Polygamy

Whats your view on Polygamy?

  • Polygamy is OK today(if legal in your country)

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  • Polygamy is NOT and NEVER was OK

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it's interesting that solomon was not condemned by God for having all his wives and concubines. rather, he was condemned for having non-Israelite women and for letting these women influence him into worshiping idols, something the LORD warned Israel about in Deuteronomy 7.
 
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Christianity is about devotion to God. That's why Paul even preferred for a Christian to be alone than to marry. How then it be acceptable to have more than one? And I think the spirit of the whole explanation in Ephesians 5 clearly shows that marriage is only between a man and a woman.
 
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Sounds to me "one man and one woman" says quite a lot about multiple marriages and/or concubines!
The verse is:
“He answered, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:4-5‬ ‭

Where does this address how many wives a man can have?
 
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Jesus said plainly that if anyone looks on a women in lust they have committed adultery with her in their hearts. There is nothing to indicate that the woman must be married for it to be considered adultery. The command against fornication is already in the 10 commandments.
When he says “a woman”, it’s in the context of what adultery is: a sexual relationship between a married woman and a man she is not married to. A woman has to be married for there to be adultery. Messiah doesn’t have to say “a married woman”, because adultery ALWAYS involves a married woman.

And that’s incorrect: fornication is not mentioned, it’s adultery that is spoken of in the 10 Commandments - Exodus 20:14

Paul distinguishes between fornicators and adulterers here:

1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers

and he distinguishes between the 2 here:

Galatians 5:9
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness


More examples of a married woman sleeping with a man she is not married to being the definition of adultery:

Jeremiah 3:9
And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

Jeremiah 29:23
Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours' wives

Ezekiel 16:32
But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!
 
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it's interesting that solomon was not condemned by God for having all his wives and concubines. rather, he was condemned for having non-Israelite women and for letting these women influence him into worshiping idols, something the LORD warned Israel about in Deuteronomy 7.
Exactly. Although, it was unnecessary for Solomon to have so many wives, the problem was marrying women who worshipped other gods, because Solomon followed them and worshipped them too.
 
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Exactly. Although, it was unnecessary for Solomon to have so many wives, the problem was marrying women who worshipped other gods, because Solomon followed them and worshipped them too.
The Bible stated Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). The Bible described Solomon as exceedingly wise (1 Kings 4:29). These two verses are a paradox or contradiction. If a man has 700 wives and many children, how can he adequately teach and visit each child? How could he keep at least some of his wives from divorcing him for neglect and abandonment? How much alimony and child support will he be liable for?

Ephesians 5:31 (WEB) “For this cause a man will leave his father and mother, and will be joined to his wife. The two will become one flesh." It does not permit threesomes as that is adultery and fornication.
 
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The Bible stated Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). The Bible described Solomon as exceedingly wise (1 Kings 4:29). These two verses are a paradox or contradiction. If a man has 700 wives and many children, how can he adequately teach and visit each child? How could he keep at least some of his wives from divorcing him for neglect and abandonment? How much alimony and child support will he be liable for?

Ephesians 5:31 (WEB) “For this cause a man will leave his father and mother, and will be joined to his wife. The two will become one flesh." It does not permit threesomes as that is adultery and fornication.
Yeah polygamy isnt threesomes. Ok lets look at this example:
“A man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, they will be one flesh”
John married Alexis. John leaves his parents and cleaves to Alexis they are one flesh.
Not a threesome but a separate thing
John marries Moriah
Moriah and Alexis are never married nor engaging in sexual activities with eachother.
They are each a marriage between one man and one woman but they are separate marriages
 
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For those who might support polygamy, do you support all polygamy, or only polygyny? Would a woman, in your view, be allowed to have multiple husbands?

What about completely mixed marriages--a web of married persons?

If you support polygyny only, what is your argument to support such a one-sided kind of arrangement? Why can a man have multiple wives, but a woman can't have multiple husbands?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Yeah polygamy isnt threesomes. Ok lets look at this example:
“A man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, they will be one flesh”
John married Alexis. John leaves his parents and cleaves to Alexis they are one flesh.
Not a threesome but a separate thing
John marries Moriah
Moriah and Alexis are never married nor engaging in sexual activities with eachother.
They are each a marriage between one man and one woman but they are separate marriages

Could Alexis or Moriah then go marry George? It would, after all, be a separate marriage--just as separate as the one John has with Alexis and Moriah certainly.

And I'd argue that if you don't agree with that, then it should be obvious why polygamy would be a problem.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Yeah polygamy isnt threesomes. Ok lets look at this example:
“A man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, they will be one flesh”
John married Alexis. John leaves his parents and cleaves to Alexis they are one flesh.
Not a threesome but a separate thing
John marries Moriah
Moriah and Alexis are never married nor engaging in sexual activities with eachother.
They are each a marriage between one man and one woman but they are separate marriages
Polygamy is having more than one spouse. Adultery is being married and having sex with someone or some people you are not married to. Fornication is sexual immorality, premarital sex, prostitution, etc. Homosexuality is error.

Polygamy is illegal in 50 states.
 
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Could Alexis or Moriah then go marry George? It would, after all, be a separate marriage--just as separate as the one John has with Alexis and Moriah certainly.

And I'd argue that if you don't agree with that, then it should be obvious why polygamy would be a problem.

-CryptoLutheran
We’ve never seen polygamy looked at this way in the Bible so im not sure theres any biblical support for it. Polygamy was mostly used to increase the descendant/work size of the mans family. I see support for man with multiple wives but none for wife with multiple husbands. Which is an interesting way to think about it, i’ll give you that
 
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For those who might support polygamy, do you support all polygamy, or only polygyny? Would a woman, in your view, be allowed to have multiple husbands?

What about completely mixed marriages--a web of married persons?

If you support polygyny only, what is your argument to support such a one-sided kind of arrangement? Why can a man have multiple wives, but a woman can't have multiple husbands?

I don't support polygamy of any kind, but note that polygyny has been permitted by many cultures around the world and throughout history. Few cultures have allowed polyandry, and those that have were very particular as who it was permitted to and under what circumstances.

I think the reason is obvious. A man can impregnate multiple women simultaneously. A woman cannot bear children for multiple men simultaneously. Polyandry creates a bottleneck in the propagation of future generations. Polygyny does not.
 
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For those who might support polygamy, do you support all polygamy, or only polygyny? Would a woman, in your view, be allowed to have multiple husbands?

What about completely mixed marriages--a web of married persons?

If you support polygyny only, what is your argument to support such a one-sided kind of arrangement? Why can a man have multiple wives, but a woman can't have multiple husbands?

-CryptoLutheran
It was God who forbid women to have multiple husbands - he permitted and approved of men having multiple wives. That’s how I view it - permissible for men, not permissible for women.
 
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We’ve never seen polygamy looked at this way in the Bible so im not sure theres any biblical support for it. Polygamy was mostly used to increase the descendant/work size of the mans family. I see support for man with multiple wives but none for wife with multiple husbands. Which is an interesting way to think about it, i’ll give you that

We don't see any biblical support for any kind of polygamy.

We see polygamy described in the Bible, not proscribed.

Description =/= proscription.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It was God who forbid women to have multiple husbands - he permitted and approved of men having multiple wives. That’s how I view it - permissible for men, not permissible for women.

That's about what I expected to get as a response.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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That's about what I expected to get as a response.

-CryptoLutheran
considering that’s the view laid out in scripture, did you really expect a different answer? Do you have trouble accepting this truth?
 
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We don't see any biblical support for any kind of polygamy.

We see polygamy described in the Bible, not proscribed.

Description =/= proscription.

-CryptoLutheran
God gave David multiple wives - how is that not “support for polygamy”?
 
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considering that’s the view laid out in scripture, did you really expect a different answer? Do you have trouble accepting this truth?

That's the description of bronze age cultural norms as found in Scripture.

Is your argument that the mere description of bronze age cultural norms constitutes a biblical proscription?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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God gave David multiple wives - how is that not “support for polygamy”?

2 Samuel 12:8 speaks of David receiving what was Saul's, his entire estate--including his wives. God chose David to be king succeeding Saul; the inheritance of the previous ruler's estate is part of that.

So, no, David inheriting Saul's wives is not support for polygamy. It is a description of polygamy in the ancient near east, not a proscription.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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