Is it OK for Jesus to cause a Bible to drip oil?

Do you have a problem with Jesus causing a Bible to drip oil?

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  • Yes

    Votes: 11 35.5%
  • I think that Jesus can do whatever he chooses to do anywhere He pleases!

    Votes: 16 51.6%
  • Why would Jesus do such an awesome miracle in the USA???????

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DamianWarS

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It should be placed under lock and key where no one especially those involved in it at the moment, and see what happens then.
I don't care about that, but from what I can see it has it's own roadshow. to me, it seems like it has been monetized and I question not it's authenticity but who is profiting from it the most. Why is a miracle like this being shown through a bible? why is there a shape of a heart over the map of Israel... this plays off of the stereotypical charismatic evangelical mindset. I would rather see a vodka bottle in a homeless man's hand overflow with oil then this type of show.

I am personally aware of a similar example that I will share through the individual's words, this man was a Muslim.

One night the only food my wife and I had was a small portion of macaroni. My wife prepared it very nicely. Then one of her friends knocked on the door. I told myself, The macaroni is not sufficient for even the two of us, so how will it be enough for three of us? But because we have no other custom, we opened the door, and she came in to eat with us.

While we were eating, the macaroni started to multiply; it became full in the bowl. I suspected that something was wrong with my eyes, so I started rubbing them. I thought maybe my wife hid some macaroni under the small table, so I checked, but there was nothing. My wife and I looked at each other, but because the guest was there we said nothing.

Afterward I lay down on the bed, and as I slept, Isa came to me and asked me, "Do you know who multiplied the macaroni?" I said, "I don't know." He said, "I am Isa al Masih [Jesus, the Messiah]. If you follow me, not only the macaroni but your life will be multiplied.”

As comical as it may seem this was a miracle of multiplying Macaroni, yet the man did not profit from it except of course maybe a full belly. What this miracle did was reveal Christ to him and start him on a journey that would last 3 years before he was baptized as a believer. He now leads thousands to Christ through insider movements but the miracle was only a catalyst to his own journey and it did not continue to multiply that he would continue to profit from it. Because miracles are not sustainable, they have a period of effectiveness but they themselves do not transform people spiritually they only reveal to people who the giver of the miracle is so that he may be glorified.

No doubt people healed with a bunch of ailments may give glory to God, may have transformed lives beyond the physical but is the impact this is having sustainable for spiritual transformation? an oily bible is nothing, meaningless without pointing to Christ but to me, the road ends at the bible itself, not any bible, but this bible. I want to touch it, hold it, kiss it, pray with it resting on me and these urges seem to promote only counter-gospel values and dip into pagan values. Where is Christ? Where is restoration beyond that which the oil from this bible gives?
 
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Elisha made an ax head float so it could be returned, but people see stuff like this and instantly imply something evil about it. If it isn’t a hoax (I really hope it isn’t) then how exactly is it leading people astray?
Astray...maybe not. But what this nonsense does is lead non-believers into broad brushing all Christians as naive and gullible.
 
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I am not picking on you with this, it's a teaching moment. If you haven't been there, and seen what is going on yourself, and have judged the matter with only evidence supplied by others, then if you're wrong about them, you are as guilty before the Lord as they would be if deceivers.

All right, Ken. Explain to us how this alleged phenomenon is known by you personally to be a miracle of God rather than something else.
 
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Somebody needs to get that oil to Pastor Nick Vujicic



That is explained after the one hour mark.......
in this video:


But Nick doesn't have to be the first case of this happening! It could be a cousin or friend of yours.
 
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Have you heard of a Pastor Johnny and a Pastor Jerry who have something kind of interesting going on with oil from their Bible?

If I remember correctly that notable miracle, (if it is true and I personally do believe that it is), is happening in Dalton ,Georgia????

Matthew 24:24 King James Version (KJV)

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
 
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The woman in this video says she stayed there for hours and saw the oil increase in the bucket.



Susanna Crane8 months ago (edited)
I have a vial of oil and have been sharing it and drove 7 hours to a church where the oil was being shared. I feel strongly in my heart that the prayer of faith is what heals and it is not all about the oil.. although the oil is a miracle from GOD!! I have seen miracles as a result of using this oil. The biggest ones of course is increased faith or planting a seed of faith. God wants to stir things up!! I just shared this with a women's bible study group. I knew I had been using the oil and when I last looked at it, about a quarter of it was gone. So, one of the women wanted to see it and this split second thought came by and I thought well, I might as well give it all away.. knowing my oil was being depleted by my sharing it. Can you believe.. I went into my purse and I brought the vial of oil out.. it was filled to the TOP!!!!!! I was like NO WAY!!! I told the group what happened.. I could see on some of their faces some who did not believe and some who did believe.. I just felt it was planting a seed. God is a miracle maker!! :)!!!
 
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All right, Ken. Explain to us how this alleged phenomenon is known by you personally to be a miracle of God rather than something else.
I can't, nor can I provide evidence to prove it false...which is exactly why I haven't taken a position. I can't imagine why God would do this type of thing... but until I know it is false, I won't say anything. And I was merely warning others to take that same course. Otherwise, we risk bearing false witness.
 
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I don’t believe that simply because it is not aligned with Scripture about the very God we learn about. Remember the woman Elijah went to stay with and her son? Remember what God did for that woman who had nothing and surrounded by debt?
:yellowheart:
 
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Have you heard of a Pastor Johnny and a Pastor Jerry who have something kind of interesting going on with oil from their Bible?

What is the point? I think when Jesus does a miracle, there is some good reason and purpose for it. Messing Bible with oil doesn’t seem to be good or useful and therefore I don’t think it is from Jesus or God.
 
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Sorry, but what do Pastor Johnny and a Pastor Jerry have to do with Kathryn Khulman and Smith Wigglesworth?
The difference would be in the existence of medical records to show that the actual healings were genuine.
 
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Either you did not see the following video.......
or you think that somebody is lying......
it is one or the other.

Pastor Johnny and Pastor Jerry were told to not advertise the oil.....
to not market the oil......
to just give it away.

One of the people that they gave a vial to had it analyzed and the one doing the analysis said that it was similar to a mineral oil but....... it was not any manufactured oil that they knew of.

So your idea of Pastor Johnny and Pastor Jerry sneaking out to a special supplier of oil will not work assuming that the analysis of the oil was correct.

If Pastor Johnny and Pastor Jerry were buying seventeen gallons of some type of mineral oil daily in Dalton Georgia or near by....... somebody would tell on them..... .So your theory is very flawed.

There's a whole history of apparitions of Mary, weeping statues, stigmata, etc and so forth. This one is no different.
 
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I can't, nor can I provide evidence to prove it false...which is exactly why I haven't taken a position. I can't imagine why God would do this type of thing... but until I know it is false, I won't say anything. And I was merely warning others to take that same course. Otherwise, we risk bearing false witness.


If we, the people of God, don't speak out against the things of Satan then who will?

It's to God's people to protect those who don't know better from being decieved.
 
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Thank you for replying but I've researched this quite a bit already and I am convinced that this is real. Pastor Johnny and Pastor Jerry recently asked their friend Dr. Kevin Zadai what to do........... because they are up to seventeen gallons daily!

That's enough for a whole lot of oil changes in their vehicle!
 
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What is the point? I think when Jesus does a miracle, there is some good reason and purpose for it. Messing Bible with oil doesn’t seem to be good or useful and therefore I don’t think it is from Jesus or God.

My guess is that this is an opening gambit by Jesus to bring in the one billion soul harvest before the end that was shown to many.

The Great Tsunami | prod.morningstarministries.org

We will see events like hundreds of thousands of people gathering spontaneously for prayer and worship, becoming the biggest news stories of the day. News teams will be following apostolic teams and evangelists like they do politicians and business leaders now. Much more is happening now than most are aware of, or that is making the news, but when the Lord "suddenly comes into His temple," it will be the news, and the whole world will be aware of it.

There will be individual newscasts from secular networks that will cause more to come to Christ than Christian networks have in their entire existence. This is not to negate what has been accomplished by Christian networks but rather to stress the impact that this revival will have. We will go through a period when the news of the great things God is doing will crowd out just about all other news around the world.

Matthew 22
verse 9

‘Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’

“So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.
 
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It's not scriptural and it does not one thing to promote the gospel. Oil coming out of a bible is not proof of anything..
What is it supposed to teach?

I'm starting to read and listen to the Bible more!



2 Kings 4

Now there cried a certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophets unto Elisha, saying, Thy servant my husband is dead; and thou knowest that thy servant did fear Jehovah: and the creditor is come to take unto him my two children to be bondmen.

2 And Elisha said unto her, What shall I do for thee? tell me; what hast thou in the house? And she said, Thy handmaid hath not anything in the house, save a pot of oil.

3 Then he said, Go, borrow thee vessels abroad of all thy neighbors, even empty vessels; borrow not a few.

4 And thou shalt go in, and shut the door upon thee and upon thy sons, and pour out into all those vessels; and thou shalt set aside that which is full.

5 So she went from him, and shut the door upon her and upon her sons; they brought [the vessels] to her, and she poured out.

6 And it came to pass, when the vessels were full, that she said unto her son, Bring me yet a vessel. And he said unto her, There is not a vessel more. And the oil stayed.

7 Then she came and told the man of God. And he said, Go, sell the oil, and pay thy debt, and live thou and thy sons of the rest.
I don’t believe that simply because it is not aligned with Scripture about the very God we learn about. Remember the woman Elijah went to stay with and her son? Remember what God did for that woman who had nothing and surrounded by debt?
:yellowheart:

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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The difference would be in the existence of medical records to show that the actual healings were genuine.

Either you are horribly confused or am because your posts are not making a lick of sense lol. I was saying this Bible dripping with oil is a lying sign and wonder, but you came back and said no it's real and then when I asked for evidence you mentioned Kathryn Khulman and Smith Wigglesworth. Then I asked you what connection they have to Pastor Johnny and a Pastor Jerry.

Since in the post directly below that you say
There's a whole history of apparitions of Mary, weeping statues, stigmata, etc and so forth. This one is no different.

I am pretty sure we are on the same page! I don't know what you thought I was referring to when I said this looks like a lying sign and wonder but I was referring to the original post!
 
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