"Flat Earth" or "Globe Earth"

[JacksBratt]

What season does a lunar eclipse mark?

Here is a better question..

A shadow of an object is always larger than the object itself.. Try it for yourself. The shadow created by an object can never be smaller than the object itself. It's impossible.

Yet, the shadow of the moon on the earth was about 70 miles wide.

So, I will sit and wait for your false diagrams and other invalid examples of a large large sun showing way larger than the moon, which is exactly the same size in our sky... but... go ahead.

 

[JacksBratt]

You repeat the same falsehood. The sun is never fully risen in a Selenelion eclipse.

They are no issue at all in the globe model and they are utterly impossible in the flat earth model.

Check it out... it is fully risen and the white coats "splain" away.. yada yada yada..

 

[NW82]

First i have to ask. Do you believe scripture interprets scripture, and that is the only way to determined the text of a verse who reading is not easily understood in the translation. And that outside information has no help in determining the reading of a verse.

I believe that, historically, man has messed up interpretation of biblical text. Taking what the bible says, given the originally etymology of the text, is in my opinion the best way. Take the text that states when Christ was pierced in his side and blood and water flowed. Until modern medicine, would anyone have realized that he had plural effusion? I doubt it. I'm sure there are those in the past that misunderstood that passage, as simple as it is today. Is it possible that earth is flat? Based on scripture, yes its possible, but then again its also possible that it is round. So what do we have yo go off of? Current available evidence. However I believe that, that evidence must be viewed objectively, which is where I think humans have the biggest problem...objectivity.

 

[Lost4words]

Here is a better question..

A shadow of an object is always larger than the object itself.. Try it for yourself. The shadow created by an object can never be smaller than the object itself. It's impossible.

Yet, the shadow of the moon on the earth was about 70 miles wide.

So, I will sit and wait for your false diagrams and other invalid examples of a large large sun showing way larger than the moon, which is exactly the same size in our sky... but... go ahead.

Why dont you ever answer the questions properly? You never do! You skirt around them throwing questions back!

Answer prodromos properly for goodness sake!

 

[JacksBratt]

Why dont you ever answer the questions properly? You never do! You skirt around them throwing questions back!

Answer prodromos properly for goodness sake!

OK....

prodromos said: ↑
"What season does a lunar eclipse mark?"

Whenever there is a full moon, a lunar eclipse can happen... No other time.

Whenever there is a new moon, a solar eclipse can happen... no other time.

Now.. How does this affect the FE/globe earth argument as both have models which have functioning moon phases with the sun.. and the eclipses are in accordance to those...

Further.. Check this before you are NOT lost for words and try to counter these facts:

Eclipse season - Wikipedia

"An eclipse season is the only time when the Sun (from the perspective of the Earth) is close enough to one of the Moon's nodes to allow an eclipse to occur. During the season, whenever there is a full moon a lunar eclipse will occur and whenever there is a new moon a solar eclipse will occur. If the Sun is close enough to a node, then a total eclipse will occur. Each season lasts from 31 to 37 days, and seasons recur about every 6 months. At least two (one solar and one lunar, in any order), and at most three eclipses (solar, lunar, then solar again, or vice versa), will occur during every eclipse season. This is because it is about 15 days (a fortnight) between full moon and new moon and vice versa. If there is an eclipse at the very beginning of the season, then there is enough time (30 days) for two more eclipses."

 

[prodromos]

Here is a better question..

A shadow of an object is always larger than the object itself.. Try it for yourself. The shadow created by an object can never be smaller than the object itself. It's impossible.

The penumbra shadow of the moon is indeed larger than the moon.

Yet, the shadow of the moon on the earth was about 70 miles wide.

With the diameter of the sun being so large, and the distance the moon is from the earth, it is lucky that the moon casts any umbra shadow on the earth during a solar eclipse. If the moon was just a little further away then it would not completely cover the sun and there would never be a total eclipse. I have done the calculations myself which involves nothing more than basic trigonometry

So, I will sit and wait for your false diagrams and other invalid examples of a large large sun showing way larger than the moon, which is exactly the same size in our sky... but... go ahead.

Sit a basketball on the ground a few feet away then hold a golf ball in front of your eyes so that it just blocks out the basketball. Move the golf ball further away and you can see the edges of the basketball. If the basket ball was a light source then if you can see the edge of the basketball you can see light, thus no umbra shadow where you can see light. It is so simple a child can understand, but you will no doubt take pride in your willful ignorance.

 

[prodromos]

OK....

prodromos said: ↑
"What season does a lunar eclipse mark?"

That isn't the question I asked you.
I asked you to please explain how ANY kind of lunar eclipse is possible with the flat earth model?

I have patiently answered all of your questions but you have not answered mine.

 

[prodromos]

The Bible first states that the moon is a created light and that: And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, He made the moon to mark the seasons.

So with that understood from the Bible, then what a person sees the moon doing is understood as part of its lighting functions that God has created the moon to do.
To mark signs of seasons.

Just revisiting this, how do you use the teaching of the Bible to describe how a light can cast a shadow?

 

[JacksBratt]

The penumbra shadow of the moon is indeed larger than the moon.

With the diameter of the sun being so large, and the distance the moon is from the earth, it is lucky that the moon casts any umbra shadow on the earth during a solar eclipse. If the moon was just a little further away then it would not completely cover the sun and there would never be a total eclipse. I have done the calculations myself which involves nothing more than basic trigonometry

Sit a basketball on the ground a few feet away then hold a golf ball in front of your eyes so that it just blocks out the basketball. Move the golf ball further away and you can see the edges of the basketball. If the basket ball was a light source then if you can see the edge of the basketball you can see light, thus no umbra shadow where you can see light. It is so simple a child can understand, but you will no doubt take pride in your willful ignorance.

I thought this was a great conversational post, as an explanation of your idea of light and shadows...

However... even though I was going to post some of my view and understanding of light sources and shadows... you ended with this:

"but you will no doubt take pride in your willful ignorance"

Your rudeness along with your arrogance are one thing.. The fact that you are supposedly a Christian, speaking with a fellow Christians... is embarrassing.

So, I will not continue.

 

[Lost4words]

OK....

prodromos said: ↑
"What season does a lunar eclipse mark?"

Whenever there is a full moon, a lunar eclipse can happen... No other time.

Whenever there is a new moon, a solar eclipse can happen... no other time.

Now.. How does this affect the FE/globe earth argument as both have models which have functioning moon phases with the sun.. and the eclipses are in accordance to those...

Further.. Check this before you are NOT lost for words and try to counter these facts:

Eclipse season - Wikipedia

"An eclipse season is the only time when the Sun (from the perspective of the Earth) is close enough to one of the Moon's nodes to allow an eclipse to occur. During the season, whenever there is a full moon a lunar eclipse will occur and whenever there is a new moon a solar eclipse will occur. If the Sun is close enough to a node, then a total eclipse will occur. Each season lasts from 31 to 37 days, and seasons recur about every 6 months. At least two (one solar and one lunar, in any order), and at most three eclipses (solar, lunar, then solar again, or vice versa), will occur during every eclipse season. This is because it is about 15 days (a fortnight) between full moon and new moon and vice versa. If there is an eclipse at the very beginning of the season, then there is enough time (30 days) for two more eclipses."

Not the question he asked though.

 

[prodromos]

I thought this was a great conversational post, as an explanation of your idea of light and shadows...

However... even though I was going to post some of my view and understanding of light sources and shadows... you ended with this:

"but you will no doubt take pride in your willful ignorance"

Your rudeness along with your arrogance are one thing.. The fact that you are supposedly a Christian, speaking with a fellow Christians... is embarrassing.

So, I will not continue.

Here is the map of his supposed trek...

Still, after all the jabber above...

But...wait for it... the famous explanation as to why the earth's shadow can be on the moon when the sun, the light source, is fully risen...

Ya... there is bending of something..

Doctor, heal thyself.

 

[d taylor]

I believe that, historically, man has messed up interpretation of biblical text. Taking what the bible says, given the originally etymology of the text, is in my opinion the best way. Take the text that states when Christ was pierced in his side and blood and water flowed. Until modern medicine, would anyone have realized that he had plural effusion? I doubt it. I'm sure there are those in the past that misunderstood that passage, as simple as it is today. Is it possible that earth is flat? Based on scripture, yes its possible, but then again its also possible that it is round. So what do we have yo go off of? Current available evidence. However I believe that, that evidence must be viewed objectively, which is where I think humans have the biggest problem...objectivity.

Job 26:7 two words are in play, hang and nothing.
In strongs hang is, 8518. talah and also in strongs nothing is 1099. belimah.

belimah is not used any where else in the Bible so it is this word that is hard to test the meaning of from the Bible.

But talah is use and in its use it is always to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact.
The Hebrew word talah means to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact, not by nothing
Examples: Genesis 40:19, Psalms 137:2,
Ezekiel 15:3

From Terra Firma: By David Wardlaw Scott
belimeh wrongly translated "nothing" is the crucial word. translators appear to have derived it from the noun blee, signifying consumption or desolation, and the pronoun meh, who which what, but the meaning "nothing" drawn from these words, seems to be very far fetched. Hebrew is a very ancient language, to all probability the most ancient of any, and this being the only place in the Bible where the word belimeh occurs, it is, of course, difficult to test the meaning. I have myself, however, not the slightest doubt, that Parkhurst is right in deriving the noun belimeh from the verb belem, to confine, restrain, or hold in, so used in
Psalm 32:9 Do not be like the horse or like the mule, Which have no understanding, Which must be harnessed(belem) with bit and bridle, Else they will not come near you.
and that belimeh simply means "fastenings," or "supports," and this interpretation exactly agrees with what God asked Job a little farther on in Job 38:6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone, But while I consider Parkhurst to be correct as to the rendering of the word belimeh, I believe him to be wrong as to the strange application of it which he makes.

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The Bible several times states the earth is set on foundations. Never is it stated in the Bible except in the wrongly translated Job 26:7 the earth hangs on nothing. That idea has been imported into the Bible from translators who want the Bible to in this one verse agree with science.

 

[prodromos]

Job 26:7 two words are in play, hang and nothing.
In strongs hang is, 8518. talah and also in strongs nothing is 1099. belimah.

belimah is not used any where else in the Bible so it is this word that is hard to test the meaning of from the Bible.

But talah is use and in its use it is always to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact.
The Hebrew word talah means to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact, not by nothing
Examples: Genesis 40:19, Psalms 137:2,
Ezekiel 15:3

From Terra Firma: By David Wardlaw Scott
belimeh wrongly translated "nothing" is the crucial word. translators appear to have derived it from the noun blee, signifying consumption or desolation, and the pronoun meh, who which what, but the meaning "nothing" drawn from these words, seems to be very far fetched. Hebrew is a very ancient language, to all probability the most ancient of any, and this being the only place in the Bible where the word belimeh occurs, it is, of course, difficult to test the meaning. I have myself, however, not the slightest doubt, that Parkhurst is right in deriving the noun belimeh from the verb belem, to confine, restrain, or hold in, so used in
Psalm 32:9 Do not be like the horse or like the mule, Which have no understanding, Which must be harnessed(belem) with bit and bridle, Else they will not come near you.
and that belimeh simply means "fastenings," or "supports," and this interpretation exactly agrees with what God asked Job a little farther on in Job 38:6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone, But while I consider Parkhurst to be correct as to the rendering of the word belimeh, I believe him to be wrong as to the strange application of it which he makes.

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The Bible several times states the earth is set on foundations. Never is it stated in the Bible except in the wrongly translated Job 26:7 the earth hangs on nothing. That idea has been imported into the Bible from translators who want the Bible to in this one verse agree with science.

How did the Jews translate it into the SEPTUAGINT?

ἐκτείνων βορέαν ἐπ᾿ οὐδέν, κρεμάζων γῆν ἐπὶ οὐδενός·​

It would seem the Jews disagree with the analysis you have given

 

[d taylor]

What season does a lunar eclipse mark?

The Bible never states it is the lunar eclipse that marks seasons. The Bible states it is the moon that that marks the seasons.

 

[prodromos]

The Bible never states it is the lunar eclipse that marks seasons. The Bible states it is the moon that that marks the seasons.

So my original question to you stands unanswered.

 

[d taylor]

How did the Jews translate it into the SEPTUAGINT?

ἐκτείνων βορέαν ἐπ᾿ οὐδέν, κρεμάζων γῆν ἐπὶ οὐδενός·​

It would seem the Jews disagree with the analysis you have given

The Jews also have added to Genesis 4:1
I have acquired a man from the Lord

When the original Hebrew states.
And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man:Jehovah.”

 

[d taylor]

So my original question to you stands unanswered.

Unlike you i admit i do not know everything about Gods creation, but at least i do not claim to have answers based on lies from science.

 

[prodromos]

The Jews also have added to Genesis 4:1
I have acquired a man from the Lord

When the original Hebrew states.
And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man:Jehovah.”

We don't have the original Hebrew.

 

[prodromos]

Unlike you i admit i do not know everything about Gods creation, but at least i do not claim to have answers based on lies from science.

They are not lies however. They are the results of observations made with the simplest of instruments. Using a water level to see that the horizon is below eye level proves the earth is curved. The movement of a large pendulum over time proves the earth is rotating. With a watch, a pole, a compass and a tape measure, you can measure the length and direction of the pole's noon shadow at different locations, from which you can calculate the diameter of the earth. They are not lies, they are simple observations.

 

[d taylor]

We don't have the original Hebrew.

Not the actual original writing of Moses.

But it is known how this verse was written by Moses and acquired a man from the Lord is not correct.it has been added.

וְהָאָדָם, יָדַע אֶת-חַוָּה אִשְׁתּוֹ; וַתַּהַר, וַתֵּלֶד
אֶת-קַיִן, וַתֹּאמֶר, קָנִיתִי אִישׁ אֶת-יְהוָה.