Was Peter a member of the Body of Christ.

[topher694]

What we believe and traditions always gets us into trouble. I was the same way.

We have to trust the written Word of God rather then our understanding.

Do you really believe this?

 

[rhern]

Do you really believe this?

What is the Gospel?

Matthew Mark Luke and John

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 90% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

==Because of His Shed Blood, salvation is offer to all races, All Gentiles.

==By Believing Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, you will be saved from the wrath of God.

...

 

[HARK!]

What is the Gospel?

Matthew Mark Luke and John

Those are actually four Gospels.

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 90% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

I don't have much regard for doctrine. The Premise for my belief is Genesis 1:1.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Some are. I don't like to make generalizations. YHWH works on a case by case basis.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

That sounds like a very abbreviated statement of faith.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

What does this have to do with the Jews?

Because of His Shed Blood, salvation is offer to all races, All Gentiles.

It was always YHWH's will that all be saved. Abraham wasn't a Jew. Many who were not the blood descendants of Abraham became Hebrews; when they joined Moses in Exodus.

By Believing Jesus is at the right hand of the Father you will be saved from the wrath of God.

Can you cite the Book Chapter and Verse for this?


It really doesn't seem to me that this post rephrased these questions:

Was Peter included in the Gospel of Grace.

Was Peter a member of the Body of Christ.

 

[Daniel9v9]

Though Peter and all the apostles did desert Jesus, it was both foretold that they would (Zechariah 13:7 Matthew 26:31), and they were restored to Him by God's grace. John makes a great point of Peter's denial and restoration in his Gospel account. So, we can know with certainty from John 21 that Peter is a member of the body of Christ, and it's also clear from Acts, Peter's epistles and the whole New Testament in general.

There's great comfort in all of this, in that even though the apostles sinned against God, they are still forgiven of their sins and embraced as children of God.

 

[com7fy8]

Yes, I understand that Peter is a brother in the body of Jesus. And he is a minister of grace > consider, by the way, 1 Peter 4:9-10 < all of us can minister God's grace.

He got things started, for the Gentiles at the house of Cornelius > Acts 10. So, the ministry to the Gentiles is not totally separate from Peter's ministry to Jews.

We know all Christians are biased towards assuming Peter no longer made any big mistakes. But did he or did he not?

Galatians 2:11-13

But my opinion is that the two letters of Peter are the work of a man who has learned from his errors, plus he is experiencing what he is inspired to write, except of course future items.

Galatians 2:9 King James Version
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Paul was given The Gospel of Grace but not to Peter.

This does not say the gospel of grace is committed only to Paul. Remember, by the way, that Paul is a Jew like Peter.

Grace includes how God changes a sinner to be adopted as a child of God, plus grace working in us changes us all to become like Jesus > Romans 8:29. Consider also how we all are perfected in God's love so "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17). This, by the way, is what John says.

And both Peter and Paul were filled with the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit shares God's own love with us who are His children >

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

God's love in us has the same result in all of us.

And in the Gospel of John we have what Jesus prayed for the disciples and all who have heard their word > John 17:22-26. This includes how our Father loves us as He has loved Jesus > Jesus Himself prayed this for His disciples who include Peter.

This is included in grace, claimed by the prayer of Jesus Himself, according to His faith.

The only distinction being made is Paul’s primary assignment was to the uncircumcised/Gentiles.

yes

Galatians 2:8-9 > I note how the apostles gave Paul the "right hand of fellowship" > this can mean they considered Paul to be one of them, therefore all of them being in the body of Jesus, plus meaning they and Paul are partners.

Peter continue preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom

Paul was given the gospel of Grace

Peter ministers grace >

“May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.” [2 Peter 1:2]

And, like I have offered, all of us in Jesus can minister God's own grace.

And, I consider, grace is God's favor > favor of adopting sinners to become children of God, plus God favors us by sharing His own love with us, "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5, with John 17:22-26), plus God favors how Jesus is by changing us to become like Jesus and to love like Jesus loves > 1 John 4:17.

Peter ministered the Holy Spirit who does this in us, plus Peter's letters minister this, as Paul does.

God's kingdom is God's realm of all God experiences, including how God loves and is about family sharing and caring in Jesus. And His grace shares this with us. So, the Gospel of the kingdom is the Gospel of grace.

 

[DamianWarS]

We have to trust the written Word of God rather then our understanding.

Did you try reading 1st and 2nd Peter?

1 Peter 1:1-2

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.​

2 Peter 1:1-2

Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.​

 

[HARK!]

Genesis 17 King James Version (KJV)


7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Galatians 2:9 King James Version
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

What do you suppose Paul meant by this?

 

[com7fy8]

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

What do you suppose Paul meant by this?

First, Paul was of the circumcision. He was a Jew. And he says "we all" "were by nature children of wrath, just as the others." (in Ephesians 2:3)

So, I suppose Paul means that both Jews and Gentiles have been "children of wrath". And Jesus died for all of us; the solution is the same, for all of us; all have been children of wrath, all need Jesus on the cross.

"Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ were baptized into His death?" (Romans 6:3)

Paul a Jew says to Gentiles that "we" have been baptized into Jesus, by being baptized into His death. So, Paul a Jew includes himself, as "we", with Gentiles, as ones who have been baptized into the death of Jesus.

So, it is the same Gospel which is to the circumcision and to the uncircumcision. Peter is specialized to the Jews; yet, Peter a Jew got the ministry of the Holy Spirit started to the Gentiles who were at the house of Cornelius > Acts 10.

Paul does not mean, then, that there are gospels which are different and/or separate for Jews and Gentiles. He just means the people getting the Gospel are different, reached by different people. But what different people are getting is the same Gospel. Jesus is the same for everyone. Jesus is the one way to God our Heavenly Father > John 14:6.

And God working in us is the same >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Colossians 3:15)

@rhern

"'And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

So, all in the body of Jesus are called to be personally ruled by God's own peace in our hearts. And Jesus guarantees, while talking to Peter >

"'Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.'" (John 14:27)

So, Peter is included in having this peace which we have "in one body".

Paul is clear that we have been grafted in with the Jews who believe, by the way > Romans 11:17. So, the question being answered, really, is if we Gentiles have been joined into the body of Jesus with Peter!

 

[HTacianas]

I appreciate your comment.

What we believe and traditions always gets us into trouble. I was the same way.

We have to trust the written Word of God rather then our understanding.


Galatians 2:9 King James Version
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Paul was given The Gospel of Grace but not to Peter.

it might help to read it as "perceived the grace that was given unto me also".

 

[ViaCrucis]

The OP appears to believe that there are two different gospels, one to the Jews about the kingdom, and one to the Gentiles about grace. It's an idea associated with some forms of Dispensationalism, because of a deep failure to understand what the kingdom Jesus was talking about was.

It wasn't an earthly, temporal kingdom (Luke 17:20, John 18:36), but the divine reign of God which has been established through Christ who is, even now, seated at the right hand of the Father having been given all power and dominion (Daniel 7:13-14, Matthew 28:18). The everlasting kingdom is now, in part, by the grace of God by which we have been born again and brought into the light of Christ (Colossians 1:13), and in the end when Christ returns and delivers all things to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24-28). It is not a kingdom of power, but of mercy and justice. For, indeed, the Apostle says God has "raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in heavenly places with Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:6) for ours is life in and with Christ, sharing in the victory of God over sin, death, hell, and the devil which Christ Himself has accomplished, for He is the One who declares "I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades." (Revelation 1:17-18)

This is the Gospel all the Apostles preached, the Gospel which St. Paul declares he is not ashamed of, for "it is the power of God to save all who believe, the Jew first and also the Greek. By it the justice of God is revealed from faith to faith, just as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith.'" (Romans 1:16-17). It's what St. Paul preached in the synagogues and in the market places, to both Jew and Gentile. The Gospel of Jesus Christ, and His kingdom, which is why we read in the Acts of the Apostles concerning St. Paul while he was in Rome waiting trial:

"He lived there two whole years at his own expense, and welcomed all who came to him, proclaiming the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ with all boldness and without hindrance." - Acts 28:30-31

There's only one Gospel, Christ's. It is the Gospel of God's kingdom, the Gospel of our salvation, the Gospel that "the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem." (Luke 24:47). And so we, by Him, have peace with God and life everlasting.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[topher694]

What we believe and traditions always gets us into trouble. I was the same way.

We have to trust the written Word of God rather then our understanding.

Do you really believe this?

What is the Gospel?

Matthew Mark Luke and John

A major part of Christians in the U.S. base there belief in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Their whole premise and doctrinal belief is in the 2nd chapter of Acts:

The Day of Pentecost.

I dare say 90% of American churches teach this, endlessly.

So are they Jews or members of the Body Of Christ?

Acts 3:25 says these are the Jews. ..

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Their statement of Faith is John 3:16.

Ephesian 2:
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

==Because of His Shed Blood, salvation is offer to all races, All Gentiles.

==By Believing Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, you will be saved from the wrath of God.

...

I'm going to take that as a big ol, NO. So tell me, why should we believe you if you don't even believe what you are saying yourself?

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Did Peter ask bizzare open ended questions?

Did Peter continually imply things that don't line up with scripture without backing them up?

NO, he did not. Peter's weakness seemed to be his fervency oddly enough. His fervency seems to have been dependent on his own strength rather than that found through faith in Christ and that strength is really Christ's strength...
Philippians 2:12-13:
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
We read of Peter's backsliding as an Apostle in Galatians again and that is sin, but Paul does not speak of Peter as an unrepentant sinner. All are still in the flesh and subject to sin and that sin does not make them irredeemable....there is repentance and forgiveness...
I John 1:8-10:
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

 

[topher694]

NO, he did not. Peter's weakness seemed to be his fervency oddly enough. His fervency seems to have been dependent on his own strength rather than that found through faith in Christ and that strength is really Christ's strength...
Philippians 2:12-13:
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
We read of Peter's backsliding as an Apostle in Galatians again and that is sin, but Paul does not speak of Peter as an unrepentant sinner. All are still in the flesh and subject to sin and that sin does not make them irredeemable....there is repentance and forgiveness...
I John 1:8-10:
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

Missed my point

 

[Randy777]

I appreciate your comment.

What we believe and traditions always gets us into trouble. I was the same way.

We have to trust the written Word of God rather then our understanding.


Galatians 2:9 King James Version
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Paul was given The Gospel of Grace but not to Peter.

Acts 15
Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. 10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”

 

[Kaon]

Was Peter included in the Gospel of Grace.

Was Peter a member of the Body of Christ.

Peter was the foundational stone of the Living Church - which are the vessels we inhabit and project as temples of the Most High (not an edifice).

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Missed my point

Sorry, my post should have been placed elsewhere!

 

[JacksBratt]

A very good question nobody bothers or too scared to ask.

Jesus first tested Peter about denying Him and Peter failed.

And then Jesus again tested Peter in John 21 of his love for Him. Whether Peter failed this again, is up to the readers of the Bible.....

We know all Christians are biased towards assuming Peter no longer made any big mistakes. But did he or did he not?

I cannot give the details of the events, and signs and prophecies (all in the Bible) confirming whether Peter made a fatal mistake or not for the notion violates the established doctrines of mainstream Christianity.

As a wild dog that is wounded. But can you patch its wounds to heal it? It could bite back for it only sees you as the enemy, never the rescuer.

What is a "fatal" or "big" mistake?

 

[JacksBratt]

Was Peter included in the Gospel of Grace.

Absolutely.

Was Peter a member of the Body of Christ.

Yes, as in anyone who is washed by the blood of our Savior....

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Peter continue preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom

Paul was given the gospel of Grace

Welcome! The Gospel is The Kingdom of God given by Grace.

 

[eleos1954]

Was Peter included in the Gospel of Grace.

Was Peter a member of the Body of Christ.

Grace is an undeserved, unworked favor from God to mankind. The word grace appears 159 times in the Bible. It is sometimes used to refer to people finding grace or favor in the eyes of God, particularly in the OT. But most of the time it is mentioned in God's grace to us through the gift of Christ.

The grace of God is His loving character towards mankind and His grace has been since the beginning (nothing new).

They all preached Christ/Messiah ... they (prophets & apostles) all preached/taught the grace of God and understood it very well. They all stumbled here and there (just like we do). They were learning, just like we are learning.