The Limits Of God

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This question has been teasing me for about 30 years:

Can he create a rock that is heavier than he able to lift?
 
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This question has been teasing me for about 30 years:

Can he create a rock that is heavier than he able to lift?

Dear Hark: The word "limited" is found exactly once in the Old and New Covenant. It is not our God who is limited, we are!

YOU have limited the Holy One of Israel.
 
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"It wasn’t so long ago that you were mired in that old stagnant life of sin. You let the world, which doesn’t know the first thing about living, tell you how to live. You filled your lungs with polluted unbelief, and then exhaled disobedience.

We all did it, all of us doing what we felt like doing, when we felt like doing it, all of us in the same boat.

It’s a wonder God didn’t lose his temper and do away with the whole lot of us. Instead, immense in mercy and with an incredible love, he embraced us.

He took our sin-dead lives and made us alive in Christ. He did all this on his own, with no help from us! Then he picked us up and set us down in highest heaven in company with Jesus, our Messiah." -MSG-
 
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"It wasn’t so long ago that you were mired in that old stagnant life of sin. You let the world, which doesn’t know the first thing about living, tell you how to live. You filled your lungs with polluted unbelief, and then exhaled disobedience.

We all did it, all of us doing what we felt like doing, when we felt like doing it, all of us in the same boat.

It’s a wonder God didn’t lose his temper and do away with the whole lot of us. Instead, immense in mercy and with an incredible love, he embraced us.

He took our sin-dead lives and made us alive in Christ. He did all this on his own, with no help from us! Then he picked us up and set us down in highest heaven in company with Jesus, our Messiah." -MSG-
Ephesians 2:1-7 ESV
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christby grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

NOTE: The English Standard Version seems to be a bit more "age"-friendly than other translations.
 
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Ephesians 2:1-7 ESV
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
NOTE: The English Standard Version seems to be a bit more "age"-friendly than other translations.
That was written by the apostle Paul to believers at Ephesus. Paul also wrote the following three passages
● 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
(9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
(10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
● Galatians 5:19-21
(19) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
(20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
(21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
● Ephesians 5:3-5
(3) But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
(4) Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
(5) For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
In three different epistles [books] Paul lists many people who do not have any inheritance in the kingdom of heaven. Please show a verse, 2 or more would be better, where Paul says “Oops I made a mistake, all these people will be reconciled even if they were sinful and unrighteous when they died."
 
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Nothing in koine=

Medan =conveying certain impossibilities.

Oudi ti=

More forceful expression than the simple ouden.
We read in scripture that God cannot lie or deny himself or change and he cannot do iniquity
 
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Ephesians 2:1-7 ESV
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
NOTE: The English Standard Version seems to be a bit more "age"-friendly than other translations.
Now let us look more closely at this proof text.Ephesians 2:1-7 ESV
And you [the redeemed @ Ephesus] were dead in the trespasses and sins
2 in which you [the redeemed] once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
3 among whom we [the redeemed] all once lived in the passions of our ["] flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. [but are now redeemed]
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, [the redeemed] 5 even when we [the redeemed] were dead in our ["] trespasses, made us ["] alive together with Christ—by grace you [redeemed] have been saved—
6 and raised us ["] up with him and seated us ["] with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us [the redeemed]in Christ Jesus.
Nothing in this passage supports UR.
 
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Nothing in koine=

Medan =conveying certain impossibilities.

Oudi ti=

More forceful expression than the simple ouden.

ouden = impossible

One thing god cannot do-- violate His own character!
 
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One thing god cannot do-- violate His own character!

Noli: Worry NOT regarding our glorious God violating one aspect of what He is in essence! He is LOVE/ Spirit / Light / At- one-ment, all flowing from Himself to bring every last thing Home to Himself in perfection.

Nothing in koine=

Medan = conveying certain impossibilities.

Oudi ti = More forceful expression than the simple ouden.

ouden = impossible

Our God IS the Source, Guide & Goal of ta pante
 
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Noli: Worry NOT regarding our glorious God violating one aspect of what He is in essence! He is LOVE/ Spirit / Light / At- one-ment, all flowing from Himself to bring every last thing Home to Himself in perfection.

Nothing in koine=

Medan = conveying certain impossibilities.

Oudi ti = More forceful expression than the simple ouden.

ouden = impossible

Our God IS the Source, Guide & Goal of ta pante

I worry not an iota! I just joyously know what God can and cannot do!

And I wish you were correct in that all will be saved! More than you could possibly know! But the Bible forbids that kind of errant thinking !
 
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And I wish you were correct in that all will be saved!

Noli: follow the bouncing ball.

The identical polus "made sinners" = the polus "made righteous" !

The Atonement

It is an Atonement made by Christ as the last ADAM. Not alone, then, does Christ sooner or later draw to Himself all men, but He cannot draw less than all men if He be a new and better ADAM.

Therefore, I repeat, the traditional creed, while in words teaching, in fact denies the Atonement of the Bible. It asserts an universal salvation - but it really means a salvation that does not save universally - one in which Christ tries to save all, and is defeated.

What is this but to dishonor the cross in its very essence: to deny that our Lord is truly the last ADAM, and to treat Him as one who, in the face of assembled creation, in the sight of men and angels,has challenged the powers of evil and has failed?

-Christ Triumphant-
 
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FineLinen said:
The identical polus "made sinners" = the polus "made righteous" !
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Paul used the word “all” 395 times. When he meant “all” he said “all.” Here are six verses where Paul used “the many” which clearly does not mean all. And six verses from other books which use “the many” which also clearly does not mean all.
"oi polloi" , "the many" NEVER means "all."

[1] Romans 12:5 So we, being many, [οι πολλοι] are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
[2]1 Corinthians 10:17 For we being [οι πολλοι] many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
[3]1 Corinthians 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many [των πολλων], that they may be saved.
[4]2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many [οι πολλοι] many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
[5]2 Corinthians 8:15 As it is written, He that had gathered [το πολυ] much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
[6]Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great [την πολλην] love wherewith he loved us,
[1]Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of [των πολλων] many shall wax cold.
[2]Mark 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people [ο πολυς] heard him gladly.
[3]Luke 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, [αι πολλαι] are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
[4]Acts of the apostles 26:24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much [τα πολλα] learning doth make thee mad.
[5]1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant [το πολυ] mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
[6]Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many [των πολλων] waters:
 
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"He thought of everything, provided for everything we could possibly need, letting us in on the plans he took such delight in making. He set it all out before us in Christ, a long-range plan in which everything would be brought together and summed up in him, everything in deepest heaven, everything on planet earth. It’s in Christ that we find out who we are and what we are living for. Long before we first heard of Christ and got our hopes up, he had his eye on us, had designs on us for glorious living, part of the overall purpose he is working out in everything and everyone."
 
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"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT" (Acts 17:30). God commands all men everywhere to repent and as God's messenger I command all men everywhere to repent. And thank God, they shall! The One who commands men to repent is the almighty Christ of God. Have you prayed for your loved ones and friends, and then despaired lest God should fail to reach them? Why, my dear friend, are you so sad? All power is given unto our Lord and Saviour in heaven and in earth. At His Word rainwater and dew become the grape-juice; tiny handfuls of grain fill autumn barns; storms die away into calm; fish are led through the path of the sea; rills are sent among the mountains; and stars are maintained in their courses, so that "not one fails." What God commands shall be carried out. Do you believe it?

Think of all the wrong and evil that was done to the Son of God during His trial and crucifixion. Things that many Churches would have us believe would separate men from God for all eternity. There was railing, ridicule, false accusations, mocking and blasphemies. There was defiant and utter rejection of Jesus as the Christ of God, as King and Redeemer. ALL MANKIND was gathered there to reject and refuse the Saviour of the world. ALL MANKIND killed the Prince of Life. "The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against His Christ. For of a truth against Your holy child Jesus, whom You have anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles (nations), and the people of Israel, were gathered together" (Acts 4:26-27). But what happened? In the midst of all the railing and ranting and cruelty, nine wonderful words are heard coming from the Christ. He said, "Father, forgive them. They know not what they do." Here was forgiveness to the uttermost! Here was forgiveness covering EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING! Here was the healing of the nations. Here was the uniting of the Father and all His creation. Here was the end of the struggle and peace was completely established between God and mankind.

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
 
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