this in 1 Cor 9:20. My question is which law is he referring to? Torah/Mosaic law or something else?
Paul is quoted saying this in 1 Cor 9:20. My question is which law is he referring to? Torah/Mosaic law or something else?
In this verse Paul did not say "He was not under the Law"
It's implied because he was seeking to convert those that were under the law of Moses. Paul was set free from that law and obeyed the law of Christ of the new covenant.
NIVThe word Law as used by Paul in the verse.
1 Cor. 9:20
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
LAW:
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νόμος
nomos
nom'-os
From a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.
In this verse Paul did not say "He was not under the Law"
We can determine what Paul meant by what he himself practiced. Paul observed the Sabbath which of course is of the Law:Paul is quoted saying this in 1 Cor 9:20. My question is which law is he referring to? Torah/Mosaic law or something else?
Paul shows us his mission strategy in 1 Cor 9 so his keeping sabbath in Acts might be missionally motivated, that is unpacked in this text... a question may be asked "Paul, why do you keep sabbath?" To which he replies "to the Jew I become Jew..."We can determine what Paul meant by what he himself practiced. Paul observed the Sabbath which of course is of the Law:
Acts 13:14 "on the Sabbath day they went into the synagogue and sat down"
Acts 13:44 "And the next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of God."
Acts 16:13 "And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled."
Acts 17:2 "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures."
Acts 18:4,11 "And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath." ... "And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them."
Paul observed the Feast days which are also of the Law:
Acts 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of the Unleavened Bread, and within five days we came to them at Troas, where we stayed seven days.
Acts 20:16 For Paul had decided to sail by Ephesus, so that it might not come upon him to spend time in Asia; for he was hastened, if it was possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.
He is referring to not being under the law in respect of having no righteousness of observing the law handed down at SaniaPaul is quoted saying this in 1 Cor 9:20. My question is which law is he referring to? Torah/Mosaic law or something else?
is the reverse true as well? If one does not obverse the law handed down from Sinai then is there also no negative impact with regards to their righteousness? The same text tells us "To those not having the law I became like one not having the law" Since this is your CF handle "not under law" I would think this would be something you have thought about. Paul's point is missionally motivated but he's still trying to be clear going out of his way in this parenthetical about not being under law or about being lawful in Christ.He is referring to not being under the law in respect of having no righteousness of observing the law handed down at Sania
Its hard isn't it. If we say failure to obey the law results in us not being righteous in God's sight, we must live under righteousness of obeying the law. That conflicts with Paul's message. But obviously Christians have no licence to sin. In verse21 Paul states he has become all things to all people in order to get them saved. I imagine he tells those who want to live under the law, believers obviously cannot go around blatantly disregarding God's laws/How God wants them to live. Then they will not ignore his preaching. And to those stressing they are not under law, he can tell them 'AMEN' believers have no righteousness of obeying the law. There is always it seems to me room, by not being over dogmatic to get people to listen to what you sayis the reverse true as well? If one does not obverse the law handed down from Sinai then is there also no negative impact with regards to their righteousness? The same text tells us "To those not having the law I became like one not having the law" Since this is your CF handle "not under law" I would think this would be something you have thought about. Paul's point is missionally motivated but he's still trying to be clear going out of his way in this parenthetical about not being under law or about being lawful in Christ.
This is the question of the OP. When Paul uses law (at least here) does he mean Torah as in the first 5 books of the bible? Paul clearly states 2 things, he is not under law and is also not outside of the law of God (lit. not "unlawful" or "lawless" to God) and when he uses the latter he defines it through being under the law of Christ (lit. lawful to Christ).Its hard isn't it. If we say failure to obey the law results in us not being righteous in God's sight, we must live under righteousness of obeying the law. That conflicts with Paul's message. But obviously Christians have no licence to sin. In verse21 Paul states he has become all things to all people in order to get them saved. I imagine he tells those who want to live under the law, believers obviously cannot go around blatantly disregarding God's laws/How God wants them to live. Then they will not ignore his preaching. And to those stressing they are not under law, he can tell them 'AMEN' believers have no righteousness of obeying the law. There is always it seems to me room, by not being over dogmatic to get people to listen to what you say
Paul's reference to not being under law refers to the law handed down at Sania. Not being under law refers to not being under righteousness of obeying that law. Paul refers to the moral part of that law as: The letter that kills/the ministry of death and condemnation(2Cor3:6-9 Ten Commandments) So he continually stresses the believers righteousness is faith in Christ, not being under(righteousness of obeying) the law.This is the question of the OP. When Paul uses law (at least here) does he mean Torah as in the first 5 books of the bible? Paul clearly states 2 things, he is not under law and is also not outside of the law of God (lit. not "unlawful" or "lawless" to God) and when he uses the latter he defines it through being under the law of Christ (lit. lawful to Christ).
If we are to take the entire missional strategy from v19-23 Paul mentions Jews, those under law, those not under law (lit. "unlawful" or "lawless"), and the weak. He repeats the same with each, in order to reach those identified groups he must become them so it becomes easily scalable. v21 can be applied to all that he is still lawful to Christ when with the Jews, when with those under the law, when with those outside of the law, when with the weak etc... He opens this whole strategy (v19) saying "I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible" and closes with a similar sentiment (v22) "I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some" then finally (v23) "I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings."
So Paul is not under the law (as he explicitly states) but is lawful to Christ at the same time. There certainly may be points of overlap here but Paul seems to go out of his way with these terms and using the language of the NIV it would seem that "under law" is different than "under Christ’s law"
That is a possible explanation however the germane question is, is it the likely explanation? Paul of course being a Jew followed the Law. Jesus also followed the Law. The question is did Paul also teach others to follow the Law as he did and as Jesus did?Paul shows us his mission strategy in 1 Cor 9 so his keeping sabbath in Acts might be missionally motivated, that is unpacked in this text... a question may be asked "Paul, why do you keep sabbath?" To which he replies "to the Jew I become Jew..."
It's not the thousands, it's Paul. He is missionally motivated (the thousands should be too but we don't know what they are thinking) and in Acts 21 "to a Jew he becomes a Jew..."That is a possible explanation however the germane question is, is it the likely explanation? Paul of course being a Jew followed the Law. Jesus also followed the Law. The question is did Paul also teach others to follow the Law as he did and as Jesus did?
When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. Acts 21:20
I doubt if all of these thousands of Jews were "missionally motivated" as was Paul. Paul demonstrated that he still abided by the Law when he took a Nazirite vow in v.26 to demonstrate that he was "living in obedience to the law" v.24. It does not reference missional motivatation. Lastly, v.25 showed what the gentile believers were to also do - which is part of the Law.
Paul is quoted saying this in 1 Cor 9:20. My question is which law is he referring to? Torah/Mosaic law or something else?
Its hard isn't it. If we say failure to obey the law results in us not being righteous in God's sight, we must live under righteousness of obeying the law. That conflicts with Paul's message. But obviously Christians have no licence to sin. In verse21 Paul states he has become all things to all people in order to get them saved. I imagine he tells those who want to live under the law, believers obviously cannot go around blatantly disregarding God's laws/How God wants them to live. Then they will not ignore his preaching. And to those stressing they are not under law, he can tell them 'AMEN' believers have no righteousness of obeying the law. There is always it seems to me room, by not being over dogmatic to get people to listen to what you say
You have immediately associated God's law/Christ's law with the law of Moses and used this to define his previous comments as a different law however the text doesn't connect the dots this way.In 1 Corinthians 9:21, Paul said in a parallel statement that he was not outside God's law, but under the law of Christ, so he equated the Law of Christ with the Mosaic Law, which means that verse 20 couldn't be referring to the Mosaic Law, but rather it is referring to Jewish law. For example, in Acts 10:28, Peter said that it was against their law for a Jew to visit or associate with Gentiles, which is not a law that is found anywhere in the Mosaic Law. Christ lived in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so it wouldn't make sense to think that the Law of Christ was something other than the Mosaic Law that he taught by word and by example. God is not in disagreement with himself about which laws we should follow, so the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses.
Being raised in church, I used to look to written commandments and strive to obey them. Whether this was the ten commandments or Jesus teaching. I would focus on them and greatly desire to obey them, but if I am honest, those commands in truth showed me how guilty I was of so often failing to obey them. It made me very miserable much of the time, due to my faliures.Righteousness is a character trait of God that is expressed by doing what is righteous and God's law is His instructions for how to express that character trait, not for how to attain it. When we have a character trait, then we will express it through our actions, so when God declares us to be righteous by grace through faith, He is also declaring us to be someone who expresses His righteousness through our actions in obedience to His instructions for how to do that found in His law. In other words, the reason that we have received the righteousness of God was not in order to hide it under a bushel, but in order to let it shine through our obedience. So the reason that we are to do what is righteous in obedience to God's law was never in order to result in us being righteous in God's sight, but rather we are to do that because we have been made righteous in God's sight.
The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin and that stand is God's law (1 John 3:4), so Paul would not have been talking about sinning in order to reach sinners because that would have completely undermined his message to them. We are either under God's law and are obligated to refrain from sin or are not under God's law, have no obligation to refrain from sin, and have no need for Jesus to have given himself to redeem us from all lawlessness. However, God is sovereign, so we are all under His law and are obligated to refrain from sin, even those who are even in a covenant relationship with God, such as when God judged the world with the Flood because of their wickedness. They didn't get to choose whether or not they wanted to be under God's law, and neither do we, but the choice that we do get to make is whether we are going to heed the Gospel message, repent, and obey.