How close was the vote to acquit Trump?

[TLK Valentine]

As an aside, so does having foreign business interests and mountains of debt. But hey:

In all fairness, none of Donald's family were able to get security clearances normally -- as President, he had to pull strings for all of them that work in the White House.

Ironic, considering that the biggest walking security breach is Donald himself.

 

[iluvatar5150]

In all fairness, none of Donald's family were able to get security clearances normally -- as President, he had to pull strings for all of them that work in the White House.

I don't even think the phrase "in all fairness" applies here - in fact, it just reinforces my point. Yes, Bill Clinton's actions would've raised eyebrows with the clearance people, but that pales in comparison to what the Trumps and Kushners had going on.

 

[jayem]

Let's be honest: The purpose of this spectacle was not to remove Trump from office. The Democrats knew the Constitutional requirement to do that is unattainable. Their goal was to tarnish Donald Trump's legacy. And to torment him. Childish as it may be, they succeeded. History will forever record that Trump was impeached. And he admitted that he went through hell. Link. But he was hired by the voters, and he should be removed by them.

I lived through Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter. But Donald Trump is unquestionably the worst President of my lifetime. And it's not as much his politics as his personality. Anyone thinking s(he) can be POTUS has to have an exaggerated sense of self. But Donald Trump elevates narcisssim to cosmic proportions. To anyone who's worked in mental health, or is familiar with the DSM-5, it's as obvious as the sun in the sky that Donald Trump is the poster boy for a pathologically narcissistic personality. His chief concerns are power, adulation, and self-aggrandizement. Anyone with that degree of psychological dysfunction is unfit to be President. I hope that this Nov. 3, the voters--at least in a few key swing states--will have the good sense to realize this.

 

[Pommer]

Let's be honest: The purpose of this spectacle was not to remove Trump from office. The Democrats knew the Constitutional requirement to do that is unattainable. Their goal was to tarnish Donald Trump's legacy. And to torment him. Childish as it may be, they succeeded. History will forever record that Trump was impeached. And he admitted that he went through hell. Link. But he was hired by the voters, and he should be removed by them.

I lived through Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter. But Donald Trump is unquestionably the worst President of my lifetime. And it's not as much his politics as his personality. Anyone thinking s(he) can be POTUS has to have an exaggerated sense of self. But Donald Trump elevates narcisssim to cosmic proportions. To anyone who's worked in mental health, or is familiar with the DSM-5, it's as obvious as the sun in the sky that Donald Trump is the poster boy for a pathologically narcissistic personality. His chief concerns are power, adulation, and self-aggrandizement. Anyone with that degree of psychological dysfunction is unfit to be President. I hope that this Nov. 3, the voters--at least in a few key swing states--will have the good sense to realize this.

The hope/fear is that the Institutions of our Government are robust/failing.
If you’re hopeful our country can withstand the assaults of Trump against various political norms, you can count on the good people who love this country to continue to “do the right thing”.
If you’re a bit more pessimistic you’ll rail against “the deep state” and help to burn it all down, to get a better deal, (or something).

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Now again, tell me about the new witnesses used in Clinton's Senate trial and how my information was a half-truth, misleading, misinformed, or a lie.

Going back to your original statement:
1. You were incorrect in saying that they had testified during the House portion of impeachment. Their grand jury testimony was part of the report that Starr delivered to Congress, but they were never questioned by the House in connection to impeachment.

2. While they were technically "recalled witnesses" since they had testified before the grand jury, again, they had not testified in connection to the impeachment trial. The grand jury was convened to investigate the Whitewater scandal, not as an impeachment inquiry.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Let's be honest: The purpose of this spectacle was not to remove Trump from office. The Democrats knew the Constitutional requirement to do that is unattainable. Their goal was to tarnish Donald Trump's legacy. And to torment him. Childish as it may be, they succeeded. History will forever record that Trump was impeached. And he admitted that he went through hell. Link. But he was hired by the voters, and he should be removed by them.

I disagree... The Dems had to know that the GOP in the Senate was never, under any circumstances, going to act against Donald no matter what he did (with one honorable exception: Romney).

They are his sycophants, representing his interests more than America's... and now they've been exposed as such. Let's see how that plays out in November.

I lived through Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter. But Donald Trump is unquestionably the worst President of my lifetime. And it's not as much his politics as his personality. Anyone thinking s(he) can be POTUS has to have an exaggerated sense of self. But Donald Trump elevates narcisssim to cosmic proportions. To anyone who's worked in mental health, or is familiar with the DSM-5, it's as obvious as the sun in the sky that Donald Trump is the poster boy for a pathologically narcissistic personality. His chief concerns are power, adulation, and self-aggrandizement. Anyone with that degree of psychological dysfunction is unfit to be President. I hope that this Nov. 3, the voters--at least in a few key swing states--will have the good sense to realize this.

Not a chance -- Donald's narcissism is what the people love about him. He "tells it like it is," and how it is is how he's great and everyone who disagrees is scum.

But the message that works for him might not work so well for his Congressional enablers.

 

[KCfromNC]

This isn't true. Witnesses called during the Senate portion...

Remind me, what were the names of the witnesses who testified during this most recent Senate impeachment trial?

Oh, that's right, there were none. So yeah, what I said was actually true after all. Go figure.

 

[Albion]

I lived through Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter...it's as obvious as the sun in the sky that Donald Trump is the poster boy for a pathologically narcissistic personality. His chief concerns are power, adulation, and self-aggrandizement. Anyone with that degree of psychological dysfunction is unfit to be President.

You weren't around during the Obama years, I take it.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

You weren't around during the Obama years, I take it.

No contest. Trump is #1 when it comes to loving himself.

 

[stevil]

"it's as obvious as the sun in the sky that Donald Trump is the poster boy for a pathologically narcissistic personality. His chief concerns are power, adulation, and self-aggrandizement. Anyone with that degree of psychological dysfunction is unfit to be President."

You weren't around during the Obama years, I take it.

Let's take a comparative look

 

[iluvatar5150]

You weren't around during the Obama years, I take it.

I've been watching you make unfounded complaints/charges against Obama for years - I even recall one (since-deleted) instance where you claimed that his private life was as lascivious as Trump's. This is no different. Like Trump or not, like Obama or not, one would have to be dishonest, blind, or just entirely clueless to ascribe the same degree of narcissism to the two men.

 

[mark46]

In the absence of treason, bribery and high crimes or misdemeanors. I can't see how anyone could vote to remove a President. As you say though, they are not above partisan politics.

Did you take that position when it was Nixon? when it was Clinton?

 

[mark46]

You weren't around during the Obama years, I take it.

I really hope that the voters look at this as you seem to: a referendum between Obama and Trump.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Did you take that position when it was Nixon? when it was Clinton?

Yes. I did. Nixon was not impeached but obstruction of justice is an actual crime and most people would consider it high. Clinton was accused of perjury, an actual crime as well and one that strikes at the heart of the American system of justice. If the head of enforcement for the US government commits perjury and gets away with it we either have a two tiered justice system or a system in which there is no deterrent to committing perjury and no testimony is worth listening to which means enforcing the law and delivering justice to those harmed is impossible. History shows that the former is definitely the case.

 

[blackribbon]

Remind me, what were the names of the witnesses who testified during this most recent Senate impeachment trial?

Oh, that's right, there were none. So yeah, what I said was actually true after all. Go figure.

Senate decided that they were satisfied using the testimonies provided by the House. They didn't need to hear any witnesses to clarify the charges as brought by the House.

 

[blackribbon]

"it's as obvious as the sun in the sky that Donald Trump is the poster boy for a pathologically narcissistic personality. His chief concerns are power, adulation, and self-aggrandizement. Anyone with that degree of psychological dysfunction is unfit to be President."

Many top leaders have narcissistic traits. It can mean they are annoying but it doesn't mean they can't run for office. Hillary Clinton was also just as narcissistic. She still can't believe that she wasn't voted in as President and it can't possibly have anything to do with her or her policies. However, I believe she is also evil at heart...but that is JMO, and I know it. She also has never done anything in her life outside of politics whereas Trump actually is good at business, and came to politics as an after thought. I like not having a politician in the White House. That is how the founding fathers intended it to be. Same with Congress which is a reason to put term limitations to that branch of the government. More of my opinions. (They can't be wrong because an opinion is just that...an opinion.)

 

[mark46]

There is really no point arguing the facts surrounding Trump's impeachment and trial. This was simply a partisan issue: Democrats on one side, Republicans on the other. Let's be clear. Democrats did NOT need witnesses to make up their minds on how to vote. Republicans could have seen 100 witnesses and voted the same. This was a partisan issue in the House and in the Senate.

This could only have avoided if a significant number of Republicans had supported impeachment in the House. This could only have been accomplished (if possible at all) with lots more witnesses in the House, which would have taken court orders.

Pelosi had counseled that Trump should NOT be impeached unless there was significant bipartisan support. She eventually gave in and played her part in the sham. Make no mistake. Trump was clearly guilty of crimes for which impeachment and removal was the penalty. But that was IRRELEVANT unless some Republican House members agreed. Also, Democrats made the fatal flaw of taking a case to trial when they knew there was no chance of conviction.

 

[Albion]

I really hope that the voters look at this as you seem to: a referendum between Obama and Trump.

Not sure what you mean there. What's "this" refer to? Anyway, there's little to argue over. Obama was a supreme egotist, certainly not one to be overlooked when running down the list of presidents since Nixon. And in many ways, his manner and actions, although more polished than the current resident of the White House to be sure, was much more in line with what our colleague described.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There is really no point arguing the facts surrounding Trump's impeachment and trial. This was simply a partisan issue: Democrats on one side, Republicans on the other. Let's be clear. Democrats did NOT need witnesses to make up their minds on how to vote. Republicans could have seen 100 witnesses and voted the same. This was a partisan issue in the House and in the Senate.

Except for one X-factor: Romney.

 

[whatbogsends]

I've been watching you make unfounded complaints/charges against Obama for years - I even recall one (since-deleted) instance where you claimed that his private life was as lascivious as Trump's. This is no different. Like Trump or not, like Obama or not, one would have to be dishonest, blind, or just entirely clueless to ascribe the same degree of narcissism to the two men.

He never fails to fail to support his absurd claims, yet he continues making them every chance he gets.